so who's got 679's new grime comp

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got it the other day and well, at first i found it really exciting to finally have a grime comp in my hands, but on the other hand, while i know its only meant to show the scene as it is in 2004, most of these tracks arent as energetic and garagey as i had hoped (the dizzee and a few others aside). theyre sort of like underproduced (sometimes verging on tinny and thin, not even that bassy) versions of the type of beats i might hear from dame grease, or timbaland, or swizz beats or someone like that, which isnt really doing grime any favours in the 'hey look, its just uk hip hop!' department (if someone wants to point out how actually these have more in common with other musics, please feel free to put me straight). i also cant help thinking there must have been better tracks that could have been included, cos ive heard much better things on the 'lord of the decks' cds for one thing, which were far more exciting to my ears. this is no dis to martin clark who i know posts here and compiled the cd, just a personal take on it (just had to say that in case i get a load of kneejerk defences on martin's behalf, who im sure is a big boy and doesnt need anyone to do that!).

― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 15 October 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Where did you get it? Is it available online for purchase?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 15 October 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i know somebody that got a promo copy so they burnt it for me.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 15 October 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Call this a generalization but it often seems that when UK vocalists come from a scene that involves superfast n tricky dance music programming, they cut it to half tempo when it's time for a more high profile (read: US market) release. The obvious chart example would be Craig David losing the two step on his way to being groomed for a US R+B listenership, but even the Streets getting marketed as hip hop rather than as garage is an example. It's too bad because to my ears the fastfastfast what the hell is that? factor is what makes stuff cool in the first place. I haven't heard the grime comp you mention but it sounds like that could be creeping into things . . .

― Drew Daniel, Friday, 15 October 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

you might just be right. that may be how the selection got decided. i dunno bout tempos playing that large a part, but this stuff is more like uk grime MCs doing hip hop than grime. i mean play this stuff next to the lord of the decks cd or other grime tracks and you cant help wondering where the energy that is so great about grime has gone to....

― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 15 October 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

All of the tracks I know from the comp are a) at typical grime tempos and b) big hits within the scene, the remix of The Streets excepted. Stuff like "Chosen One", "One Wish (Terra Danjah Mix)", "Ps & Qs", "The Rush" and "Give U More" are *exactly* the sort of tracks I'd want on an introductory grime comp: hyperspeed grime tempos and ravey feel to distinguish strongly from hip hop, but also really interesting and varied production and strong hooks ("The Rush" is metal-grime, "Chosen One" is Eastern atmospherics, "One Wish" is technicolour melodrama etc. etc.).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 16 October 2004 06:35 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a good, and I'd say fairly representative compilation - bit skewed towards the N.A.S.T.Y side of things, maybe, but any problems with the tracklisting are really just niggles. The only thing that seems like a missed opportunity is the lack of any of the dirtier Ruff Sqwad stuff... 'Tings In Boots' would have been a great addition.

Perhaps it sounds tinny and bassless because you're listening to a burn of a CD-R?

― Jason J, Saturday, 16 October 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

tim, what tracks do you think are hyperspeed exactly? everything here seems pretty slow compared to say, the beats on the last slimzee comp, or the wiley album for example. dont hear much ravey-ness either compared to other tracks ive heard.

maybe its cos im coming from a hip hop angle, but a LOT of these tracks sound like theyre heavily HEAVILY influenced by dirty south and timbaland production.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Saturday, 16 October 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

if the tracks were speedier, i would be loving it!

― DVD (dickvandyke), Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

All the tracks I listed are at usual grime tempo. I think they occasionally sound slower than they are because the melodies are so solemn and the rhythms are quite spacious, but if you count along to "Ps & Qs", "Chosen One" etc. you'll notice they're still faster than house tempos, let alone hip hop.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 17 October 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, well on these grounds, im not sure people can say grime isnt hip hop anymore. if timbaland and mannie fresh and all them are hip hop, so is grime, sad to say.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Sunday, 17 October 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's one thing to say that grime is a distinctive, self-contained genre with an identifiable aesthetic that can't simply be subsumed into the broader morass of "hip hop" and another to say that it's not hip hop. I wouldn't say the latter; I would say the former, and I would say it about bounce/crunk as well.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 17 October 2004 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

THATS WHAT IM SAYING. GRIME IS AS MUCH PART OF HIP HOP AS IT IS UK GARAGE. I WOULD SAY THE GARAGE PART OF ITS SOUND ISNT EVEN THERE ANYMORE REALLY.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Sunday, 17 October 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

AS I WAS SAYING ON THIS:

SO WHY *ISNT* GRIME 'UK HIP HOP'?

