Comps on 2004 poll or no?

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OK, since everyone appears to have a different, conflicting opinion on this, I'm putting it to a vote. There are four options:

1a. We have the comps poll, and include everything from DJ mixes to re-issues to single-artist best ofs and genre comps.

1b. We have the comps poll, but only include dj mixes and other mixtapes, not single-artist best ofs or re-issues.

2a. We don't have the comps poll, but we allow comps to be eligible for the albums poll.

2b. We don't allow comps to be eligible at all.

Vote, please.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

2a!!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I vote 1a, for the record.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"Nothing is more obstinate than a fashionable consensus."
- Margaret Thatcher

― john'n'chicago, Monday, 29 November 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I think 1a sounds best. I mean, some people on the list love the DJ mixes, and others (like myself) may have spent the year buying up quite a few reissues.

― Jonathan (Jonathan), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem is lots of people don't focus a huge amount of time on JUST reissues etc. but they do love comps and such that came out this year. The Favela Booty Beats comp is one of my favorite albums of the year - why should it be ranked seperately from my other favorite albums?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

2a - everything, album wise, on the same poll.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

The comps thing bothers me less than the Mix thing! Mixes are records dammit!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

when you say 2a, are you talking about the 1a or 1b definition of comps?

― lemin (lemin), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

We allow everything to be included (except straight reissues) on the albums poll.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

What about single-artist best-ofs with no new material, Alex?

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

My inclination is to exclude them too or have a reissue/newly repackaged old stuff category to catch em all. But even including ALL of them in the albums poll sounds better than separating mixes and comps from albums.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

agreeance w/ alex.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

What about having three categories, like so:

New Artist Albums

DJ mixes, dance / electronic / hip hop/ beats and blips etc various artists comps

Reissues: Single Artist compilations, expanded reissues, Box sets and other retro rock compilations such as Left of the Dial

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds ridiculously complicated. I can totally fit dj mixes from hip-hop, dance, and various artist comps into my best albums list.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, DJM, that seems a bit much to ask of people.

What would people think, though, about combining new artist albums with DJ mixes and having a separate category for single-artist compilations, expanded re-issues and so forth? That might be a good, not too complicated compromise.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost) No, no, FEWER, not more categories is better. That's what's guiding me -- I've only heard two or three DJ mixes, and only one reissue, so I want to be able to consider all of them in ALBUMS.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm okay with that suggestion, Dr. Bill.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(I know I just contradicted myself by agreeing to that, but it's really only the DJ mix that I care about voting for.)

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I love that last suggestion. Would that be 3a.? I vote 3a.

― danh (danh), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I am good with Bill's last suggestion. I guess I change my vote to 3a.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

to clarify - 3a means "Calling out of Context" would be a seperate category, but DJ Kicks, MIA, Favela Booty Beats, hip-hop mixtapes - those would all be albums?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Arthur Russell, Mutant Disco, Metal Urbain, etc, would be separate and all mixes would be albums.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Under my suggestion:

Calling Out of Context would be in reissues.

DJ Kicks, MIA, Favela Booty Beats, hip-hop mixtapes - would be mixes

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, does anyone here have a specific problem with new option 3a?

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

this option gives people the flexibility to opt in/ out.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

right. Think it's good.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't really understand why MIA is not considered a proper album/DJ mix but oh no! 3a means I can't vote for it if lists of one are not allowed.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

No 3a means it is the same as any other album.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh OK, I was just confused with DJ Martian's post saying it was a mix.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

It also means that on the 3rd Saturday of any month in which there is a full moon all singles over 5 minutes count as LPs UNLESS the b-side of the aformentioned single is a novelty recording of a classic polka tune done death metal style.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

novelty recording of a classic polka tune done death metal style.

I think there's a song like that on the Lil Jon album.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

It's eliminated then and can only be voted in category 4b, but you must vote for a mininum of 6 and 1/3 tracks in that category and divide the points allocated using the equation E2-E4/Y=Honky Tonk Women @ 33 1/3.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

No matter what, M.I.A. is counting as a regular album.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

clarify again:

this is 3a:

What about having three categories, like so:

Category: New Artist Albums

Category: DJ mixes: dance / electronic / hip hop/ beats and blips etc various artists comps

Category Reissues: Single Artist compilations, expanded reissues, Box sets and other retro rock compilations such as Left of the Dial

MIA you mean

M.I.A. / Diplo
Piracy Funds Terrorism, Vol. 1
[Hollertronix; 2004]
Rating: 8.5
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/m/mia/piracy-funds-terrorism.shtml

This goes into Mixes.

