Soulseek Closing?

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Heard from a source close to the author of Soulseek that everyones favourite P2P will be closing in less than a weeks time. The SLSK chat channel on IRC has been buzzing with speculation. Does anyone know of any viable alternatives should our worst fears come true?

Renee, Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

ask the author, dumbass.

strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/bestoflv/1998/photos/virgin-mega.jpg

Keith C (lync0), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

again, strongo forgets 2002.

:o), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

lol Keith, though its kinda hard to find bootlegs in WallMart :o)

Renee, Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

golden opportunity for a whole generation to commence bitching about how music's not as good as it used to be

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

again, banana nutrament seems to have forgotten 2002.

:o), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

why is it that the dudes who always bitch at filesharing people on ilm are paid music critics who pretty much live on the free cds they get sent all the time??

Am I Right?, Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

i dont blame them, i have forgotten vast parts of 2005. crosspost

one eye white, one eye black (FE7), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

why is it that the dudes who always bitch at filesharing people on ilm are paid music critics who pretty much live on the free cds they get sent all the time??

example?

the happy smile patrol (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

goddamn millionaire music critics!

mookieproof (mookieproof), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

I can't respond, I'm too busy burning money in my fireplace and beating several of my manservants for not polishing the ten-car Rolls fleet correctly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

i wasn't bitching about filesharing so much as annoying SLSK CLOSING?? threads, an ilm institution since, yes, 2002

strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

and before that audiogalaxy. and before that napster.

strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

How does one live on free CDs? Can you cook them?

Keith C (lync0), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

...which you gotta admit actually DID close! the prophecy WAS fulfilled!

(xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

I was upset when napster closed, i cried for Audiogalaxy, and i just don't know how i could handle this.

snowballing (snowballing), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

damn you, Stylus! damn you!

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 25 September 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

FUCK YOU NICK SOUTHALL!

What's this thread about?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 25 September 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

The drugs you haven't taken.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 September 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Something to do with this?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/16/riaa_targets_p2p_firms/

The Recording Industry Ass. of America (RIAA) has told seven P2P software companies to get with the programme - or face the consequences.

The organisation, infamous for the thousands of lawsuits it has issued against alleged file-sharers, said it has asked the firms to shut down their networks or implement RIAA-approved anti-piracy measures.

The RIAA hasn't said which P2P networks it sent cease and desist letters to, but the Wall Street Journal yesterday named LimeWire, BearShare and WinMX, and it's not hard to guess who the others might be.

The demands come three months after the US Supreme Court ruled that P2P providers Grokster and StreamCast are responsible for the actions of their users. If P2P users share content without the permission of the copyright holder then they're guilty of copyright infringement and so too are networks that did nothing to stop them, the Supreme Court said in June.

The verdict reversed judgements made at the District Court and Court of Appeal levels, which were founded on the precedent established in a landmark case brought in the 1980s by the movie industry against Sony. Back then, the Japanese giant prevailed, by showing its video recorders had plenty of uses beyond illegally copying movies. This time round, the P2Pers made the same claims, but the Supreme Court maintained that there were substantial differences between the two cases, so the Sony precedent does not apply.

The case now returns to the lower court, which must now re-consider the movie industry's complaint against Grokster and StreamCast in the light of the Supremes' decision.

The RIAA claimed the Supreme Court judgement had given P2P companies notice "there is a right way and a wrong way to conduct a business", and in the intervening months they have been granted "ample opportunity to do the right thing". It said firms that continue to allow users to share and download illegal copies, and "knowingly operate on the wrong side of that line do so at their own risk".

LimeWire, for one, now asks anyone downloading their software if they intend to infringe copyright, refusing to offer the software to anyone who foolishly checks the 'yes' option. That may appease the RIAA, but we doubt it - there are plenty of copies of the code out there already, and when we checked this afternoon, still rather a lot of illicit material to grab. ®

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Sunday, 25 September 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Somebody on the soulseek msg board said slsk was among the seven. winmx, limewire and bearshare are said to have closed

mark, Sunday, 25 September 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Both the file-sharing networks and the entertainment industry recognize that if new online offerings are too cumbersome or restrictive, users may turn to overseas services or to technologies such as BitTorrent, which are harder to control.

I posted that in the outing thread earlier this week. I did find out who all seven services were and slsek was not one of them. The reason being is that it’s an overseas company and not affected by those seven threatening letters. All letters were sent to U.S. companies only.

So I hope people are just jumping to conclusions and that it will be around for a little while yet.

BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 25 September 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

It's like playing whack-a-mole. Losing slsk would be an annoying inconvenience, but it won't stop us from finding something else. I just can't imagine it would be possible for anyone to stop the flow of ones and zeroes this late in the game.

