I'm bored and I wanna make some beats. Where do I start?

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'Cause I want to prove that "rock critics are failed musicians" myth, but see if it works after you become a rock critic instead of before. I've got tons of potential sample sources and a copy of GoldWave for editing the sounds themselves, so what's a good entry-level program to tinker with? I don't want to spend $350 on some software only to find out it's too big a pain in the ass and takes months to learn, during which time I may get bored and decide to start working on model cars again instead.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I just d/l'd AudioMulch (audiomulch.com) and it is the shit and free for 90 days, the duration of your enfatuation. Somebody suggested it on another thread, and I'd like to thank that person.

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:59 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG X 10. This should be fun. Especially since it appears to support .WAV samples and squonky 303-ness. And it's only $50! Hot shit~!

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

dude fuck with the "bubble blower" toy and the ez-2-use granular synth toy of course. sample your favorite films and make weird music! also go to slsk and type in "vst plug ins" audio mulch supports these in real time and its real fun. if you want to record yourself jammin you have to double click on the "sound out" box. if you want to make looks and import em then just "save as".

― chaki in charge (chaki), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, this is bananas! I've managed to make some fucked up drone loops but I'm not sure yet how to structure things in a build-up sense (start with the bassline, then bring in drums a few beats later, then bring in a digitally-mangled sample of the guitar riff from "N.I.B." a few beats after that). Is that all done in realtime? The tutorial's a good start but doesn't seem entirely complete in that regards.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

This has promise, too. No demo, but it's only $40.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 20 January 2005 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

u dont have to do it in real time! theres a envelope option you can preprogram on the bottom of the screen. set it, push play and enjoy!

― chaki in charge (chaki), Thursday, 20 January 2005 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

INfatuation, I meant. But anyway, yes isn't it COOL? The possibilities...

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 20 January 2005 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Can someone please help me with this Audiomulch thing? I can't even get started.

― Help, Thursday, 20 January 2005 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd recommend Cubasis - an entry-level version of Cubase with loads of VST instruments for about 50 quid!

― Jez (Jez), Thursday, 20 January 2005 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, this might be the first time I could use ILM to bust someone for a copyright violation. But I won't!

SSk a pirated copy of FruityLoops, is my reccomendation. Then if you like it you can save up some dough and buy the Studio edition. Sweet.

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Audio Mulch might seem like a bit much at first, as it is very modular and can be used for many different things. My advise is to open some of the sample songs and kind of see how they have things routed around. There are some that already have the drum machine and the 303 style synth module hooked up.

― earlnash, Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Try Propellerheads' Reason... There's a cheap version now. And a downloadable demo. Works fine without having to have the greatest, fastest computer...

― Diego Valladolid (dvalladt), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, does anyone know anything about that new iDrum program? i can't tell if i think it looks cheap and crappy or inexpensive and clever.

― the leglo (the leglo), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Fruityloops.

― scg, Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Fruityloops thirded.

― Jole, Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

And we all know Reinhard Voigt does all his tracks in Fruity Loops.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Get a copy of Cool Edit 2 to replace Goldwave. It's just as simple, just as free (easily pirated), and can do a hell of a lot more.

― David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure if Cubase is a good place to start. I'd been making music for years, but it took me over a year to get used to Cubase, and I still find out new functions 5 years later.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck you guys, make your own music software

http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html

― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, can anyone get pd to work properly on a mac? i'm no expert at it, but i can't get it to work.

― the leglo (the leglo), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Good to see the Audiomulch love on this thread. It's one of the most perfectly balanced music applications ever, although much more suited to processing and improvisation than to making sequenced tracks on. It's Fourtet's weapon of choice when it comes to sound mangling. To clear up one point from above it isn't just free for ninety days but forever if you keep d/ling the current and unexpired version. That said, you should register it as Ross deserves yr money.

In terms of easy to pick up sequencers I'd recommend Tracktion over Fruity Loops/Studio. Version one of Tracktion was free during December up until, unfortunately, January 15th. This is because version two is imminent and they wanted to expand the user base. Because of this however I have no qualms telling you that you can get a craxxed vers of Tracktion from the user alien_brain on 50u1533k. He also has Fruity and a lot of VST plugins. Also bear in mind that you can use Fruity w/in Tracktion as a VST plug.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

But I love Goldwave! It's such an unreasonable affection, I know, but it feels like such an old friend now. Mmmm, audio programs as warm blankets...