THIS COMP, FROM WHAT IVE HEARD, AND IVE HEARD MOST OF IT, ITS NOT LIKE ALL THE THINGS I HEARD ON THE FIRST DIZZEE ALBUM OR WILEY ALBUM, THIS STUFF IS BASICALLY HIP HOP AND HIP HOP FANS WILL TREAT IT AS SUCH. THEY WILL PROBABLY HEAR IT AND THINK THEYRE JUST TRYING TO DO/BE HIP HOP. IM NOT HEARING MUCH THATS THAT OPPOSITE OR DIFFERENT TO MAKE THE AVERAGE PERSON ON THE STREET SAY 'YEAH THAT DONT SOUND LIKE HIP HOP'.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Sunday, 17 October 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh fucking hell I'm sick of this. To answer everything you've said: YES, WE ALREADY KNOW!!!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 17 October 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

SORRY TIM, DIDNT MEAN TO MAKE YOU ANGRY. :(

IM ALSO SAD TO HEAR YOU AGREEING WITH ME THAT ITS BASICALLY HIP HOP THOUGH. WAS HOPING THE SCENE WASNT LIKE THAT AS A WHOLE AND THAT SOMEONE COULD POINT ME TO SOME RECENT TUNES THAT WERENT LIKE THAT.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Sunday, 17 October 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

drop the fucking caps if you don't want to make people fucking mad. and i don't think tim's agreeing about it being "basically hiphop".

― m. (mitchlnw), Sunday, 17 October 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

ok ok, caps are gone!

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Sunday, 17 October 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahaha!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 17 October 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is interesting.

― splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 17 October 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i've played this CD everywhere on different players and while i know a lot of the equipment the artists use isnt exactly expensive, these tunes are still pretty thin and under-under-produced, which is odd cos even stuff like i luv u or eskimo, far as i know was done with low budget equipment but didnt sound as 'small' as these. maybe it'll be diff when the proper album comes out though.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It's funny that you think this DVD - "Chosen One" and "One Wish (Terra Danjah Mix)" are two of my favourite grime productions ever. But maybe we look for different things - I generally love the foulplayification of the 8-bar (ie. the splashes of melodic colour). And it should be remembered that "Eskimo" and "I Luv U" are, like, the two best ever examples of that hard 8-bar sound that ruled 2002. I'm glad that the scene isn't still just those two tunes and then a million "Pulse X" knock offs as it was back then. I mean, "Pulse X" is fun but two and a half years of it might have started drag.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmmmmm, maybe im just not as into the current incarnation of grime as the older one. then again, i LOVED alot of the more manic beats that wiley was rhyming over last night on rinse FM, i just *personally* wish there was more of those on this comp. i tend to like more extreme music anyway, i often dont see the point in music like grime or jungle or drum n bass, if its not being pushed to the max and is only resting in the middle. maybe that's wrong.

i think i need some better context. like an idea of what else has been ruling grime this year, so far to put these songs into the frame theyve come from.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Can you name some of the older tunes that you're talking about? Something like "Eskimo" doesn't feel faster to me than "Ps & Qs" (and indeed they *are* at the same tempo). More tensely repetitive perhaps - and "Ps & Qs" is swiping that "What's Your Fantasy" trick of using its kicks sparingly to suggest gaping chasms of space (one of Davinche's favourite tricks) - but then that's what Wiley did on "Ice Rink" too? Is that the groove takes two bars to resolve instead of one?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(I agree that "Eskimo" is better than "Ps & Qs" too but it's an unfair comparison)

Actually that's one of the more notable thing about the grime's "maturation" - the way the grooves have mostly moved from one bar loops (with a switch to a different loop every eight bars) to two or four bar loops. It's a move towards songfulness that maybe doesn't sit well with people who prefer the endless torrent (cf. flow) of earlier grime.