One of my favorite things about filesharing is little 16 year olds can absorb the history of entire genres within a couple months and become instant experts, even pretending they grew up with the music. Unlike geezer crybabies who lament the end of having to work hard for your collection, learning about things from obscure magazines and word of mouth and meticulously hunting down releases in various record stores, I think it's great. I love the fact that someone's girlfriend can suck down 250 GB and 20 years worth of accumulating music into a laptop or external hard drive in a few minutes.

In 1987-90 I ran an Internet music discussion group that peaked at around 250 subscribers. The discussions were pretty good, because it was diverse, with people from around the world who were evangelical about their particular indie/punk scenes. I thought it was kinda sad how few people were really into it. Then it was considered normal that a new band doing a national tour might only get 10-50 people at a show. But after Napster, it seemed there was a population explosion of people who are deep into music and participate in boards like this and go to shows. Now, new bands can plausibly sell out a 400-1500 capacity venue when their first album has only been officially in the stores for a week. I missed the Yeah Yeah Yeahs first show in Chicago because it sold out, and I don't think they had even released their album yet.

If the fucking RIAA did get their way and squash all sharing, would this newfound audience dry up again?

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

People who write software -- what is standing in the way of a file-sharing program that doesn't depend on any sort of centralized organization? Could something be written that can't be closed down, because the indexing code is spread around 100,000 different computers?

Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

There's this thing called BitTorrent.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

And yeah, I used WinMX for years, always the easiest place to pick up a song that's being played on the radio, and as of the last week it doesn't work anymore.

Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

One of my favorite things about filesharing is little 16 year olds can absorb the history of entire genres within a couple months and become instant experts

This is really shaking things up for professional music critics, because now all sorts of people can sample a wide range of music, access formerly reserved for the fraternity of bizzers and writers on the record companies' promo lists.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

it's funny how slsk has never EVER been mentioned in one of those news articles.

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

It has been mentioned here in the UK. Some slsk users actually have been sued.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Frontcode technologies (WinMX) is based in Canada not the US

