I've just listened to "If the Kids are United" by Sham 69 five times in a row.....

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...and at a very high volume. Clearly, I am in need of help.

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Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Free Jimmy!

briania (briania), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I've done the same with Borstal Breakout...not that long ago either!

'Everyfing I done, I done for YOOOOOOUUUUUUU"

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Play that 'long' version you got free with the "Hersham Boys" album. Both sides of a 12" single. It lasts for around 2 weeks!

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I did this with "Enola Gay" the other day. I dunno if it was 5 times or six - the strange thing is that afterwards I couldn't remember how it went.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

So, like, were Sham 69 any good?

(Yesterday I saw a teenage Dutch punk with an 'Oi!' patch on his jacket. Baffled.)

stevo (stevo), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I have done this with Sham 69 before too. They are addictive. I do this with The Business too. I could listen to "Loud,Proud,& Punk" all day long.

ALEX!! You do own a Business singles comp, don't you!!?? "Harry May" & "Loud,Proud,& Punk" are two of the most gloriously addictive stompalongs known to man. They would both make my list of top punk singles easy. If I had a top punk singles list.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Sham 69 were great, Stevo.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Sham 69 were gloriously stupid, but had several `choons to their name that completely delivered the goods, notably this one and -- as the good Dr.C cited -- "Borstal Breakout" (to say nothing of "Hersham Boys", "Tell Us the Troof"." "What Have We Got?" and, of course, "Angels Wiv Durty Facez"....idiotic phonetic spelling there is my touch, not theirs).

The Business? Yeah, they were alright, but couldn't touch Sham. For some reason, I also lump the Stiff Little Fingers in with Sham 69 (despite them being entirely Irish and very anti-Skinhead). A couple of years ago, I went to England with my wife -- who is British -- and we visited the area she grew up in (Waybridge -sp?- in Surrey), and I was quite shocked to find that Hersham is only a town or two away....which seemed rather incongruous, given that Waybridge was quite pretty and the Sham boys were very decidedly not.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Jimmy Pursey was posh as fuck!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently. My adolescent preconceptions were shattered.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought that Sham were actually from Walton-on-Thames - which is not Hackney by any means I can assure you

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

this song is hella catchy

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard this song on WSOU's "Punk University" radio show a couple of weeks ago while I was driving in the 'burbs. A classic moment.

Je4nne Ć’ury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Something about the chorus just makes me want to put on a needlessly clunky pair of Doc Martens and stomp about.....in a good way, I mean.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The intro is also virtually indistinguishable from "Holidays in the Sun" by the `Pistols (itself a rip-off of "In the City" by the Jam).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm seeing them in December as part of the Wasted Festival at the Astoria with The Damned, Alternative TV, Avengers, Chelsea, 999, Splodgenessabounds, UK Subs, Vibrators.....

I am, confidently expecting their / Jimmy Pursey's performance to be every bit as appallingly embarrassing - and their fans' behaviour to be every bit as appalling - as they were the last time I saw them, at some punk all dayer in Bath in 1995.

I must have seen Sham at least a dozen times now (the first time being Reading Festival in 1978 IIRC, at which time they were still reasonably tolerable) - which is a hell of a lot of times to have seen a band you despise.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

When's this show at the Astoria?? The Avengers are playing?! Wow.

Is it sold out yet, do you know?

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Sunday 12th December. They haven't even sent the tickets out yet! Cheapest place I found for tickets on the net was here.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

If you fancy a pint, I'll be at the bar during Sham's set.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...
I've been listening it to it over and over all week. It's just great.

moley, Sunday, 24 July 2005 04:31 (twenty years ago)

Also got hold of a compilation with three sham songs on plus some other Oi! classics. 'Hurry Up Harry' was my other fave Sham song.