If MIA released Arular in 2004 it would go into New Albums.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

"What would people think, though, about combining new artist albums with DJ mixes and having a separate category for single-artist compilations, expanded re-issues and so forth? That might be a good, not too complicated compromise."

This is what we are doing, right? Stop confusing people, Mr. Martin Martians!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex in SF your the one that's confused !

Bring back, The Good Dr. Bill

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

DJ Martian:

-- The Good Dr. Bill (fadeout9...), November 29th, 2004 3:34 PM. (The Good Dr. Bill) (link)

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(xpost) No, no, FEWER, not more categories is better. That's what's guiding me -- I've only heard two or three DJ mixes, and only one reissue, so I want to be able to consider all of them in ALBUMS.
-- Sanjay McDougal (jmcunnin...), November 29th, 2004 3:36 PM. (jaymc) (link)

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I'm okay with that suggestion, Dr. Bill.
-- Sanjay McDougal (jmcunnin...), November 29th, 2004 3:37 PM. (jaymc) (link)

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(I know I just contradicted myself by agreeing to that, but it's really only the DJ mix that I care about voting for.)
-- Sanjay McDougal (jmcunnin...), November 29th, 2004 3:37 PM. (jaymc) (link)

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I love that last suggestion. Would that be 3a.? I vote 3a.
-- danh (dan_haa...), November 29th, 2004 3:38 PM. (danh) (link)

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

lets just assume ppl still voting 2a who have not read the thread are actually voting for 3a

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

2a.

― chuck, Monday, 29 November 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

2a. gordian knot. yes i haev read the thread.

― :| (....), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Times like this I really wish there was an "edit" function on this board.

DJM, Alex is right--the option 3a calls for DJ mixes/mixtapes and so forth counting as albums, and re-issues, box sets and single artist best-ofs counting as comps.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

yes i haev read the thread.

So does that mean you have a problem with option 3a? If so, what is it?

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

this is what i loved and refered to as 3a.

― danh (danh), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know if anyone's planning on voting for any, but can I assume multi-artist soundtracks would count as albums, too?

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

OK my Option is 4 then.

Anyway, I still think my option is the best comparing: as it compares oranges with oranges [new artist albums], Apples and Apples [dj Mixes] and Bananas with Bananas [Reissues]

If people aren't interested in mixes or reissues - don't vote in these categories.

All British magazines separate out dj mix compilations, it's only the wacky Americans that chuck everything in together.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"Calling out of Context" is not a reissue or a compliation. Correct me here but i thought it was a whole album that had never been released before.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

under option 3a, then yes.

x-post.

DJ, I agree with you, but I just think it's going to frustrate people into not voting for anything at all. And it's just not worth it.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

it's counted as contextual reissue single artist compilation [in the sense that unfortunately the bloke is not around to record new material]

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Dr. Bill and DJ are nuts, its all music of its time, why on earth would you seperate them!?

And I'd like someone to address the "Calling out of Context" question.

Do we need a new poll...3a vs. 2a?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Dj Martian -- again, I'd totally agree with you about separating everything out if I'd actually heard more than a couple DJ mixes and more than a couple reissues. As it stands, I still think you're going to get a lot of ballots in the comp category to the effect of 1. Crooked Rain Crooked Rain 2. London Calling [END OF LIST] ... but I'll let that get sorted out on its own.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the comp category would also include lots of soul-jazz albums and that italo-disco shit, right?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess I thought those were "mixes."

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

They're not mixed though, and all the songs are like 20-30 years old.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

DJ Martian: The Voice of Reason

FACT:
Every dance magazine I have seen in the past decade e.g Muzik, Mixmag, DJ, Jockey Slut, Update magazine etc separates out Mix compilations into their own end of year chart.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

FACT:
ILM is not a dance magazine.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

1a ... by far my strongest preference

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"Every dance magazine I have seen in the past decade e.g Muzik, Mixmag, DJ, Jockey Slut, Update magazine etc separates out Mix compilations into their own end of year chart."