Renee, Sunday, 25 September 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Bit Torrent needed a tracker server until version 4.

~~~~ DODONGO DISLIKES SMOKE ~~~~ (ex machina), Sunday, 25 September 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

The s1sk network also got swamped with fake files a while ago - I would think the end is near indeed. Back to usenet, then...

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 25 September 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

oh noes

blunt (blunt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

what are fake files?
and what's the use of sharing fake files please?

the former i can understand, but not the latter...

nique (nique), Sunday, 25 September 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Some "users" are companies paid by RIAA members that flood servers with crap to make it all more difficult.

blunt (blunt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

omg thanks, i could never think bout that... amazing!

i don't think it does any harm to s1sk, anyway
after the numder of users got over 30000 it's become more like friends2friends userlist sharing...

nique (nique), Sunday, 25 September 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

forgot about 2002, more liek forgot about dre

feminem, Sunday, 25 September 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

feminem, OTM

ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Sunday, 25 September 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1592810071.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

amon (eman), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)


Hell, slsk wasn't all that fun a couple of years ago, and I ended up getting off it. I think that kind of thing only works in small communities where people are already familiar with each other.

simian (dymaxia), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

this really blows since I recently lost about 40GB of music and was hoping to get it back slowly over the next few months with slsk; guess not. fuck it music sucks anyway

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

it's not too hard to get familiar with each other on slsk... it has everything for that
and once you do get familiar with ppl, the whole new world opens!

nique (nique), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

slsk not fun? it's not supposed to be fun, but it works. slsk provides if you know how to use it right.

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

cutty otfm.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 25 September 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

i have no complaints. (well... very few complaints, but whatever.) the best thing is that it's led people with gigantic collections of rare vinyl to get off their asses and digitize it all!

the happy smile patrol (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 25 September 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
Found this on the slsk board:

BearShare to Pay $30M to Avoid Piracy Claim
BearShare Operators to Pay $30 Million to Avoid Piracy Claims

By ALEX VEIGA AP Business Writer

LOS ANGELES May 4, 2006 (AP)— The operators of the BearShare online file-sharing service have agreed to pay $30 million to avoid potential copyright infringement lawsuits from the recording industry, according to court documents filed Thursday.

Free Peers Inc., which distributed the BearShare software, also agreed to close up shop and not operate any unlicensed online music services.

A federal judge must still give final approval to the terms of the settlement.

Free Peers was one of seven file-swapping software companies to receive letters from the recording industry last fall warning them to shut down or prepare to face lawsuits.

Since then, the operators behind i2Hub and WinMX shut down. The Grokster file-sharing service, which was sued by a coalition of Hollywood film studios and recording companies in 2001, agreed last fall to pay $50 million to settle that copyright infringement case.

The operators of four file-sharing services Warez P2P, Limewire, eDonkey and Soulseek have yet to shut down or settle.

The firms behind two other major file-sharing services Kazaa and Morpheus are defendants in a copyright infringement case pending in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.

As part of the BearShare settlement, Free Peers agreed to sell their technology, rights to the BearShare domain name and data on users of the software to a subsidiary of iMesh Inc., which used to distribute file-swapping software until 2004.

The New York-based company reached a $4.1 million settlement with the recording industry and relaunched last year as a licensed music service.

The company said it had been in talks to acquire BearShare "for a while," but declined to disclose financial terms of the deal or how it plans to use the BearShare assets.

Calls left after hours to the Miami-based attorney for Free Peers was not immediately returned Thursday.

In a statement, the Recording Industry Association of America, which represents the major recording companies, credited last year's Supreme Court ruling in a file-swapping case for paving the way for the settlement.

The high court's decision opened online file-sharing companies to potential liability, ruling that if they were found to intentionally induce or encourage the theft of copyrighted works, they could be held liable.

BeeOK (boo radley), Monday, 8 May 2006 04:37 (twenty years ago)

Ignorance is bliss.

honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Monday, 8 May 2006 04:42 (twenty years ago)

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lf (lfam), Monday, 8 May 2006 05:07 (twenty years ago)

has the RIAA actually filed anything against soulseek (the company)?

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 8 May 2006 05:23 (twenty years ago)

FWIW, an admin posted this on the SS forum:

The messages that are appearing in chat rooms and private chat announcing Soulseek will be shut down are completely false and nothing more than a prank. If you have seen one of these messages you may safely ignore it.

If you are a user sending these messages in chat rooms or private chat, let it be known we are actively seeking out the users sending these messages and you will be permanently banned from Soulseek if you do not stop doing so immediately, consider yourself warned.

In other words, the reports of our death have been greatly exaggerated.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Monday, 8 May 2006 05:47 (twenty years ago)

well this has been reported through the AP and was in most newspapers so it's not like someone faked the article. the article DOES state that about slsk: here it is in the san jose mercury news for instance.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 May 2006 05:59 (twenty years ago)

If you are a user sending these messages in chat rooms or private chat, let it be known we are actively seeking out the users sending these messages and you will be permanently banned from Soulseek if you do not stop doing so immediately, consider yourself warned.

Why not just contact the authorities? Oh wai...

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 8 May 2006 07:16 (twenty years ago)

On closer inspection those words of heavy-handed reassurance from SS predate this week's reports. Ick.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Monday, 8 May 2006 09:38 (twenty years ago)

Can the RIAA sue Soulseek anyway as they're not based in the US?

I wouldn't worry about this at the moment.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 8 May 2006 10:07 (twenty years ago)

Um, how exactly do the makers of these apps settle out of court for such large sums of money?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 8 May 2006 10:36 (twenty years ago)

I was wondering that as well. How does BearShare make $30million???

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 8 May 2006 10:40 (twenty years ago)

slsk is gone off the internet because of you

lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Monday, 8 May 2006 10:55 (twenty years ago)

Why can't these guys go after o!nk? S1sk users are so much nicer...

pleased to mitya (mitya), Monday, 8 May 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)

if you gave them an oink invite they could

lf (lfam), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Not that I'm an expert (although I'm unfortunately studying for an International IP final at the moment), but the fact that SS is based outside the U.S. wouldn't matter since users and infringements take place in the U.S. As for the settlement amounts, I'd imagine that it's not so much that the RIAA expects to collect as that it effectively destroys the companies.

I'm sort of surprised that SS has survived as long as it has, actually.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)

This is obviously the fault of that Stylus Magazine column 'Soulseeking'

like murderinging (modestmickey), Monday, 8 May 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Fuck, my career as hot shit DJ is totally over now.
-- Jay Watts III (goldkick...), April 6th, 2006.

lf (lfam), Monday, 8 May 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Aaron W, the RIAA could prosecute US users for using an overseas service, but has no jurisdiction over slsk itself, without assistance from whatever country it's hosted in.

cdwill (cdwill), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 04:53 (twenty years ago)

This is obviously the fault of that Stylus Magazine column 'Soulseeking'

I'm usually not one to say I told you so, but...

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Ha! Presuming the RIAA looks for clues about new p2p services by reading Stylus is the funniest thing I'll hear all week.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

guys, SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)


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