CMJ ranks the 25 artists who've made the biggest impact on college radio

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BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)

Superchunk does not belong. More like Dinosaur Jr. or Sebadoh.

They Did Not Take The Required Drugs To Write That List, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

As far as stupid lists go, I have no complaints. Whatever. Looks alright.

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, The Smiths influenced Pulp? Radiohead influenced The Verve? What?!?

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

Funny you should say that as I posted this on their site, and the more I think about it the more I think the Cure really should have been on there (I have some other bands that are coming to mind but will wait a little while and see if anyone else bring them up.):

It’s an OK list and I was mainly going to scream about no inclusion of The Cure but have to remember that it’s from bands starting in 1981 or so. Although the Cure probably wasn’t played on the radio until "Let’s Go To Bed" was released in 1984.

So the thing I’m going to harp on is the You’re Welcome part under Radiohead. How are Verve influenced when they had parallel careers? Verve’s first EP All In the Mind was released in 1992. Both debuts came out in 1993 with Verve’s sound a lot more defined and took that to the next step. Then in 1995 they both put out their second album with Verve really establishing their sound but borrowed from their past more so then Radiohead did. In 1997 OK Computer was released but so was Urban Hymns. It just doesn’t seem like Radiohead did much to influence Verve when they were both doing their thing at the same exact time. For me it will always be Verve and not the Verve, same with Suede and not London Suede as that was their original name (and my introduction) until the law got into it.

BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

lol dumb students

the pixies didnt impact shit (but released shit instead) and morrissey isnt a bald fag like michael stripes and black flag is dumb rollins shit so that doesnt count and fuck off u2 and radioheads

oh and NICE WHITE +1 BOOTS OF SPEED, BARNEY

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

uh, i think the superchunk plug is 100% OTM. what i dont get is how archers of loaf are mentioned as being a by-product of the bands existence, when both bands happened to co-exist within the same scene. way to rewrite history, cmj!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

Despite what I personally think about her (simplistic girl-power anthems that don't really convey much beyond cartoon anger sung in a chirpy voice that's like nails on chalkboard), saying that Ani DiFranco influenced or aided Liz Phair and Sufjan Stevens in any way is mind boggling.

This is how wrong they are: Liz Phair owes more thanks to Urge Overkill. (Not to mention the fact that Liz owes a lot of her notoriety to male rock critics, and Ani's fanbase is 97% female. No joke--got free tickets to her Carnegie Hall concert a few years back and you would think it was the Beatles at the Hall in 1964 what with all the teen girls screaming their lungs out.)

matt carlson, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

DJ Shadow belongs on this list.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

uh, i think the superchunk plug is 100% OTM.

Then, you'll notice how it says they were influenced by Dinosaur Jr. yet Dinosaur Jr. appears nowhere on the list. Make sense? Superchunk were barely a footnote, it seems to me— not much different from dozens of other bands that popped up around that time.

They Did Not Take The Required Drugs To Write That List, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

OTM. I think Dinosaur Jr. are a lot more worthy of being on this list than many of the bands that did make it. Also maybe Stereolab or Tortoise.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

college radio = enemy

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

I'm kind of baffled by the omission of The Cure myself.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

superchunk were definitely NOT a footnote. id argue this but i have a day job to tend to.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Here's the bit I'm trying to follow, from the Femmes graph: this naked, bittersweet acousti-punk ramble gets passed down from big sibling to little sibling like a set of bitter, angsty keys to a car you will never have sex in— unless, of course, sis took you to see them with the Del Fuegos.

That last clause is a reference to Juliana Hatfield, right? (Or was "My Sister" already referencing something I don't know about?) Because then the implication would be that Juliana Hatfield, the famous virgin of early-90s college rock, was the one who would have sex in the car.

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Where's THE LOCUST

Gavin, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Also: they seem to go out of their way to pick representative bands from a lot of subgenres / movements / sects, but the one that'll always get lost in something like this, due to no central band to pin it on, is indie-pop -- a massive part of college radio through the 90s, and only historicized by its own geeks. (If it were a corresponding tracks selection you could at least use "100,000 Fireflies" as a placeholder for that.)

nabsicothingy, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

superchunk were definitely NOT a footnote. id argue this but i have a day job to tend to.

I saw them in very small articles for a few months one year and I saw 1 video of theirs played twice on 120 minutes. I bought "On The Mouth" and felt like wiping it On The Butt. No, not really. It was okay. Seemed similar to Poster Children or Eleventh Dream Day, Pixies minus the soft bits. They weren't that big or that influential, were they? I remember being kind of bored and a little disappointed. I did consider getting another SC album, but I was a broke high schooler.

