Taking Sides: The Lords of the New Church vs. the Fleshtones

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I'm having an undersung 80's night. Speak it!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Overproduced goth-pop VS diehard garage rock. Like choosing between hairspray and Vitalis. I'll go with the Lords, though I would've picked the Fleshtones way back when.

― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how the Fleshtones photo just makes me think of Front 242.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i think hexbreaker was the only fleshtones song that i really really liked as a pup, but the lords had at least, um, 3 songs that i really really liked.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

dance with me, russian roulette, and live for today. there, i thought of them. i kinda wish i had a copy of the first album.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

One day. (Received yer package in the mail today, Scott, thanks!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The Lords. Saw the Fleshtones once at Emo's in Austin and aside from the gimmick of marching in playing their instruments, they were totally underwhelming. Best song they did was a cover of Spirit's "I Got a Line on You."

― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

How bizarre, I just heard that Spirit song for the first time today! (And very good it was.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

super rock hexbreakers for me, in honor of my buddy ted, with whom i bonded over fleshtones my freshman year of college, ted r.i.p.

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Goddang. Eight answers in the THE LORDS be winnin'!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

No contest for me. Lords. I don't think the Fleshtones ever made a single impression on me.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The first Lords of the New Church album would be great if you stripped off some of that reverb. It has some good songs, but it sounds like it is recorded in a missile silo.

― earlnash, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll stick up for the Fleshtones! Blast Off was a great album. I only have one song by Lords of the New Church and it's horribly overproduced, could hardly believe it was by ex-Dead Boys and Damned members!

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Stiv Bators + Brian James + "Kermit" Treganna = punk legend supergroup (fwiw I was at their first ever gig at The Clarendon when they had Rat Scabies on drums and were billed as "The DamneDeadShamband").

Fleshtones = some rather anaemic shades with which to paint your toe nails.

No contest.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how the Fleshtones photo just makes me think of Front 242.
Ahh, the Atomium. I would agree, but it makes me think of Hooverphonic.

― Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

CHORDS OF THE NEW LURCH.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

*Best song they did was a cover of Spirit's "I Got a Line on You." *

This reminded me of seeing the Fleshtones in 83, encoring with Sylvester's "Do You Wonna Funk?" Non-garage covers were the path not taken. Blast Off! had a version of "Rocket USA" sung by Alan Vega.

Woke up today singing "won't you DA-AANCE with me/rit-u-al fertility" or whatever it was. Good ol' Stiv (sigh)...

― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Surprised the Fleshtones aren't getting more love here. I was never a fan of their music (well, "Right Side of a Good Thing" is a great track), but I thought Peter Zaremba was a pretty amusing character at the time.

That said, of course I prefer the Lords. I never really found them all that credibly "goth," though. For a start, as pointed out above, they were all refugees from Punk bands. The pedigree was so promising, but the production lacked the oomph and weight of the recordings of their respective parent groups (Dead Boys, Damned, Sham 69 and the Barracudas, respectively). "Open Your Eyes", "Dance With Me" and their cover of "Like a Virgin" (far and away their very finest hour) still work for me. Some say Stiv affected a faux-Brit accent annoying, but as far as I'm concerned, Stiv could do whatever he wanted and still be cool (albeit in an entirely grotesque sorta way). There's a "new" Lords of the New Church making the `rounds today, but I've not heard them (nor harbor a desire to).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll go with the Lords too, as I was never even sufficiently excited about the Fleshtones to even track down one of their albums used.

― hector (hector), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"Right Side of a Good Thing" is a great track

besides that and "Roman Gods," did they record anything else worth hearing?

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

"There's a "new" Lords of the New Church making the `rounds today, but I've not heard them (nor harbor a desire to...."

Good grief, who's in that then? Stiv's dead obviously, Kermit's playing bass for The Brian James Gang (amongst others - saw him playing for Splodgenessabounds of all people before Xmas!) so who does that leave who might actually have been in the original band, just the bleedin' drummer?!?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you see Splodge at the Wasted all-dayer at the Astoria? I was at that gig, didn't get there til the Vibrators were on though.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I certainly was, great gig.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the fleshtones were a great live band and the lords were a joke.

― dan (dan), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

In 2001, Twelve years since the infamous classic Lords Last Stand at The Astoria Ballroom in 1989, when Stiv sacked all the other members of the band live on stage, Brian James and Dave Tregunna put together a new Lords line up, consisting of: Brian James - Guitar, Dave Tregunna - Bass and Backing Vocals, Steven Marque - Vocals, Jez Miller (ex-The Pleasure Victims) - Vocals and Guitar and Ozzy (Ex- Gunfire Dance) - Drums. They released the CD single 'Believe it or Not', featuring three new songs: "Baby Babylon," The Devil You Know" and "Hashashin." Spring 2002 saw them on the road, undertaking an extensive European tour .

Ho hum....

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.angelsinexile.i12.com/lords/images/lordsad.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Stiv would not approve.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Forgive my ignorance (and deliberate ignoring of some prior posts) but who the heck is in that picture? My guess is the last two guys are Peter Buck and Jessie Malin, is that his name? from D-Generation, and the other three guys are ringers they met at Continental.

― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

They released the CD single 'Believe it or Not',

Wow. I'd love to hear their version of the Greatest American Hero theme song! Love!

also, I'd go with the Fleshtones for the above mentioned "Right Side of a Good Thing" and for Peter Zaremba's hosting of IRS's The Cutting Edge...

― john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesse Malin is not in the new Lords (I don't think any of them are anymore, actually). Jesse's doin' a solo thing these days.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

said you should be nice boys
like all them other wimps
i talk about conspiracies
they crack the whip

― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:18 (fifteen years ago)

just sayin...

― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:19 (fifteen years ago)

six months pass...

Ian McKellen + Warhol's Factory + The Fleshtones + Shakespeare's Sonnet 20 =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtZadebVKHw

― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:13 (fifteen years ago)

imagining andy at his most deadpan: "gee ian that's uh great..."

― electrophonic gin & tonic (m coleman), Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:52 (fifteen years ago)

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