C'MON KIDS! This is the thread where we get other posters to listen to great 90s albums they may have not listened to in a while!

One of my favourite albums to play really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really loud too.

"Dust" was the one that came out after that, like in '94 or 5. I never heard that one, but may seek it out now...

Anyway, my pick for favourite-underappreciated-90s-record has to be The Afghan Whigs' "Gentlemen", the essential guys' breakup album.

Also, Republic is a fantastic, totally misunderstood album--sort of like New Order's Third / Sister Lovers.

(xpost to Dr. Bill)

also, y'all (unless, perhaps, you are ned and/or mbv) need to recognize the afghan whigs' gentlemen. go ahead, call me names, it's ferocious.

Yeah, that's true (well, it's not their best, but it's top 10 which would basically be best for just about any other band). I barely even view "Regret" as a part of Republic, though--it sort of works like a bonus track at the beginning of the album, since songs like "Ruined in a Day," "Liar" and "Avalanche" are really much more of what the album is about. Whereas "Web" in two minutes does everything Icky tries to do over the course of 12 tracks absolutely perfectly and so the rest just seem like exercises in redundancy, "Regret" works as more of a mood setter that just also happens to be a really fucking great song.

Y'know?

Mookie--I love "Wrong," "Might" and "Plumb Line" (also "Slow Worm"!) with all my heart, but they just can't compete with the greatest two minutes of indie rock ever recorded.

Gentlemen is a fucking phenomenal album--I probably wouldn't include it just because I don't think its greatness has been forgotten yet.

Black Love also had two great tracks at both ends of the album--better than anything on Gentlemen, even--but the rest of the album was terrible.

Indeed, as is Belly's Star.

Also, I can't beleive how good the Lemonheads are. If I could talk, into your arms, frank mills, rudderless, outdoor type, bit part, so many good songs.

This phrase cannot be parsed.

POD IS BETTER!

I was going to say Last Splash too but it's been taken care of.

OTM, it RAWKS d00d. Seriously though it does.

ok, how about NIN's THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL? oh no, that's angry teenager music, blah blah blah...seriously though the production on that album, the THX-1138 sample at the beginning...i love that record.

and Pigeonhed WERE?

Better yet, people who have been bigging up Manitoba should check out the second album, Blood Music.

i feel like unrest deserves a mention, but one artist who's 90s catalog is i feel about to enjoy a critical reappraisal is Dinosaur Jr. 'green mind' is a way solid album and almost entirely J's work
-- jake b. (Jacob.Becke...), September 29th, 2004.

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Archers of Loaf's Icky Mettle had the misfortune of having THE BEST FUCKING SONG OF EVER as the first track so the rest seems totally shitty in comparison, but it's actually a seriously great album apart from that song too. Just...you know, not as great.

I bought those two albums in the same day.

and the suunnnnnnn / will ALWAYS shine / on this / Palomine

OTFM! I love the first foo fighters album, it's a lot of fun and rocks pretty hard. After that, though....

Well, maybe if hip hop wasn't such a fuckin' transient, here-today-gone-tomorrow genre, people would look back more fondly on past hip hop albums, but it strikes me that shit ages more like milk than like wine. SO TAKE THAT!

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okay Mr. Predictably Rockist.

You started it.

I've barged onto several hip hop threads unsolicitedly. Look around.

And hey, honestly speaking, i like a lot of hip hop. I was just reacting to the shitty, snobby post of Joseph's. Call someone else's tastes 'sad crap', and you best be ready for some return fire.

and what's this weird insecure career longevity thing you're going on about? I don't see James or Cop Shoot Cop around these days either. If you're naive to think rock isn't equally as transient and disposable as hip hop can be then you've got a lot to learn.

Well, both bands broke up,...but both managed to pump out at least five albums before they called it a day...can your average hip hopper make the same claim?

I reacted to your posts the way I did because they come across as incredibly pompous and dismissive....precisely what you accuse "rockists" of being.

And i didn't take it personal, I took it personally.

whoops, didn't mean to get in the way of the competing urinary "debate" between Joseph and Alex. DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS!

both managed to pump out at least five albums before they called it a day...can your average hip hopper make the same claim?

can your average rock band?

And i didn't take it personal, I took it personally.

ahh, I see. and what's the correct spelling of "pedantic"?

can your average rock band?

