Whither the Nuns

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I discovered the song "Do You Want Me On My Knees" by the Nuns on a comp yesterday, and sweet holy CRAP what a great f&*%#@ing song it is! All chugging punkrock chords with a LOUD, out-front, Raw Power-level lead solo. And the vocals! A rant that SOUNDS like an actual rant, and a snarly come-on as well. It's got that dead-serious but half-silly sound of American punk bands before hardcore happened and it was all still kind of a novelty -- the Posh Boy sound, as it were.

Somehow I've completely missed the Nuns up to this point -- all I know about them is that Alejandro Escovedo was in the group. Now I want more! So, if you've got love for the Nuns, lemme hear ya!

briania (briania), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Anything like the Monks?

(not necessarily punning here)

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Not much, really. They have a lot in common with countless other early California punk bands -- Avengers, Victims, Stains, Dills, F-Word, Shattered Faith, Germs, X. Probably played the Madame Wong's, the Deaf Club & Mabuhay Gardens. That whole scene. I remember them from various samplers of the day, but if anything had kicked my ass then like this song does now, I would have been a HUGE fan.

briania (briania), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

(okay, I'm somewhat more huge now)

briania (briania), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

The Nuns first LP had that sound in spades. They had an image, courtesy of Jennifer Miro, a very Euro-cold looking woman. It's a mystery why that LP isn't in print on CD. "Suicide Child" was one of the great songs on it, ca. '77, published by Bomp. It was their best record by far, attacking with bristling guitar, general nastiness and riffs that hooked you.

"Romania" was issued a few years later and was starkly different. It was a mall Goth record before there were mall Goths and had largely given away the sound that made the first LP a smack in the face. As mood music, it was fair. Generally, it's not my cup of tea and the guitar sound was poor, sounding thin and over compressed as compared to "The Nuns."

Infrequently, other CDs have appeared, but the first vinyl LP is the high point.

George Smith, Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh fuck yeah, "Suicide Child"! It's all coming back now!

briania (briania), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Still more posthumous kudos due the great Greg Shaw, apparently. Did he produce it?

briania (briania), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't recall. But it was a favorite of mine at the time. Many good songs on that LP including another that is in my mind now that you've jogged it, I think: "Walking in the Street." It was a hybrid, combining some of the punk roar with Goth flavor.

George Smith, Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The first Nuns record was at my local record store last week, but the dude hadn't priced it yet and he put it aside for me until the pricing dude could put a sticker on it. I'm crossing my fingers that he gives me a deal. Everyone pray for me, okay?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Fingers X'd. I'm bummin' at my chances of ever finding one, now.

briania (briania), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Cargo Distributors in the Uk semi-recently resolicited orig. copies for about four quid each, a 'warehouse find', so it shouldn't be too hard to track down...

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, time to pogo!

briania (briania), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Now you wanna be looking for the first Hypnotics record, too, Scott. Not quite as good as The Nuns but still dangerous and unafraid to be vile.

George Smith, Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Hypnotics? That *almost rings a bell...info please?

don, Friday, 12 November 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

The Hypnotics "Indoor Fiends" Enigma

Some of the songs:

Weird People
Eating Soup
Nazi Snatzi
Doomed
Kiddie Porn

"Natzi Snatzi" was my favorite. "You're storm trooper killer; you want to start a war." The hook was good, and in the chorus, set
to "Heil Hitler! Heil Hitler!" People reacted badly to it when I played it loud in grad school.

Very much into punk rock as hard rock well before hardcore and the
fossilized modern idea of it as therapy and community for large peer groups of ninnies. In league with the long lost Christ Child LP, which might have preceded it by a year or two.

George Smith, Friday, 12 November 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Again, I remember that Hypnotics album, but never picked up on it 'cause it didn't seem cool. Nowadays, it's exactly that pre-fossilized hard rock/punk rock sound that appeals to me.

Another favorite in that mode is the Zero Boys' Vicious Circle. I saw that band several times, liked 'em a lot, and was disappointed when the album came out and I saw it reviewed in Flipside or some other punk zine as being boring, dated, slow, etc. The DC bands were ascendant, Damaged was out, and the game was changing.

briania (briania), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll agree, "Vicious Circle" was pretty good. Like you said, it never seemed to get traction, much like the rest of the stuff in this thread.

George Smith, Friday, 12 November 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"prefossilized": yeah, that seems to have been a problem Crime had, getting Talibanned by hardcore, at least according to the alibi commentary on SAN FRANCISCO's *STILL* DOOMED, and hearing is beleiving, or at least plausibility. They're uneven, but worthy. I'll have to find Zero Boys and Hypnotics too. Really amzing how quickly the West Coast in particular earned a rep as neo-tightasses, considering how varied the earlier scene was, with Plugz, Flesheaters, Monitor, Black Randy, Blasters etc., playing the same venues, sometimes the same bill, as supposed "purists" like the pre-heresy Black Flag.

