Do You Reckon the members of Metallica sat down and read Ernest Hemingway's "For Whom the Bell Tolls" before writing a `choon with the name title?

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Before you get all uppity about how pretentious this question is, bear in mind that I HAVEN'T READ IT EITHER (although I did read "The Old Man and the Sea"...purportedly Sadaam Hussein's favorite book....and "The Sun Also Rises," which I quite enjoyed). But seriously, do you think Messrs. Hetfield, Ulrich et al. are versed in the great man's works?

What other titular swipes can you name?

- "The Grapes of Wrath" by the Mission UK
- "Wasteland" by...er...the Mission UK

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

That should've been same title in the thread question. Apologies.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe they got Cliff's notes. (sorry)

darin (darin), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The Fall - Bend Sinister
(MES has most likely read Nabokov)

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to think they did but I think the chances are pretty slim. James has maybe read half of it, up until Pinar's recollections.

57 7th (calstars), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Lynskey - "Vonnegut's Cradle" from the ILX comp! (Da book is Cat's Cradle for those of you who've never seen one of those tables in big bookshops full of 'edgy' fiction like Iceberg whatver-his-name-is and that fucking Zen piece of shit).

Bernard the Butler (Lynskey), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

bruce springsteen has spent his entire career swiping movie titles and other people's song titles, but i can't think of too many book titles, though it's quite possible "the river" was named for the flannery o'connor story of that title since he's a huge fan.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

iron maiden, "murders in the rue morgue"

fact checking cuz (fcc), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Lou Reed & his crazy-ass "Raven" record

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Iron Maiden - "From Here to Eternity", "Phantom of the Opera", "Stranger in a Strange Land", "Murders in the Rue Morgue", "Revelations"

darin (darin), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Maiden has a shit-ton of 'em. "To Tame a Land".

I guess the one about what not to do when a bird shits on you was a poem, though.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that Saddam up there with the tiger?

No, seriously. The Hussein/Hemingway connection is all to clear to me now. Hell, they're even both quite fond of shotguns.

Bob Seger with "Main Street" and Steven Tyler's band naming themselves Aerosmith could both be nods to Sinclair Lewis.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

The name of "Aerosmith" definitely is, I read it somewhere.

Can't think of any book titles, but I can think of a couple movie titles.
Deep Blue Something - "Breakfast at Tiffany's"
Aimee Mann (or Good Charlotte) - "Say Anything"

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

david bowie, "1984"
van halen, "1984"
(and i imagine there's a lot more of that particular title out there)

fact checking cuz (fcc), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Rush "Tom Sawyer"

darin (darin), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Deep Blue Something - "Breakfast at Tiffany's"

Though this one is explicitly about the film, it was a book first, so I guess it counts if the goal is strictly title.

martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Queen and their Marx Brothers albums

mottdeterre (mottdeterre), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

But seriously, do you think Messrs. Hetfield, Ulrich et al. are versed in the great man's works?

it's been on the reading lists for california high schools since forever. since metal kids are always secret nerds i'd say there's a good chance they read it.

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

but wait, isn't the video for "one" based on *farewell to arms ?

chuck, Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The Fall again - "Dice Man"

(I actually bought this after owning Dragnet but Mark E. was right it is a dangerous book in impressionable teenage hands.)

Kate Bush - "Wuthering Heights"

noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

but wait, isn't the video for "one" based on *farewell to arms ?

That title wasn't supposed to be taken literally, chuck.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Or maybe you were joking.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Now I feel like Nowell.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, Alex. Can you switch Aja on? I'm suddenly feeling lonely.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

hawkwind

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I can tell you that Shriekback probably didn't read Flannery O'Connor's Everything That Rises Must Converge. There's another band I read about who had a song with that name but I can't think of who it was for the life of me...

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

what?? why not?? it's only 14 pages long!! and it's a classic!!

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

but wait, isn't the video for "one" based on *farewell to arms ?

I understand this is a tasteless joke, but I believe the song is based on the book "Johnny Got His Gun", and video features portions of the film (starring Jason Robards).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The Handsome Family do "Everything That Rises Must Converge" -- it's at least partly literally about things rising and converging.

Paul Eater (eater), Saturday, 20 November 2004 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Dead Souls

M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Saturday, 20 November 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, Ian Curtis was a big 19th century Russian lit buff from what I know. (Joy Division has a few of these: "Atrocity Exhibition", "Interzone". I haven't read either of those.) Mind you, it might have actually been more interesting if they had done a song that was actually based on the story or characters of Dead Souls. May have added a lighter, humorous dimension to their oeuvre!

"Venus In Furs" is another example. I haven't read the original of that either.

And of course there was the band The Grapes of Wrath. And old Ottawa hc act Threepenny Opera.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 20 November 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Music Adaptions of literature

(somebody suggests 'The Holy Bible' on there, heh)

M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Saturday, 20 November 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i doubt metallica can read

the one, Saturday, 20 November 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Iron Maiden - "From Here to Eternity", "Phantom of the Opera", "Stranger in a Strange Land", "Murders in the Rue Morgue", "Revelations"
-- darin (darin...), November 20th, 2004.

not to mention rhyme of the ancient mariner...

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet they misspelled it too. "Rime..."

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Ax-ually the Fall's very name is a Camus cop. Duran Duran also got "Wild Boys" from Burroughs.

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Saturday, 20 November 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

To be fair to Metallica, Hemingway himself swiped the title from an essay by poet-philosopher John Donne:

"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. Therefore, never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

(Meditation XVII, 1624.)

Palomino (Palomino), Saturday, 20 November 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm. Well, there ya go. Cheers, Palomino.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 20 November 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

please read the damn book... it's worth your time...even if your time is absolutely worthless...(or for 'even', read 'especially' lars)

irrigation can save your village, Sunday, 21 November 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Have Husker Du played the board game?

