― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 29 November 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 29 November 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Acme (acme), Monday, 29 November 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 29 November 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Acme (acme), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bumfluff, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― bulbs (bulbs), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)
I mean, the way I see it, artistic integrity is mostly about making music (or art) that you yourself think of as important, regardless of it selling or not. And then, if it appears to sell, then it seems that your taste sort of mixed well with the general public's taste.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)
I might add that I've been researching in those links provided earlier and feel much better equipped to talk about this subject now, thanks again Joseph & Acme.x-post yes indeed Geir, I couldn't agree more. However, they have put me on a panel with this subject. and I do think it's an issue every artist must addres sooner or later, so fair play. The fact i haven't addressed it is down to my laziness and lack of intelligence - and I have paid for it as a result, not that I'm conplaining.
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)
* if the intersection is very large that may mean, but does not necessarily mean, that you will get paid. You may sign a bad deal, for example.
*if the intersection is relatively small, that may mean, but does not necessarily mean, that you will not get paid. If you are canny, you can still make music, and a living, with a small audience.
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)
the s stands for son?
col if being a chancer is your version of artistic integrity (and i think being atopos is a very defensible, er, position) then why not talk about it? and i'd guess a panel of business experts are very keen to hear about someone producing value whilst being predisposed to "casualisation"
― bulbs (bulbs), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)
Well there is that angle. I have taken that angle before and people have walked out and I've never been invited back. But it's definitely an option. what do you think?
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― bulbs (bulbs), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― bulbs (bulbs), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)
Bulbs, I cannae just bail. I agreed to do it!
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)
i have great admiration -- while sometimes but not always liking the actual music -- for artists like robert pollard, they might be giants, superchunk and ween, who have all done variations on the same basic career arc: spit out a bunch of music when you're starting out, connect with a small but passionate audience, connect with a bigger audience in a fleeting way if you're lucky (ween's "push th' little daises,' fer instance), but don't worry at all about that bigger audience as you keep moving on, just worry about the small but passionate cult while you relentlessly continue to do what you set out to do in the first place: make the music you love to make, make yourself happy, sign good contracts, pay your bills.
the chances that any of the above will ever spit out a gold record is cloze to zero. but the chances they will continue to make money with every record and every tour and every project is seemingly pretty high. and that to me is getting paid.
here's a good article from the new yorker on they might be giants, who "gross between one and two million dollars a year, a sum that would barely cover mariah carey's manicure budget, but which, even after expenses, provides flansburgh and linnell with a tidy income and that most elusive of commodities, artistic freedom."
they might be giants have diversified as they've gone along their merry way, running a record label here, making a children's album there, doing jingles over thataway. robert pollard has basically concentrated on a single commodity, his pop-rockist songs, making four, five or six albums' worth of 'em every year. but they've both paid close attention to the business of what they do, and they've both refused to stop believing in themselves, which i imagine is part of what "integrity" is all about.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― bulbs (bulbs), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― bulbs (bulbs), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)
Great post fact checking cuz, and thanks for the article link and ideas.
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)
Does perception of artist's integrity enter the discussion here?
― max davenport (axehead), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)
http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000243021290/
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)
(if not one imagines you have plenty of material to free-form on about perhaps making the music one has been making for years, suddenly achieving popular success but still not coining it bigtime; changing band name at peak of popularity (and label?) and how this may affect cred vs income OR NOT; former band members later taking overly commercial direction with music for multinationals while other members start own indie labels etc etc)
[or y'know if you're only there for DJing really, stand up and say "It can't be done! Next question?" then sit down and start re-sorting your record box from BPM to sleeve colour, everyone laughs and slaps your shoulder later]
― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)
hahahhahahahahaha
― bulbs (bulbs), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)