"What Have You Done" is another example of a typical grime tempo track that sounds much slower than it is.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

well i admit freely im no grime expert (ive come into it as a massively intrigued and now slightly obsessed hip hop fan) but something like stop dat by dizzee is an older tune that comes to mind. i wont mention earlier more UKG-type proto-grime like more fire's oi or the so solid song with ms dynamite (where she murders it) but im also thinking of most of wileys album, where even on the seemingly slower songs, there is a certain business to the programming, and a hyperkinetic-ness that always gives it the air of being fast, manic and intense. i think thats what i was hoping for, that busy, more intricate style that isnt so pared down in terms of layers or so 'slight' or 'nimble' (which is what kano's Ps & Qs sounds like to me, even though i like it). the type of beats where something new always seems to be coming in or the beat is changing, etc etc - like igloo on wot do u call it? even ice rink is kinda like that. i suppose this might just be a case of favouring wiley's production over davinche though.

btw, tim, have you heard wiley's remix of ludacris' roll out? i was trying to spot how hes switched the rhythm and the juggling of the snares compared to the original (apart from the flurry of claps being used) to make it seem more 'grime' but it was starting to do my head in so i gave up.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

(i happen to think kano sounds better on ice rink than ps and qs actually. his flow is dizzying on it, something i think seems to go AWOL when the beats arent as intricately programmed or fast, like dizzee on a hip hop beat vs. dizzee on a hyper grime beat)

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

(not that ps & qs is a 'proper' hip hop beat of course)

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

as my final example, i would chuck in kano on this freestyle where he follows d double e on a track ive got labelled 'clear' to show how amazing he sounds on a seemingly faster track...... or maybe its just that hes rapping faster, and the beat is the same tempo........ or maybe its the syncopation and rhythm of this particular beat thats making him rap more rapidly......... ARGH! fuck it!

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this on Slsk yet? Any chance of a tracklisting?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 18 October 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

To be fair though Kano on "Ice Rink" is one of his top two moments ever (quite apart from the beat being one of grime's best ever as well)! He used that freestyle everywhere for ages because it was probably his best after "Girls & Boys", which doesn't work as well over anything other than the original Jammer beat.

DVD have you heard Danny Weed's "Rat Race"? (and his mix of Jamelia's "Bout" for that matter)? I think you might like them - they've got a madcap quality to them that's reminiscent of the Wiley of "Eskimo" and "Ice Rink". Both are from last year.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

ONE THING I WILL SAY (AND I AM TYPING IT IN CAPS - SORRY IF NOONE LIKES IT BUT ITS THE WAY I EXPRESS MYSELF... I DONT MEAN IT TO GET ON ANYONES NERVES OR IRRITATE) IS THAT THE KANO PROMO FAKE-WHITE LABEL (FAKE COS IT IS DIRECT FROM HIS LABEL WHO ARE BIG!) 12 OF PS AND QS SOUNDS "BIG" AND HAS GOT BETTER BASS COMPARED TO THAT RUN THE ROAD CD. I DUNNO IF THEY JUST DID A BAD JOB BURNING THEM OR WHATEVER BUT ON THE 12" IT SOUNDS RUFF COMPARED TO THE CD WHERE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY BURNED IT OFF A LOAD OF MP3S, HAHA. IT SOUNDS MORE HIGH END ON THE CD, A BIT MP3-ISH.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 18 October 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

im gonna hunt on slsk for both of those that you mentioned tim. dizzee is just brilliant on ice rink too.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

For Matt DC, courtesy of Martin:

1. Terror Danjah feat. Hyper, Bruza, D Double E and Hyper 'c*ck Back V1.2'
2. Riko and Target 'Chosen One'
3. Roll Deep 'Let It Out'
4. Kano 'Ps and Qs'
5. Jammer feat. Wiley, D Double E, Kano and Goodz 'Destruction VIP'
6. Dizzee Rascal ft D Double E 'Give U More'
7. No Lay 'Unorthadox Daughter'
8. Shystie feat. Ronnie Redz, Kano and Bruza 'One Wish' Terror Danjah Remix
9. Goodz 'Gimmie Dat'
10. Demon feat. Bruza and Big-E-D 'Da Rush'
11. Tinchy Stryder 'Move'
12. Lady Sovereign 'Cha Ching (Cheque 1, 2 Remix)'
13. Ears 'Happy Dayz'
14. The Streets feat. Kano, Donae'o, Lady Sovereign and Tinchy Stryder 'Fit But You Know It'
15. Wonder feat. Plan B 'Cap Back'
16. Kano feat. Demon and Wiley 'Mic Fight'

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The fuck, how are any of those riddims hip hop beats?!?!?!