It's partly the lyrics, partly the band - the drummer has a great glam heavy stompy bounce - and the grey, murderously ragged, compressed production. They were happy songs though, weren't they. Oi! with joy. But they were sorta fake. Never mind, they still sounded great. I was oddly reminded of both Gary Glitter and Killing Joke.

moley, Sunday, 24 July 2005 04:37 (twenty years ago)

I just knew this was an Alex thread. Five times in a row is nutting. When I was single I would put songs on repeat for at least an hour or more, until I didn't even know why I liked it.

nathalie's body's designed for two (stevie nixed), Sunday, 24 July 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

I love it when my stupider threads are revived.

Actually, I had a Sham-related experience recently that I've wanted to share, but it seemed to fleeting to mention on ILX or even on my otherwise idiocy-choked weblog.

So, I'm walking up Broadway recently with the sproglette in her stroller, and right across the street from Grace Church, I see this lithe, Asian fashionista model type strutting downtown. From the waist down, she's in implausibly form-fitting jeans that cling to her underfed limbs. From the waist up, she appears to be wearing a green, one-piece bathing suit that ties up around her neck. Scralwed across her torso & bust, however, is the legend: "THERE'S GONNA BE A BORSTAL BREAKOUT!"

On the one hand, I'm tempted to stop her and quiz her about her top and whether or not she maintains an affinity for Sham 69, but it strikes me that if she doesn't, I'll come across like some leery stalker (despite the fact that I'm pushing a baby-stroller), so I say nothing. But, I mean....how bizarre. An anthem for beery, unshaven youths with missing front teeth, prone to wearing big steel-toed boots and shaviing their scalps suddenly appropriated to adorn sleek swimwear? Someone help me out here.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 24 July 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

"Someone help me out here."

The world has gone mad. Surely you'd noticed?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Sunday, 24 July 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

"Hurry Up Harry" is my favourite Sham 69 song ever. Even as kids me and my brother would sing "We're Go-win Dahn the PAAAAAAB!!!" with gay abandon.

Anti-Pope Consortium (noodle vague), Sunday, 24 July 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Okay so I need to be more familiar with what Sham 69 sound like. They don't get many props that's for sure.

I have just experienced the joy of hearing what Simple Minds sounded like in their punk days - they were called Johnny and the Self Abusers, and you have to hear "Saints & Sinners" or "Dead Vandals" before we begin to talk. PUNK ROCK FOLKS THAT IS PUNK ROCK.

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 24 July 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Johnny and The Self Abusers did a song called "Subway Sex".

I don't know why this is true, I really don't.

"All we want is some liberty..."

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 24 July 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

I remember them from Top of the Pops. Four bigs hits for Sham 69 on everyhit.com!

19 Sham 69 Angels With Dirty Faces May 1978
9 Sham 69 If The Kids Are United Jul 1978
10 Sham 69 Hurry Up Harry Oct 1978
18 Sham 69 Questions And Answers Mar 1979
6 Sham 69 Hersham Boys Aug 1979

Hard to imagine anything like that charting now.

moley, Sunday, 24 July 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Actually, recounting, that's five. I';m going dahn the pub.

moley, Sunday, 24 July 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

"Even as kids me and my brother would sing "We're Go-win Dahn the PAAAAAAB!!!" with gay abandon."

If the average Sham fan had caught you singing anything with "gay" anything you'd almost certainly have ended on the receiving end of a steel toe-capped Doc Marten (the average Sham fan was all in favour of "the kids" being united, as long as "the kids" in question were exclusively white, British, working class and heterosexual...)

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 25 July 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

".... Johnny and the Self Abusers, and you have to hear "Saints & Sinners"

I've got that at home somewhere; but every time I try to replay it in my memory it seems to somehow morph into "Flares & Slippers" by the Cockney Rejects halfway through the chorus.

"Saints and Sinners, Saints and Slippers
Flares and Slippers are on your feet...."

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 25 July 2005 08:34 (twenty years ago)

WHYOIIII DAAHN'Y YOU LISTEN TO MEEEEEE
NO OI DON'T WAHHHHN A CAAHP OF TEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 25 July 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

Their lyrics were kind of lovably ridiculous, and the band did rock, but their following, URGH.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 25 July 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)


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