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 20 January 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a question re audiomulch - do I need an external midi source to make some of the sysnths & drum machines I have downloaded work?
[e.g. http://www.stefan-kuhn.net/content/vivaldimx.html
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http://www.stefan-kuhn.net/content/vivaldimx.html]

― hmmm (hmmm), Thursday, 20 January 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

So I assume you can import/export wav files in Audiomulch, right?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 January 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Yep.

― hmmm (hmmm), Thursday, 20 January 2005 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm afriad I don't see how the two connect. Sorry.

― hmmm (hmmm), Thursday, 20 January 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I also may have misunderstood your question. Are you aksing a general Audiomulch question or are you answering mine?

― hmmm (hmmm), Thursday, 20 January 2005 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Me? I was just asking a general question to see how easily I could use Audiomulch with Cubase. I can't help with yours, sorry. :>

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 January 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck, I just use a cheap microphone, Windows Sound Recorder (to limit the samples mathematically in order to maintain a rhythm), Audacity (for mixing), plus I'll sample from KBPiano (if I don't feel so dissonant) or collect beats from Hammerhead Rhythm Station. And then I distort everything to hell and it come out like New Poverty for a New Proletariat. That's the latest one I made...it's not my favourite (and I fear it's unintentionally derivative of Coil, 23 Skidoo, and The Missing Brazilians, even though I created it while trying to come up with a jazzy beat!) but likeable, methinks.

All those programmes I mentioned are free, by the way...just Google them and download!

― Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 20 January 2005 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, can anyone get pd to work properly on a mac? i'm no expert at it, but i can't get it to work.

-- the leglo (will.st...) (webmail), January 20th, 2005 12:51 PM. (the leglo) (link)

works fine for me

― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Thursday, 20 January 2005 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

have a question re audiomulch - do I need an external midi source to make some of the sysnths & drum machines I have downloaded work?

according to the help files you need an external midi sequencer, synched to audiomulch via internal midi clock.

― superultramega (superultramarinated), Thursday, 20 January 2005 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

could somebody please tell me how i record stuff to a WAV file from Audiomulch in REAL TIME. E.g so i can have it recording while i click around and take bits out and put them back in etc??

so i dont have to record through computer speakers and have mouse clicks everywhere

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Thursday, 20 January 2005 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Hari - to record to a wave file from Audiomulch -

Right click on the sound out and click on edit. You will now get a dialogue box in the right hand window giving you the option to record.

Hmmmm - to play VST instruments (Like Vivaldi) you'll either need an external midi keyboard, or there is a way to lash stuff together using Hubi's Loopback Device to be able to use yr computer keyboard to act like a midi keyboard. Is this what y're after? If so holler and I'll look up the info tomorrow. I'm off to bed now.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck all of this. Just get a paint bucket and a couple of sticks

― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

awesome thanks a lot

xpost

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Look for an AdrenaLinn I. Currently, AdrenaLinn II is the newest model, so I boxes should go significantly cheaper. Plus, it's hardware and won't go out of date with your aging computer and its software. It also gives you an excuse to buy a dirt cheap guitar -- you shouldn't have to spend more than 90 bucks for one that would sound fine -- and really plonk around at being a musician.

The Adrenalinn almost plays itself, too, which has advantages.

― George Smith, Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

It's kind of a combination of the LinnDrum and the old Seamoon Funk Machine. And if that doesn't spell b-e-a-t-s, I don't know what does.

― George Smith, Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i just did possibly the worlds worst remix of 'what you waiting for'

although it does have a kind of rex the dog feel.

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Friday, 21 January 2005 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a hollerin'.... I've put my proper email address in so you can send it there if you like. Thanks. I figured the midi keyboard thing out last night after I posted but It'll be a wee while before I get one so some sort of interim solution would be great.

I'm also suffering quite badly from a delay on my guitar when it goes in to the computer. Do you know of any way to assist with this (I've done the whole settings / buffer thing). I'm thinking a new sound card is going to be required....

― hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 21 January 2005 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

You need a card with good ASIO drivers, like an Audiophile 2496.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 21 January 2005 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Ijust got fruityloops from slsk. fucking hell. It looks just like what I'm after.

― hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 21 January 2005 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm also suffering quite badly from a delay on my guitar when it goes in to the computer

Latency is a problem when the computer is doing the audio processing of the guitar, not just the digital conversion. Move the process outside the computer, off the PC's resources. In other words, use one of the amp emulators, like a SansAmp, or POD, or KORG Ampworks, or even a fuzztone or overdrive.

― George Smith, Friday, 21 January 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Great, thanks.

― hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmmm - if y're suffering latancy, you could try Asio4all which will install ASIO drivers on any soundcard. It may not be ideal but it'll be may be better.