They are all wrong.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Andy K goes for the compromise [but still separates new artist albums and mixes]

New Artist Albums
All Compilations, reissues and Mixes together
http://www.jodeeandy.com/doubtbeat/b2004.htm

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

They're not mixed though, and all the songs are like 20-30 years old.

Right -- but I guess I thought the difference between the categories was multi-artist and single-artist. Is it more like original work vs. non-original work? Where DJ mixes are considered original work because the mixing is new? Are hip-hop mixtapes the same idea (sorry, I've never heard a hip-hop mixtape)?

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

So does that mean you have a problem with option 3a? If so, what is it?

the problem is that i only distiguish between albums and singles. albums here = more than one title; not classified as ep*; released this year, new or not. albums /= "unit as the artist intedned it" or whatever, hence all comps count, single artist or not.

*) which reminds me. can we haev a separate ep poll? pretty please? i wouldnt want to have to pick a favourite from "voltage" or "disco lunar module" or "niagara falls" really.

― :| (....), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Alright I am changing my mind and going back to 2a with everything not a single being included as an album cuz this is just getting stupid complicated.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost I'm just making it MORE complicated now:) What about the SpongeBob Squarepants OST? Featuring all-new songs from a variety of bands?

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Most hip-hop mixtapes are by one DJ and consist of very recent music.

I'm very confused about where lots of things would fit.

The Chicago Trax comp, for one thing, which has DJ mixes of very old tracks, and what about that Britney Best Of?

I'm going to jock alex and say that 2a looks like the best way of clearing this up - simplify it, don't try to seperate all this shit. 2a it is.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I right that part of the problem is a lot of these comps are of old music?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i go for 2a too.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

hip-hop mixtapes, favela booty beats, that sort of thing - those are fairly recent. Souljazz comps, Trax 20th anniversary...those are CD repackaging/reissues of much older music. Calling out of Context throws ANOTHER wrench into it by being old music that had never been previously issued.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I've now read the rest of the thread and I prefer 3a.

However, what about multi-artist compilations? I don't think these haven't been mentioned yet, but I assume this would fall under the new albums/DJ mixes category. Stuff like Kompakt 100, or the MUTEK 2004 comp, which both contain previously unreleased material.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

There are at least two types of compilations IMO

"Greatest Hits" certainly don't belong in a year-end list, as they usually consist of older material. This also goes for compilations of "classic" tracks from the past.

However, I can understand the electronica/dance fans wanting to be able to vote for compilations, as within that genre, DJ mix albums are certainly very much an important kind of album.

Personally, I have no compilations in my year-end list, but due him singing new material on top, Erlend Øye's "DJ Kicks" I have chosen to let in.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

kompakt 100 fits in w/ favela booty beats and hip-hop mixtapes i would think.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Come to think of it, the only different between 2a and 3a right now is the reissues poll with the latter ... essentially the 2a and 3a albums categories are identical so 2a does look to be simpler.

xpost

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Assuming we choose 2a.

Would it then be alright to vote for Chicago Trax 20th anniversary set in albums?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not a single.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

did it come out this year? if so, yes. crosspost.

― :| (....), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

my fav album this year happens to be scorns "list of takers" which is a dj mix, one artist comp, and live album all rolled into one. so fuck this shit.

― :| (....), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

You should heap scorn on us.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

youre all on my list of takers, yes.

― :| (....), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is more fun than the actual poll can posibly be.

― :| (....), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's always like that though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Scorn, I would technically count as a New Release by a single artist:

http://www.funprox.com/reviews/review.asp?show=1143

After a lot of silence, there is finally a new release by Mick Harris (Scorn, Napalm Death, Quoit, Painkiller). This new release by Scorn is not a new studio album but a recording of a live set that was done for a radio show on Breaks FM.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

It consists of a single track of over 70 minutes long with a varied array of tracks from Mick Harris.

see, its also a single artist comp. and a single! its only one track. i forsee a landslide victory in all categories.

― :| (....), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, 2a is official. Everything that cannot be construed as a single counts as an album, including any perceivable form of compilation. Chances are if it doesn't deserve to be counted, not many people will vote for it anyway.

You guys are no fun sometimes.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Bill, I'm sorry to make it difficult for you. I just think it's a particularly tricky situation. Apologies.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 06:42 (twenty-one years ago)

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