ummm.... WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU GUYS TELL ME TWALL DWARFS WERE TOURING THE US?!?!

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Tall Dwarfs
Fri July 29 Subterranean, Chicago
Tue August 2nd Bowery Ballroom, New York City
Wed August 3rd Bowery Ballroom, New York City
Thu August 4th Chapel Hill, NC (Tall Dwarfs only)
Sat August 6th 40 Watt, Athens, GA

playing SF on Tuesday the 10th!!

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Saturday, 6 August 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

We did tell you, you weren't listening. Donut Ferry actually flew out to Chapel Hill to see the headlining show there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 August 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

what?! goddammit!

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Saturday, 6 August 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

i'd rather see alec b solo

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 6 August 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

um yeah, this was talked about one of the two Tall Dwarfs threads at least a month ago.

The show was magnificent. In a way a show could not have gone more wrong, as far as technical difficulties and odd collisions of mistakes, and hence, given the band's, especially Knox's, ability to turn a train wreck into high comedy and art, the show could have not gone more right.. they bounced around the discography pretty much hitting every release.. except maybe Stumpy. They started with a song off the album I didn't even expect they'd touch, Throw A Sickie. I'll post a more detailed review of the show next week, after the SF show... as I think I'll be giving too much away if I do it now.

So, basically, to all of you fans in SF going to the show there (which I THINK is the 9th, but someone now says the 10th?? Double check with Aquarius or somebody in the know, cuz I first heard the ninth, but maybe that's changed.), don't miss it.

donut ferry (donut), Saturday, 6 August 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

The other thing I'll mention is: bring some cash.

They have a 10 song tour-only CD(R) of songs they did on NZ radio very recently, which are live reworkings of older songs, essentially.

donut ferry (donut), Saturday, 6 August 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

I mentioned this on my birthday thread. Saw em live at the Bowery and had a real nice time; just finished ripping my copy of The Sky Above the Mud Below to computer.

They really were fucking up left and right, but so endearing!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 6 August 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

They stayed at my house night before last!

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 6 August 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

They're in my cupboard! They're crawling out of my laundry!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 August 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Lay down the traps.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 6 August 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

*scatters beer pellets around*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 August 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

here's a quote from that village voice guy's blog...

"This was a double-reunion tour and my mind's a battlefield--one of these bands had a grenade to jump. New Zealand's Tall Dwarfs, kind hacks, did so smilingly, for a fuxxor crowd with a visible age divide but party shirts aplenty.

Young kids there who made the grave mistake of clicking "Tall Dwarfs" under Guided By Voices' AMG influenced by's really wanted to dig the Dwarfs--that was clear--really wanted to understand how the band could be important but not listenable. The Down Under accent gets them off the bad vox hook, even the racist hook (not really), but Jesus Christ you're like a hundred years old, learn to play the guitar already. Breaking strings on stage is only impressive when done on purpose, or accidentally with your teeth.

Old kids, especially when the (short) Dwarf with no sleeves on his shirt said, "We live 600 miles apart, we don't get much time to practice," got the jokes a little too much. Then they played a song, then another one, then a cover, then ten more songs, each one a better argument for late-term abortion (like, now) than the one before.

During the "Gospel song for people who don't believe in God", Sleeveless (Snow White's eighth) explained, "Somewhere inside of you there is an African American screaming to get out." Nope.
"

naturemorte, Saturday, 6 August 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

I'm not going to argue against everyone's opinion of the shows. I can understand why someone just wouldn't have liked the show, and this blog entry is valid enough (except for the "learn to play guitar already without breaking strings"... like you can "learn" to NEVER break guitar strings. haha.) I'll contest that not every moment of the set I saw was perfection.. but there were plenty of other moments that obfuscated the latter enough for me. Granted, I probably saw them play the longer set than those in NYC.

Also, by their own admission, this tour of theirs was VERY last minute. So the comments about not being able to practice much aren't meant to be jokes. And it's a valid complaint if you've been waiting to see a band for a long time. I don't share that specific opinion, as I think the show was still ultimately a load of fun, regardless...

And, well, sorry.. but if you're seeing Tall Dwarfs purely because they were recommended as having influenced Guided By Voices (which I don't really see at all. GBV sound influenced by The Who/The Jam demoes at best.), you're not going to get proto-GBV... thank god.

donut ferry (donut), Saturday, 6 August 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Tall Dwarfs aren't very good live. They were a mainstay at university orientation / start of year parties (1989 - 1994) in New Zealand, but they always played as the ol' token friends of the management deal. They make jokes, they play badly. Punk! 'cept it's dull...Still, nice to know that there's an audience for every aspect of pointless indie estorica....

paulhw (paulhw), Saturday, 6 August 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Somewhere, said by someone, in 1983, perhaps using slightly older terminology...