don, Saturday, 13 November 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

see, now that christ child album was the one that I never picked up. i used to see it all the time. i don't know why i never bought it. just as an artifact i should have. ah, i'll see it again eventually.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 13 November 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Briania, do you like the Bizarros? They are one of my fave bands. I love the album on mercury and the split album on Clone with the Rubber City Rebels. I only bring them up as an example of pre-hardcore punk/hard rock. God, I love that album. I mentioned them in something i wrote and they quoted me on their web-site. I'd never been prouder.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 13 November 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just glad that I finally bought some Pagans a couple years back. I need more. That stuff is alright with me.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 13 November 2004 02:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Love the Bizzaros/RCR record on Clone, the later stuff not so much. I found the Rubber City Rebels "Re-Tired" disc, and all that stuff still sounds pretty great. This thread is whipping up plans for a "pre-hardcore" mixtape.

briania (briania), Saturday, 13 November 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"prefossilized": yeah, that seems to have been a problem Crime had, getting Talibanned by hardcore, at least according to the alibi commentary on SAN FRANCISCO's *STILL* DOOMED, and hearing is beleiving, or at least plausibility. They're uneven, but worthy. I'll have to find Zero Boys and Hypnotics too. Really amzing how quickly the West Coast in particular earned a rep as neo-tightasses

Everyone got "Taliban-ed" by hardcore. That's a good word for it. And it wasn't exclusive to the West Coast. Pre-Dick Destiny band, The Guns, was a fast and lean hard rock trio which by default wound up geographically stuck in the punk rock scene from the region. The hardcore punks in the shires were as conformist as the people they claimed to despise from the mainstream, and that was in the early-mid 80's. I remember doing a show at one well-attended gig and everyone was let in for the soundcheck which they cheered for. By the time the show rolled around, two numbers in The Guns do "Roadkill" -- which the mullahs thought was literally a recommendation to go out and run over animals on the highway. They fold up their arms and do a boycott.

So it was good to remove yourself from that scene early and play to drunks or more mainstream audiences, if -- as a hard rock band -- you didn't want to have a fatwa taken out on you by the fundamentalists.

I had my revenge when I became the primary pop music writer for the local newspaper a few years later. Hardcore bands, particularly the regional and local acts, were a great source for humor pieces and ridicule by dint of their similarity to clans, odd political parties (viz., the followers of Lyndon LaRouche) and religious sects.

George Smith, Sunday, 14 November 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Jennifer Miro had another band after the Nuns called the VIP's.
They released a version of the Stones' LADY JAYNE. I told her I loved it.
She told me she hated it!

Re: The Bizarros Mercury LP - sounds like The Strokes

DR SCott, Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: The Bizarros Mercury LP - sounds like The Strokes


um, that would be the other way around, i think.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Just saw on the Crime site (crimewave.biz or .com, apparently) that the touring lineup (? no schedule given dammit) consists or consisted of original lead gtr. Johnny Strike, orig. drumr.Hank Rank, with Michael Lucas of Phantom Surfers on bass, and Pat "Monsignor" Ryan of the Nuns on whatever he plays (gtr., I think; I got so excited when saw "the Nuns" I had to run to the bathroom). Just listened to SAN FRANCISCO'S *STILL* DOOMED 4.5 times in 24 hrs., while deciding which tracks to tape for David First of the Notekillers (with highlights of Texas Terri, and all of the Oxes OXXES, cos he wanted all of it). Pretty sure Crime and Notekillers will *both* be in me P&J (had thought just the latter, but now...mention of Nun-appropriation didn't hurt SF'S *STILL* uneven, but too many tracks won't be denied)

don, Friday, 26 November 2004 07:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The Nuns have been for maybe 2 years on my slsk wishlist but never returned a single hit... I just have "You Think You're the Best" which I found on Kazaa of all places... Great stuff

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Friday, 26 November 2004 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

So, anyway, I got that Nuns record on Bomp/Poshboy and I'm digging it. I don't think i knew that they had a girl singer. or a girl AND boy singer anyway. the songs i had heard on tapes were boy songs. cool record! i also got the Stepmothers record on Poshboy *You Were Never My Age*. It came with a Stepmothers ep as well with "Don't Kill The Beat" and "Out For Blood" on it. I don't know if it originally came with an ep or not. I also got The Crowd's A World Apart on Posh Boy and The Professional's I Didn't See It Coming (i always needed that record. it's not like i never saw it or anything, but i never picked one up.) I also got the Avengers album on *CD Presents* with the nice red vinyl. Probably spent 50 bucks for all of them, but it was worth it.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah yeah so describe em skot (no brag, jes fact)

don, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I also got the Avengers album on *CD Presents* with the nice red vinyl.

The Lewd LP with "Mobile Home" goes good with it.

George Smith, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I will, dandy don. I promise. Tomorrow when I have more time. Okey dokey?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The Nuns were, like, phastgoth before there was goth-anything.
I had a major crush on Miro due to her black-claddiness and cussed worldview.

They definately stood out from what someone else already noted was a politically tight-assed scene, the Rubber City Rebels excepted because they were funny as hell and were like 999 vs Dead Boys over some Pabsts.

There was another Cali proto-goth girl group but damned if the name will come.

ian g, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 06:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The Superheroines. "Cry for Help (In a World Gne Mad)" on Bemisbrain, very heavy Goth before there was Goth metal downtempo punk. Kittie would be a lot better had they listened to The Superheroines.

George Smith, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)


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