Rock Guitarists - Who Are The Worst?

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Live, it'd have to be Barney Sumner. I've seen him play in the wrong key throughout a whole song, and he seems to have major difficulty playing and singing at the same time.

Fred Pierreafeu, Monday, 24 January 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Live, it'd have to be Barney Sumner.

During the late 80's, early 90's he seemed to have major difficulty just signing. I went to a NO gig where he kept missing the verses of "Ruined In A Day" and singing the wrong lyrics. After the song finished, he told the engineer, on the mic, to "sort it out, you fuckin' twat."

CLASSY.

Scott Warner (thream), Monday, 24 January 2005 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I was about to get all incredulous, but then I saw you specified Barney as a poor live guitarist, in which case you're probably right. But on record ("Transmission" and "Temptation" come immediately to mind), he's capable of greatness.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 January 2005 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw you specified Barney as a poor live guitarist,

Oh yeah, I think he's genius in the studio.

Scott Warner (thream), Monday, 24 January 2005 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Not that he's ever championed as a practitioner of timeless art, but as much as I loved the Plasmatics, Richie Stotts seemed to have no earthly idea what he was doing with the guitar (which, now that I think about it, may have been part of the appeal).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

he had a great look, tho'...

http://www.glam-metal.com/Richie_Stotts_4.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Good by virtue of being non-accomplished:
Bad guitarists that are really good

But the truly bad ones ...

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Stotts was just bad, sadly.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i think keith richards could be in both "greatest/worst" threads... (in some 70's lives or studio sessions, he's just awful !).

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Dylan can play great acoustic, but he fails miserably on his attempts at electric lead ("Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat" from Blonde on Blond and "I Can't Get You Off of My Mind" from the Hank Wiliams tribute album, Timeless). I mean, those aren't even close enough for jazz.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Dylan probably plays better electric lead than Edge does

dave q (listerine), Monday, 24 January 2005 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm talking specifically about solos, of course. Dylan plays a pretty great rhythm guitar.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Monday, 24 January 2005 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Neil Young *ducks*

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 24 January 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Yngwie Malmsteen

Austin (Austin), Monday, 24 January 2005 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

who cares about solos ? solos are rockists !(just joking...)

AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"Richie Stotts guitar breaks are some of the heaviest you'll hear this side of Angus Young."
Dave Dickson / Kerrang!

"The scariest guitar player EVER!"
Ward Boult / Killer Photographer

"Richie Stotts... a union of intellect and emotion."
Charles Young / Rolling Stone Magazine

"A really innovative guitarist ... one of the best solos I've ever heard."
Lemmy / Motorhead

"...Richie Stotts wrestles off-the-wall leads, fusing Chuck Berry licks, snatches of Hendrix, and effects-laden tones straight out of '60s psychedelia. No slouch, Stotts seems to have unlimited energy, good ideas, and a talent for clean execution."
Jas Obrecht / Guitar Player Magazine

"Chaos is the name of the game in the punk-metal genre, and given that premise, Stotts' guitar makes the grade. The intensity, power and mania are all here. The bottom heavy sound of the Plasmatics would probably benefit by showcasing the energetic playing of Stotts more often - but would that be right for a group determined to sound like an uncountained nuclear meltdown."
David Alzofon / Guitar Player Magazine

"Lead guitarist Richard Stotts may throw purists off with his turquoise Mohawk do, tasty tutu and white garter belt, but this guy is a showman who gives his all, even down to slamming his head with his axe until bright red blood mixes with his blue hair to create (that's right) vi-o-let. Like Rick Neilson of Cheap Trick, Stotts realizes there are only so many notes you can play on heavy metal guitar and that the real key to success is in exaggeration and lampoon."
Roy Trakin / New York Rocker

Richie's Spotts, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Chan Marshall

shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait! I take it back: Oliver Ray, in Patti Smith's band.

shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

"Neil Young *ducks*

-- joseph cotten (josephcotte...), January 24th, 2005."

I've got your back here.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"Neil Young *ducks*
I meant strictly solos, as well. He's a fine acoustic player.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't realize crack smoking was so widespread amongst computer users

Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

the solo on "Leopard-Skin Pillbox Hat" is by Robbie Robertson, innit?