Well, we already cited Cop Shoot Cop and James, didn't we. Need we rattle off some more?

And i didn't take it personal, I took it personally.

ahh, I see. and what's the correct spelling of "pedantic"?

Sorry, Joseph, but you touched on a pet peeve there. I can't fuckin' stand that particular malapropsism.

I fondled a Charlie Robison CD but I couldn't convince myself. They also had the Sundazed reish of the Dick Curless alb for $6.99, but I figured fuck it, I have like 3 Bill ANderson albums, I don't need that shit. Also, they had Terry Allen's Lubbock rec on CD, also for 6.99, and I was THISCLOSE to buying it, but alas - they only gave me about $20 in credit. I needed to buy a twelve-pack, you see. So, I settled ("settled") for a vinyl copy of Eat to teh Beat at $3.99, which - yes - I am ashamed to admit I have NEVER OWNED before. "Dreaming" is the best song ever.

but are they representative of the average rock band?

average rap artist example: Jay-Z - 9 or so albums!

we're getting into quantity over quality territory now though which is way off topic, so I'll let the thread get back to wallowing in, er, celebrating the nineties if you will.

on that note:
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malapropism ;o)

Yeah, but stop me if I'm wrong -- isn't Jay-Z the single most succesful rap artists goin' today (with the exception of maybe Eminem?) He's hardly "average" in that capacity. Meanwhile, both C$C and James had reasonably respectable careers, but neither were especially huge (at least not here in the States). I'd say they were both 'average rock bands' in regards to their careers.

In any event, Joseph's right, we're getting into a stupid pissing match. I was just taking exception to (what I consider to be) the tired trumpeting of hip hop. (In much the same way, I expect, Joseph tired of the constant deification of rock).

that particular malapropsism

malapropism ;o)

Touche! =)

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there ya go, see? Alex does indeed like hip hop! (referring to the covers he posted)

I agree, Ja Rule is terribly weak.

still can't figure out if the Jodeci mention is serious or just "contrarian" (judging by the Legend of Zelda cover art alone). can't remember what their hit song was.

Well, I can mount a serious argument, but in this particular case, it didn't seem entirely worth it, as I don't think Joseph and I are really disagreeing. His points were valid -- our roster of forgotten albums was leaning squarely into one particular camp. I was just taking a potshot at his use of th word "crap". It's also late and boring here at the nightshift, so I was trying to drum up an entertaining, time-consuming argument. But, `twas not to be. Get me started on a topic with merit, though, and I'll give you a good debate -- albeit probably one rife with spelling errors due to my ire-stifled typing.

Mojo: if you ever get the chance to pick up Charlie Robison's Life of the Party or Live!, you should take that chance. I'm still waiting for my promo copy of the new one, or else I'd already have played it 1,000,000 times. He and his brother Bruce are two of the best songwriters America has right now, and virtually no one here on ILM knows or cares. Grrr.

I found my copy of Namie Amuro's record for $7 at Frugal Muse here in Madison. It might be one of my best finds ever.

I'd pretty much decided that I'd never listen to Archers of Loaf again, but recently dug out their Speed of Cattle comp. and wow, "South Carolina" was an awfully incredible song. Am now (after something like 5-6 years) suddenly enjoying much of Icky Mettle and almost all of Vee Vee. Went to Xgau as I remembered that they were his faves at one point: all A's and A-'s, I'm not sure if he rated any other band so highly. He was wrong, but I think he was projecting potential that never quite got realized....much as people did w/the Replacements.

weird i was listening to icky mettle out of the blue myself

"Web in Front" is a great fun song! I havent heard it in ages but it always cheers me the fuck up.

God dammit now I'll have to get it out.

archers are fucking classic

Dadamah - This Is Not a Dream

WiF's lyrics are spectacularly nonsensical.

Dadamah - This Is Not a Dream

Hell, yeah. And while we're down there, I nominate Cyclops - Goat Volume. I know Ned will back me up. Alternately poppy and experimental yet it all flows.

I've never owned an Archers of Loaf record but damn I know I have Web on a comp somewhere and it is a great song, must go digging...
*flips through CD binder of misc. crap*

Here it is. Harnessed in Slums, Vocal Shrapnel and What Did You Expect? are on here too. It's an old Alias records sampler called Year of the Wagon.

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