― 2-tekz, Monday, 18 October 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

is it that big of a stretch to imagine them as being hip hop beats?

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

""dizzee is just brilliant on ice rink too."

I think Sharkey Major is my sentimental favourite but, yeah, Dizzee, Kano & Sharkey are the top three.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 18 October 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

the vid for the new kano single is pretty cool by the way - has mikey mike skinner in it too.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"Move" is kinda hip hop.

― Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

What's that version of Cock Back like? Can't be as good as the original, can it?

― Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

is the original the one on lord of the decks 2?

― DVD (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

It's different from the one on Lord Of The Decks 2, if memory serves me correct - it's great, though.

― Jason J, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

THAT TRACK MOVE IS BASICALLY A HIP HOP TRACK, SO IS THAT OTHER ONE CALLED RUSH. THE GRIME EXPERTS TALKING ABOUT TEMPOS ALL THE TIME ARE FAILING TO NOTICE THAT THE TEMPOS ARE NOT THAT MUCH FASTER! OR THAT THERE ISNT ENOUGH UKG-TYPE PROGRAMMING IN THESE TRACKS TO NOT CALL THEM HIP HOP!

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

So is this available for buying yet? Does anyone know where?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

simon reynolds on it in the OMM :

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/reviews/story/0,13875,1347746,00.html

― piscesboy, Monday, 15 November 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Still waiting to hear this. Is there a firm release date set by 679?

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Hook a brother up, eh?
That's what Gmail is for.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Amazon has it coming out in January now. But there was something in the new Vice about Terror Danjah pulling all his tracks from it because 679 aren't paying him enough. Doesn't look good, does it?

― Jason J, Monday, 15 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Run the Road is out in garage shops in two weeks and HMV after Christmas. Don't watch the speculation.

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

finally got this the other day. its kinda interesting. doesnt grip me like boy in da corner, or treddin on thin ice, but i think about 5 tracks are really good. it tails off towards the end into some pretty bad/boring stuff, but theres some interesting things going on. not as much as i'd like - quite a bit of it just more or less familar to anyone into hip hop, especially southern stuff, just done by uk rappers and producers with slightly different ideas. will be interesting to see where grime goes. i would advise anyone buying this to avoid all the hype its been getting in the press and just listen without prejudice, as george michael might say. expect too much or an album chock full of 'i luv u's (or similar quality) and youre bound to be dissapointed.

― pudgee, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

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From Vice:

RUN THE ROAD – V/A UK GRIME COMP

RECORD RELEASE SHOWS
W/ Jammer, D Double E and Ears

Thu March 10 Philadelphia, PA @ La Tazza (Free)
Fri March 11 New York, NY @ Rothko ($8)
Sat March 12 Toronto, ONT @ B-Side ($10)

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 10 March 2005 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

Find threads from I Love Music, subject contains 'grime'.

72 results found:

― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

Still fucking great.

― ilxor, Thursday, 8 January 2009 14:59 (seventeen years ago)

Was this grime's high-water mark?

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 January 2009 17:04 (seventeen years ago)

yep.

― it's all about the benjamin buttons (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 8 January 2009 17:45 (seventeen years ago)

i think i might like vol 2 better tho

― it's all about the benjamin buttons (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 8 January 2009 17:45 (seventeen years ago)

I could see an argument for the Nasty Crew Deuce mix or Lord of the Decks or something, but not Volume 2.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 January 2009 17:49 (seventeen years ago)

OI TRICK OI

― it's all about the benjamin buttons (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 8 January 2009 17:52 (seventeen years ago)

I do love "Saw It Comin'" though on Vol 2. Wonder what ever happened to Mizz Beats.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:00 (seventeen years ago)

I haven't picked up Volume 2 yet. Need to fix that.

― ilxor, Friday, 9 January 2009 05:17 (seventeen years ago)

The main effect of Run The Road on me is that it's made me even more impatient to hear the Lady Sovereign album.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, January 31, 2005 3:06 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark

loooooooooool

― FUTURE HOOS: stronger better faster hooser (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 9 January 2009 05:24 (seventeen years ago)

my copy of this is all fucked up so all the tracks are basically unplayable skipping now but last time i tried to ride out the skips "cock back" was still the best shit ever

― FUTURE HOOS: stronger better faster hooser (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 9 January 2009 05:26 (seventeen years ago)

also "destruction v.i.p." probably claims the most thrilling moment on the whole thing

― FUTURE HOOS: stronger better faster hooser (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 9 January 2009 05:43 (seventeen years ago)

the name of this thread reminds me of 678

― ❤ⓛⓞⓥⓔ❤ (CaptainLorax), Friday, 9 January 2009 05:52 (seventeen years ago)

Was this grime's high-water mark?