"Flipper aren't very good live. They were a mainstay at university orientation / start of year parties (1980 - 1982) in Berkeley, but they always played as the ol' token friends of the management deal. They make jokes, they play badly. Punk! 'cept it's dull...Still, nice to know that there's an audience for every aspect of pointless indie estorica...."

Not to compare TD with Flipper, musically.. but Paul, you kinda sound like "that guy"... And that's fine. To each his/her own.

donut ferry (donut), Saturday, 6 August 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

there's an audience for every aspect of pointless indie estorica....

Like the Libertines, I'd guess.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 August 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

Nah, this is great.. next week, I plan to retrigger writings I've been putting off due to work stress, one of which hypothesizes on the whole 2000s "amateur music expression = bad" 'tude that's kinda spreading like a plague these days.

donut ferry (donut), Saturday, 6 August 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was thinking about that as well, and doubtless for the same reasons. I find it...interesting. It raises certain assumptions about the victories found in terms of popular acceptance.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 August 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

Let's just say that when at one point in 1994 or so when I made a snide comment about how I just wanted change because the underground/college music market was oversaturated with 7"'s made by so many bands that already had tours set up after knowing just five songs, having just learned to play their instruments a month ago, and still on the stepping entry of the songwriting pool... heh, well, "be careful what you wish for, as it may very well come true." indeed.

donut ferry (donut), Saturday, 6 August 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

Erm, dunno Flipper. I do know Tall Dwarves. And I hope that someone will grab you from behind at that gig and say: "You see! Youy don't have to do this!" Aand you'll say.."yeah, why am I watching a 45 year old in flipflops playing songs his (ex) wife didn't even like..?"

paulhw (paulhw), Sunday, 7 August 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

Actually, someone did very much grab me from behind at the show, but told me "this is amazing!" and I concurred. Someone who posts here actually.

I'm glad that age, flip-flops, and marital issues affect your opinion of one's music.

You don't have to like Tall Dwarfs' music, Paul, and you're free to state that but -- frankly -- you're now being a complete dick.

donut ferry (donut), Sunday, 7 August 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

heh. like on ilm we've always agreed that image is entirely separate from the music. but, i guess, yay for you and your friend from behind.

what did you like about the show?

paulhw (paulhw), Sunday, 7 August 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

The songs, the music, the fun the three were having on stage (if you count Scott, the Man Who Triggered The Pre-Recording Loops), the vibe with the audience, the engagement with the audience from Chris, his banter in between songs, or in the middle of the songs if it got screwed up... and the way he dealt with technical difficulties, which he's apparenty mastered (thanks to all those university gigs you hated, I guess). I was sober, incidentally.

Looseness and "amateurism" are attributes to me, though I'm finding a lot of people are seeing them as "bad". (This is what I'm preparing a piece on, actually) I'm not saying the Tall Dwarfs show was the best show ever, but it ranks up there, and I'm really happy I made the effort to see the show. Am I operating under heavy delusion/cognitive dissonance? If you want to think that, then go right ahead.

donut ferry (donut), Sunday, 7 August 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

I meant to type "arrangements" and not "the music". The arrangements of the songs were totally different from the original, yet they were still recognizeable, which I see as a plus.

donut ferry (donut), Sunday, 7 August 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

Their shit was bananas. Totally sweet and fun and engaging.
Not liking that show has certain elements of not liking fun, methinks; not to cast stones.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 7 August 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

say what you will about chris (he's admittedly sloppy), but alec is a GREAT guitarist!

chris andrews (fraew), Sunday, 7 August 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

I'm still really bummed out that I missed them in NYC. Its only about 3oo miles-so close yet so far away*Sigh*...

brg30 (brg30), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

dudes, i'll say it again... Ed Kowalczyk of Live at the SF show... singing along from the crowd.

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Friday, 12 August 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

They were fun in Athens too. Some sound issues for most of the set (it was outside), but thoroughly awesome when joined by 8 million OTC members on "Nothing's Going to Happen" and with Chris Knox running up and down and around the hillside with a flashlight.

Hillary Brown (Hillary Brown), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

i wonder if the bats will play here for their new album.

keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 12 August 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)


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