I wrote a song entitled 'Death of a Salesman'. I've never seen it performed or read it.

Sasha (sgh), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

the best john donne is "to his coy mistress" (might have the title slightly muxed up.. maybe it's "to my coy mistress"--you get the idea. it rules.)

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah it's great - it's by Andrew Marvell though. Donne has a 'To His Mistress Going To Bed'. I always get the poets mixed up myself - though I usually confuse Coy Mistress with Donne's 'The Sun Rising'. Anyway, here they are for everyone's enjoyment.


John Donne -- To His Mistress Going to Bed


Come, Madam, come, all rest my powers defie,
Until I labor, I in labour lie.
The foe oft-times having the foe in sight,
Is tir'd with standing though he never fight.
Off with that girdle, like heavens Zone glistering,
But a far fairer world incompassing.
Unpin that spangled breastplate which you wear,
That th'eyes of busie fooles may be stopt there.
Unlace your self, for that harmonious chyme,
Tells me from you, that now it is bed time.
Off with that happy busk, which I envie,
That still can be, and still can stand so nigh.
Your gown going off, such beautious state reveals,
As when from flowry meads th'hills shadow steals.
Off with that wyerie Coronet and shew
The haiery Diademe which on you doth grow:
Now off with those shooes, and then safely tread
In this loves hallow'd temple, this soft bed.
In such white robes, heaven's Angels us'd to be
Receavd by men; Thou Angel bringst with thee
A heaven like Mahomets Paradice; and though
Ill spirits walk in white, we easily know,
By this these Angels from an evil sprite,
Those set our hairs, but these our flesh upright.


Licence my roving hands, and let them go,
Before, behind, between, above, below.
O my America! my new-found-land,
My kingdome, safeliest when with one man man'd,
My Myne of precious stones, My Emperie,
How blest am I in this discovering thee!
To enter in these bonds, is to be free;
Then where my hand is set, my seal shall be.


Full nakedness! All joyes are due to thee,
As souls unbodied, bodies uncloth'd must be,
To taste whole joyes. Gems which you women use
Are like Atlanta's balls, cast in mens views,
That when a fools eye lighteth on a Gem,
His earthly soul may covet theirs, not them.
Like pictures, or like books gay coverings made
For lay-men, are all women thus array'd;
Themselves are mystick books, which only wee
(Whom their imputed grace will dignifie)
Must see reveal'd. Then since that I may know;
As liberally, as to a Midwife, shew
Thy self: cast all, yea, this white lynnen hence,
There is no pennance due to innocence.


To teach thee, I am naked first; why then
What needst thou have more covering than a man.


Andrew Marvell -- To His Coy Mistress


Had we but World enough, and Time,
This coyness, Lady, were no crime.
We would sit down, and think which way
To walk, and pass our long love's day.
Thou by the Indian Ganges side
Should'st rubies find: I by the tide
Of Humber would complain. I would
Love you ten years before the Flood:
And you should if you please refuse
Till the conversion of the Jews.
My vegetable love should grow
Vaster than empires, and more slow.
An hundred years should go to praise
Thine eyes, and on thy forehead gaze.
Two hundred to adore each breast:
But thirty thousand to the rest.
An age at least to every part,
And the last age should show your heart.
For, Lady, you deserve this state;
Nor would I love at lower rate.


But at my back I always hear
Time's wingèd chariot drawing near:
And yonder all before us lie
Deserts of vast Eternity.
Thy beauty shall no more be found;
Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound
My echoing song: then worms shall try
That long preserved virginity:
And your quaint honour turn to dust;
And into ashes all my lust.
The grave's a fine and private place,
But none I think do there embrace.


Now therefore, while the youthful hue
Sits on thy skin by morning dew,
And while thy willing soul transpires
At every pore with instant fires,
Now let us sport us while we may;
And now, like amorous birds of prey,
Rather at once our time devour,
Than languish in his slow-chapt power.
Let us roll all our strength, and all
Our sweetness, up into one ball:
And tear our pleasures with rough strife,
Through the iron gates of life.
Thus, though we cannot make our sun
Stand still, yet we will make him run.


THE SUN RISING.
by John Donne


BUSY old fool, unruly Sun,
Why dost thou thus,
Through windows, and through curtains, call on us ?
Must to thy motions lovers' seasons run ?
Saucy pedantic wretch, go chide
Late school-boys and sour prentices,
Go tell court-huntsmen that the king will ride,
Call country ants to harvest offices ;
Love, all alike, no season knows nor clime,
Nor hours, days, months, which are the rags of time.

Thy beams so reverend, and strong
Why shouldst thou think ?
I could eclipse and cloud them with a wink,
But that I would not lose her sight so long.
If her eyes have not blinded thine,
Look, and to-morrow late tell me,
Whether both th' Indias of spice and mine
Be where thou left'st them, or lie here with me.
Ask for those kings whom thou saw'st yesterday,
And thou shalt hear, "All here in one bed lay."

She's all states, and all princes I ;
Nothing else is ;
Princes do but play us ; compared to this,
All honour's mimic, all wealth alchemy.
Thou, Sun, art half as happy as we,
In that the world's contracted thus ;
Thine age asks ease, and since thy duties be
To warm the world, that's done in warming us.
Shine here to us, and thou art everywhere ;
This bed thy center is, these walls thy sphere.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

You're a treat, Kevin! It's been like two years since I read either of those. Thanks.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

(ANY of those, not either.)

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"Johnny Got His Gun" is by Dalton Trumbo, for the record. Also, I never got why "Everything that Rises Must Converge" is called that (the story), but I suppose that's typical Flannery O'Connor for you.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)


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