Dunno about that, in so much as I'm not sure a compilation like this could be considered a high water mark in any genre. It's not like there haven't been grime tracks since that hit the highs of Destruction VIP or Cock Back, but maybe not bundled together in such a handy way. Volume 2 had some great moments as well, a bit diluted overall though and people like Klashnekoff and Plan B really didn't belong there.

― Matt DC, Friday, 9 January 2009 10:35 (seventeen years ago)

RTR has some absolute classics but it tails off near the end with those useless ears and plan b songs. vol 2 had some good tracks too, but it didnt really have as good a sampling of grime as the first one, just cos about half of it was all produced by davinche!

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 9 January 2009 11:00 (seventeen years ago)

i wouldnt call either RTR a definitive document of the scene though as theres so many good tracks and artists that didnt even get a look in.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 9 January 2009 11:04 (seventeen years ago)

also i dunno if its just me but im sure that 679 kinda scruffed up the fidelity of a lot of the songs on RTR1. they made it sound a bit dirtier, muddier, not quite as crystal clear as the versions on other comps.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 9 January 2009 11:25 (seventeen years ago)

it's a great comp but i thought vol 2 botched it slightly - some really excellent tracks (doctor & davinche's 'gotta man?' and the massive low deep production which kicks it off) but quite a few disappointments (no lay) and too much UKHH. had the series continued, vols 3, 4, 5 etc could have been just as excellent as vol 1, the standard of the best grime is still that high.

― lex pretend, Friday, 9 January 2009 11:52 (seventeen years ago)

so i think calling it the high-water point of grime kind of does a disservice to the genre, though it's true that it's the high-water point of people bothering to compile the best of the genre

― lex pretend, Friday, 9 January 2009 11:53 (seventeen years ago)

they shd have kept it going. a comp that collects all the best bits of all the mix cds out there would be a life saver.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 9 January 2009 11:55 (seventeen years ago)

god, dug it out again and seriously UNORTHADOX DAUGHTER. still. so. fucking. good.

― lex pretend, Friday, 9 January 2009 12:36 (seventeen years ago)

"spit a couple bars and put you in BUPA!!!"

"chickenheads if you move any looser, this aids epidemic is gonna be a killer"

"for the life i've led, all the shit i've been fed, now i'm spitting it out like overdue lead, nervous MCs shall wet the bed when i see red"

"DUCKS!!!!"

"i'm stormy like thunder, blow through like a chick on a honda"

"MCs bawlin' out bloody murder, stop the bawlin' cuz i fuckin' heard ya"

"my lyrics flow dirty like a butt-naked slut that's bagging it up, smuggling crack in her butt-eye"

"i'm the go-go-getter in the black hooded sweater, miss nolay don't you forget her"

"a chance in life but life cuts like a knife"

― lex pretend, Friday, 9 January 2009 12:43 (seventeen years ago)

Looking back I can see why they put all that UKHH on there - for a while around 2005ish it seemed like the two scenes were going to overlap quite considerably. The Up Your Speed remix being the key track there obviously. Also Awfully Deep came out that year. They seem to have moved away from one another again now.

some really excellent tracks (doctor & davinche's 'gotta man?' and the massive low deep production which kicks it off)

Yeah these two and the Ghetto & Katie Pearl are my favourites by some distance.

― Matt DC, Friday, 9 January 2009 13:01 (seventeen years ago)

Am I the only one who loves "Saw It Comin'"? :(

― Alex in SF, Friday, 9 January 2009 16:54 (seventeen years ago)

i really liked that acoustic version of the Plan B song on disc 2 which is probably the herbiest shit in the world to like on a grime comp, which already makes it 50,000 Leagues Below Herb

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 9 January 2009 17:27 (seventeen years ago)

vol 2

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 9 January 2009 17:27 (seventeen years ago)

Can't stand Plan B. I have no problem with the Ears song on the first RTR though.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 9 January 2009 17:32 (seventeen years ago)

i love 'saw it comin' too - its slow, draggy tempo actually makes a lot more sense listening back now (i wasn't listening to much dubstep in 05)

― lex pretend, Friday, 9 January 2009 17:51 (seventeen years ago)

as for plan b, he's not a bad MC, but dear god his emo acoustic shit is unbearable - saw him live that year and the entire audience was trying to awkwardly shuffle away within two songs

ears toured with the count & sinden last year i think (along with mz bratt and ny), and will be on their imminent album.

