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I didn't even know he was coming out with an album anytime soon, but there's a new tune at Fluxblog. A Doors bassline and Fugazi guitars. I'm not sure what I think yet, but it sounds more like Mike Ladd's territory (not like their territory is all that different).

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Rock song about hip-hop = the inverse of Mos Def's "Rock n' Roll" (hip-hop song about rock)?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

GRIPPPOOOOOOO!! "Grippo."

...not that it sounds like the rest of the album, but good song, all the same.

And another track sounds like Pere Ubu to me. Haven't heard the whole thing through enough to comment more, at this time.

― Thea (Thea), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

oh shit! (he sounds drunk) it's good!

the fader label wtf? should i read the magazine again?

― La Monte (La Monte), Monday, 13 September 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Saul's a lovely person, prolific writer, has a son named Saturn, supports other struggling musical artists warmly and well but damn, I can't listen to his stuff.

Except for "Grippo".

― Thea (Thea), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll always have a special place in my heart for Saul for 'Penny for a Thought' and the prison freestyle in Slam.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

OMGWTF?! "Grippo" samples Chrome!

― blightersrock (Da ve Segal), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"HALF MACHINE LIP MOVES"

oh sorry I thought this was the current Acid Mothers Temple thread

― Thea (Thea), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Thea OTM.

― maria b (maria b), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

It's much better than most of the rocky tracks on 'Amethyst Rock Star.' Interesting production. Is he still with Rick Rubin?

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I highly doubt it...if he was, we probably would have heard about the album earlier than a week before it's out.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

OT: Should I rent Slam?

― La Monte (La Monte), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I still get chills thinking about the time I heard him do the poem "Saturn" at the Nat'l Poetry Slam finals in Portland in 1995. He should just rock it a capella forever, his beatbox scratchmixing is up there with anyone else's. If you care about that sort of thing.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

from what i remember slam was pretty good.

one time my friend saw him driving in LA and really wanted to talk to him so he actually followed him to a grocery store and chatted with him for a minute. kinda stalkery

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

also: http://www.redmusic.com/streams/SaulWilliams/Reparations.asx

― La Monte (La Monte), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Saul is lovin' the rock.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Samples Chrome, what where? Interesting...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

All time favorite Saul moment:

(Opening for that one band... not Sparta... the other guys At the Drive In Became with the dreadful album cover? Whatever, friends tricked me into going; it wasn't good.)

(I'm paraphrasing from memory, but it was along these lines)
Saul: You guys here, tonight, you're the free thinkers. Outside the mainstream, just by coming here you're proving that you don't buy their bullshit any more!!

Crowd: (In unison) Yeah!!

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

According to the album credits, "Grippo" was co-written/programmed/produced by Musa Bailey.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

And another track was written by Saul, Zack de la Rocha, and BECK.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I like that his phrasing is a lot more in time on this album.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

re: BECK

Saul Williams is not a Scientologist, please god no.
With a son named Saturn, I'm suddenly suspicious...

― Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah, he's too smart and not rich enough. I bet it's from those "de la Rocha with the producers of the world" sessions that will probably never come out.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"Twice The First Time" is over at Cocaine Blunts. I've never heard this guy's stuff before this and "Grippo" at Fluxblog but it's pretty interesting.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

is Beck not "smart" I don't know. You can be smart and a little whacko and be a Scientologist, I think.

I mean, I love Grippo other Saul strengths but he named his son after a grumpy god, a planet or a car. At least it's not "Hummer".

Sorry, Saul. Plz forgive.

― Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, I'll just keep thinking of that as his hippie/mystic side coming out if it's okay with you. Actually, interviews with SW and Grant Morrison read very similarly.

Twice the First Time is one of his two classics, the other one being Penny for a Thought imo. I heard those first and was blown away, so I've given him a lot of leniency since then.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

That record he did with Rick Rubin was blah except for "La La La" and the EPMD song (1980-something).

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

And Penny for a Thought! The second half of the song is one of the hottest beats ever.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 23 September 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

I had written this album off as mediocre after it came out, but it's a month later and it's really grown on me. He simplified his flow and his rhymes and it threw me at first, but I think it's exactly what he had to do to get past the Amethyst Rockstar style.. 'Black Stacey', 'Act III (Shakespeare) and 'List of Demands' are as good as anything he's done, and the beats on 'Telegram' and 'African American Student Movement' are pretty hot.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Also I'm charmed by his bad singing.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, "Telegram" will end up being one of my songs of the year.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I like Telegram even though songs about reforming hip-hop don't really do it for me anymore, that Bad Brains loop is great.

SW really kills Mos on the hip-hop + rock tip this year, without even trying.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

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