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys don't like any of the solos on Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere? Even "Cinnamon Girl"? I mean, the opening of "Cowgirl In the Sand" is one momentous, balls-out statement.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

also, Mick Box to thread!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys don't like any of the solos on Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere? Even "Cinnamon Girl"? I mean, the opening of "Cowgirl In the Sand" is one momentous, balls-out statement.

-- sundar subramanian (sundar_subramanian200...), January 25th, 2005.

this man is correct

chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, and duh--Jandek

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

re Young - it's all about "Danger Bird" goddamit

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

ME. i am horrible.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

For all of his songwriting prowess, Elvis Costello guitar playing is pretty underwhelming on his early albums.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

bowie vs jagger

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Mick Box ! Yes! The perfect, perfectly awful-at-everything guitar player!

Horrid hollow lead tone, leaden vibrato, fart-y chording, ugly as thre edead pigs, worse hair...there just can't be worse.

iang, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe not worst of all time but I think James Williamson really fouled things up on Raw Power, particularly after Ron Asheton's tight, forceful stuff on Fun House. So much empty, pointless twiddle.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"So much empty, pointless twiddle."

I think you are wrong on that one, but everybody likes something different.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

James Williamson really fouled things up on Raw Power

Right. Only one of the most unique guitar tones and styles ever laid down. Many have tried to imitate it. They can't. They look at the back of "Raw Power" and think Williamson in pancake, Marshalls and Les Pauls when in the studio it was really closer to a Tely and Vox Top Boost set to shrill. The Roger Linn Adrenalinn, in salute, duplicated the "Raw Power" guitar sound in one patch for fans and in a customized amplifier model.

When you wanted to sound "like the Stooges" in the Eighties, when few did, that's what you aimed for. Not Ron Asheton.

Williamson did it again on "New Values." The formula is right there in photos from the sessions. The guitar tone is slashing, ice-pick, screeching, present and always powerful. It never fails to punch the face and is exactly the foil for Iggy, even on mediocre to crappy compositions.

When "Raw Power" was published, Williamson's guitar multiplied with Bowie's unusually abrasive mix were transfixing. It was steely and utterly metal, yet trashy at the same time. Plus JW cowrote with Iggy.

Now, the classic Ron Asheton lick: A-G/A-G/A-G or E-G/E-G/E-G, straight Marshall JTM-50 tone, thinned by use of Strat, compressed at the mixing desk in the studio. Sawtooth lead, fuzztone and stomped, not cocked, wah. ("I Wanna Be Your Dog" shows only slight variety: G-F#-E or any similar interval.)

George Smith, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 07:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll listen again. I agree that it's a cool tone actually, particularly on "Search and Destroy", when it does really work. It was more some of the soloing that came to mind. But I haven't listened in a while.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Not to mention "Kill City", which is so cool I even dreamt about it last night

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Bill Bailey's 'catastrophic technical failure at a U2 gig' routine to thread!

M Carty (mj_c), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, the guy in Acid Mothers Temple is crap

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"the solo on "Leopard-Skin Pillbox Hat" is by Robbie Robertson, innit?"

No, it's Dylan -- it says so in the album credits (and it sounds like him). Elsewhere on the album he sticks to rhythm. Robbie (billed as "Jaime" Robertson) may have played on a few others, I don't know. I know the only song that features The Band (or the Hawks) is "One of Us Must Know (Sooner or Later).

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Raw Power is my favorite stooges lp actually. For the title track alone.

David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, after listening today, I have to say I like Williamson more than I used to. Back when I was a big Stooges listener, I was in more of a 'purist', 'economy'/'taste'-happy phase. I really have to give him credit for coming up with very memorable hooks and riffs. I'm able to appreciate the solos more just for their feel and energy. The wasted excess kind of suits the overall rock-out feel.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I rented a live Stones bootleg from some pre-tour club show at the Roundhouse in '70 or '71 and I was shocked at how irritating Mick Taylor was back then. He just wouldn't stop riffing. I couldn't take it. He would not shut up,

He's fabulous on record, though. I wonder if he was more subdued the first year he was in the band, cause he sounds fine on Get Yer Ya Ya's Out.

Re: James Williamson. George Smith, I couldn't agree with you more. And it's nice to hear someone rave about the guitar playing on New Values for a change, it's incredible. Anybody know what he's up to now?

Hot Bitch with an Elecric Guitarthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

zappa.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)


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