You can get 'em here:

http://michael.tippach.bei.t-online.de/asio4all/

I'll come back with that other stuff for you shortly - I just need to work out how to do it!

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Remeber people - it's not the sequencer you use, in reality they're ALL good. It's the quality of the samples/soundsources you use.

If anyone wants to give me a holler I can be on the DC++ ILX hub at a convienient time and you can delve into my 20 odd gig or so of them with free advice and a friendly smile (that's samples, which are my own, not cracked software oh you, you spying little legal lawyer man)

― why must we cut onions? (Lynskey), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

feds tried to take my pc cos
all they could see
is that i had crack and acid
little did they know
they weren't crack or acid
it was the crack for acid
i got the crack for acid
pro, fruityloops, logic and reason
[...] soundforge keygens

- j-me

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey hmmmm, here's the final installment - to play using yr computer keyboard in audiomulch you'll hafta do the following:

Get a virtual midi keyboard. I've seen these recommended:

http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/vpiano.htm

http://www.bome.com/midi/keyboard/

and get MidiYoke to act as a midi connection between the keyboard and the audio app. You can get MidiYoke here:

http://www.midiox.com/index.htm?http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm

I've not tried this myself bcz I have a real keyboard but it has worked for others. There are further walk-throughs on those sites. The principles described here should work for using a computer keyboard to control any sequencer (Fruity allows this natively!)

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

So the AdrenaLinn is good? I've been eyeing one for a while. Even the I is worth it?

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 21 January 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Even the [Adrenalinn] I is worth it?

Yes, I used it for a short CD project, among other things. First off, it's a real idea generator. And it sounds great. You can sound really whacked out and technoid within its filtering and programming schemes, or very vintage and old-fashioned.

― George Smith, Friday, 21 January 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm especially interested in using it to play along live with stuff I've done in FL--was attracted to its strong BPM-matching functions. So, sigh, maybe I'll try and pick one up. Anyone wanna trade a Line6 Pod for that?

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 21 January 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't know if the AdrenLinn works well live since I've never used it that way. There is some testimony from pros on the Linn Design site claiming it replaced some live set-ups but that's not what I've ever used it for. I reckon it might be conducive to set up in a way like Pete Townshend's use of sequencer in "Won't Get Fooled Again," only with more options and, of course, a machine drummer. Then again, it might not.

― George Smith, Friday, 21 January 2005 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, sounds like it'd be worth fucking around with at least. Thanks!

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 21 January 2005 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Then there's always the Akai MPC series, but they're expensive.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 21 January 2005 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...

Raw Patrick - Thanks!!

― hmmm (hmmm), Monday, 7 February 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem that I am now troubled by has to do with my guitar. I've been making llots of quiet ambient stuff and I have noticed that there is a definite drop in volume when my guitar plays below a certain volume level. i.e. if I play a single note it sounds fine until it gets kind of near fading out all together (but is still there) at which point there is a noticeable step down in the volume of the note. Is this, again, a sound card & sampling problem or is there something else going on?

― hmmm (hmmm), Monday, 7 February 2005 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

are you plugging the guitar straight into your recording device? You might want to mic an amp or get one of those digital amp modeling units.

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Monday, 7 February 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I have tried it with my guitar plugged straight into the back of the computer and when I put my guitar throug my wee mixing desk.

― hmmm (hmmm), Monday, 7 February 2005 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, you have to amplify guitar to get it up to line level.

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Monday, 7 February 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

So it needs to go through an amp, then through the desk?

― hmmm (hmmm), Monday, 7 February 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Get a recent version of Live and a bunch of VSTs.

I wish that startrekman guy would chip in threads like these cause he's got such good taste in music and synths but you know he's not getting the hardware of all of them. What soft synths do you use man?

― Dan I., Monday, 7 February 2005 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm currently trying to do a 2 step remix of "love stepping out", just the guitar bit at the start though, it fits really well but i don't know what else to do now!

― in sharky water, Monday, 7 February 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

this is on the beautiful fruityloops btw. people should post their fruity songs on this thread!

― in sharky water, Monday, 7 February 2005 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

fat bassline next i guess, but fruityloops has shit bass samples. i like using the 3 oscillator synth but someone said not to use it for some reason.

― in sharky water, Monday, 7 February 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm liking what I;ve seen of fruityloops so far. You're dead right about the samples. I think I have a bunch missing too which is very annoying. Do you know where/how to get more samples into it?

― hmmm (hmmm), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

i wanna open a webmail

― rami awar, Friday, 28 April 2006 11:32 (twenty years ago)

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