They Did Not Take The Required Drugs To Write That List, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

but the one that'll always get lost in something like this, due to no central band to pin it on, is indie-pop

Oh, poor Nabisco.

I think the Del Fuegos bit is indeed a reference to "My Sister," but done in a very clumsy way.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

"Slack Motherfucker" was kind of a touchstone, Laura and Mac started Merge, and the band managed to spend a surprisingly long time as an indie-rock / college-radio staple and barometer, possibly even a Steve-Forbert-of-indie, the sort of band where everyone interested in the genre seemed to half-like at least one of their records. And if you want to talk about pure influence, there's an argument to be made that Superchunk were a critical source for emo-indie guitar bands ranging from fairly early-screamy (see "Slack MF") to anthemic pop-whiny (see Indoor Living, which I still like quite a bit).

Though to be honest I'd be just as content to see the Lemonheads in that space.

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

i don't even listen to the stuff, but if you look at it as being less about who influenced who sonically and more about the community, Superchunk was a HUGE college radio thing, regardless of getting any sort of mainstream magazine press or MTV appearances. Merge Records? This was big scenemaking stuff. To me it has nothing to do with whether a band is good or popular beyond, college radio is/was college radio. During my years and just before, you'd think Polvo was the biggest band in the universe.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

The more I read things like this the more I realize I know absolutely nothing about college radio.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

dan selzer OTM.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

All Superchunk defenders=OTM

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

I agree with the Superchunk inclusion, too -- but that makes me wonder where Guided by Voices is.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

but that makes me wonder where Guided by Voices is.

see, that's a glaring omission.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

The more I read things like this the more I realize I know absolutely nothing about college radio.
Me too. And to think I went to college to acquire the knowledge. But that was a long time ago.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

i dont like GBV [anymore] but yeah, that certainly is a glaring omission.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

"any suffix you can add before metal (death-, grind-, black-) was kickstarted by Dave Lombardo's merciless feet."

i know this isn't a grammar board, but i think it's relevant for the fact that "college" radio people don't even know what a prefix is, how smart could they possibly be regarding anything else?

ryannyc (ryannyc), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

During my years and just before, you'd think Polvo was the biggest band in the universe.

So true..

dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

plus, black metal predates slayer right?

and i think grindcore and death were developing concurrently with thrash in the mid-80s, making the whole statement wrong to begin with....i read this thing with the guy that wrote choosing death, and he said he was surprised that virtually none of the death/grindcore guys said they ever really listened to slayer...they all listened to a bunch of way obscure bands i'd never heard of, via the tape trading underground....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

hahahahah

~~~~ DODONGO DISLIKES SMOKE ~~~~ (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

"Blue Monday"....reeked of breathy desperation like a sexy Suicide"

No.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

after re-reading each entry, ive decided what really puts me off about the list is not the list itself, but the way its written. every line is so far off the mark that i think to myself "WTF?!" every .05 seconds.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

During my years and just before, you'd think Polvo was the biggest band in the universe.

I was defending Polvo's Shapes on another board today. I don't get the hate for that album.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

polvo still rule.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:25 (twenty years ago)

is stephin merrit a big they might be giants fan?
where is slint? their horrible music had legions of horrible imitators.

verve turned crap without any assistance from radiohead.

keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

makes me wonder where Guided by Voices is.

i like gbv as much as the next guy, but they didn't have anywhere near the impact on the real world as any of the 25 bands on that list.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

one question i have about this "college" thing: have they started admitting black people yet?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

yeah impact on the 'real world' has little to nothing to do with it - it's talking about college radio.

fave line - if you can't hear Wire, Talking Heads, X and the Clash in today's music, you're tuned to the wrong station - riight

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 05:46 (twenty years ago)

I never heard Polvo. They were not very popular by the time I got to college. I'm guessing most people upthread are late 30s? Being as I was in HS during Superchunk's years, maybe that's why I didn't notice them much. Still, artists making an impact due to a record label they've created as opposed to their influential music should be a Special Runner Up category or something.

I wish I was into a different scene in my youth. Those were prime fucking years and I was too busy being serious and insecure to have as much sex as I could've otherwise.

They Did Not Take The Required Drugs To Write That List, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 05:53 (twenty years ago)

I'm kind of baffled by the omission of The Cure myself.

I think their inclusion of New Order and the Smiths is supposed to be a proxy represention for every British indie band, 1979-1992.

Also, should I be surprised that PE and De La Soul made the list, but Beastie Boys didn't?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:22 (twenty years ago)

no you shouldn't - COLLEGE radio

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)

Then I guess Canada really is a different world ...

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)

What about Beck?

BeeOK (boo radley), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)

i was in high school during superchunk's years as well and they were ubiquitious.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)


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