― lex pretend, Friday, 9 January 2009 17:54 (seventeen years ago)

Can I mention how ridiculously I am anticipating that Count & Sinden album?

― Matt DC, Friday, 9 January 2009 17:55 (seventeen years ago)

really matt? I don't much like "Hardcore Girls" at all. The song with JME was aight. The only really great thing I've heard by them was this awesome R&B/jungle mash-up that reminded me of the Urban Takeover Remix of "Wishing On A Star" from way back when. Can't remember its name.

― Tim F, Friday, 9 January 2009 20:23 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

i picked this up at a local record store's garage sale, was a buck.

it's pretty cool!

i finally "get" titchyscheider's name now

― rawkan the chief (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 September 2010 15:33 (fifteen years ago)

Tinchy Stryder is now one of the biggest pop stars in Britain. And he's not very good any more :/

― Matt DC, Monday, 20 September 2010 15:36 (fifteen years ago)

all this stuff seems cool tho i get why ppl were excited. real dark and shit, their accents are weird i like it

― rawkan the chief (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:15 (fifteen years ago)

i felt kinda bad for the CD tho, it was in the dollar bin...i remember on ilx it was like the future and shit and now there it is right next to the old kristen hersh and rocket from the crypt cds i bought

― rawkan the chief (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:24 (fifteen years ago)

the future is finite, i guess.

― village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:26 (fifteen years ago)

was this anything like the rephlex grime comp? if so, that was kind of boring and kind of tacky-sounding even at the time.

― village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:26 (fifteen years ago)

Dizzee, Wiley, Tinchy and Roll Deep are making ££££ right now, as are a load of the next generation MCs, albeit with music that's much less dark.

Whoever thought it was ever going to take off in America was on crack though.

― Matt DC, Monday, 20 September 2010 16:27 (fifteen years ago)

Roll Deep did a great bouncy little ska-ish track that goes "Trouble don't mean a thing/When you're moving in circles/That Roll Deep" - very commercial, but very good.

― village idiot (dog latin), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:29 (fifteen years ago)

im still convinced the sonics were dirtied up a bit for this compilation. anyway, it has a few shit ones (mic fight, the one with plan b, and that ears one, the bruza and demon song is a bit lol too) but its pretty remarkable how many good songs are on this (cock back, give u more, destruction, etc). run the road 2 is a bit crap in comparison and a total missed opp, considering what was around in grime at that time.

its nothing like the rephlex comp - these are all 'songs' with mcs on them, not instros.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:30 (fifteen years ago)

Should point out that the UK record buying public has only just come round to the idea of British rappers within the last 18 months or so. I wouldn't have anticipated this level of success from anyone back in 2004, even less so in 2007.

― Matt DC, Monday, 20 September 2010 16:30 (fifteen years ago)

"i felt kinda bad for the CD tho, it was in the dollar bin...i remember on ilx it was like the future and shit and now there it is right next to the old kristen hersh and rocket from the crypt cds i bought"

Tons of great CDs end up in dollar bins these days.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:33 (fifteen years ago)

i know! i can't help it that i feel things more deeply than other ppl!

"in every used CD store a heartache"

― rawkan the chief (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:35 (fifteen years ago)

the bruza and demon song is a bit lol too

do you mean this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN5hr_91ytg

cos its dooooooooope

― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:56 (fifteen years ago)

seem to remember being disappointed that one wasn't on the cd

― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:57 (fifteen years ago)

That one got left off the Vice version. It was replaced by another inferior Demon/Bruza track.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:58 (fifteen years ago)

vol 2 was so wack apart from this one;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzaMpSSq1BY

best grime video ever?

― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:59 (fifteen years ago)

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CufcAsh
2 years ago 6

Still a big tune. Fuck America

― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 20 September 2010 17:00 (fifteen years ago)

oh shit charlie from big brother working behind the bar in that vid!

― i feed these skreets (tpp), Monday, 20 September 2010 17:09 (fifteen years ago)

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so who's got 679's new grime comp - run the road?