where is the nu-freakfolke love for alan stivell?

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is he too ren-fair for the hipsters? i have a great live in paris 72 album by him and his band. rock guitars, prog moves, full-on celtic hoe-downs, "The King Of The Fairies". The KIng Of The Fairies! Live! Dude, He NEVER does Fairies, I can't believe I missed that show. I know almost nothing about him. I also have a cheapo best-of that sells him in that national treasure/boxcar willie kinda way that makes me believe he bacame a big fat boring lame-o and i wonder why i don't see him on pbs with the flying dutchman. maybe he's dead.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

He's not dead. That's one of the reason's he's not hip probably. He went a bit new age. I think he's too genuinely folky for these irritating folk hipsters (oh just piss off and listen to the Velvet Undergound or something)

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

But, basically, yes he kept going and kept making records and didn't die or go mad or drop out and he's remained popular with genuine folkies the world over

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

yeah, that will do it. one of the reasons my rosalie sorrels thread went unanswered. god, she is great.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

See, it is good to hear these names, so I may have knowledge.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

my bad. it got one answer:

Why Isn't Rosalie Sorrels Hip With Hepcats??? She's Great!

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

He's a wee bit "Clannad" in places but he is a very important artist, in modern folk music.

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Never heard of her! (xpost)

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

how much ofhis 60's/70's stuff mixed the rock and the prog with the traditional stuff? it's a good mix. the way he does it.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

she is a treasure. almost as if blossom dearie had a career singing murder ballads and mining disaster tunes.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

YEAH! I used to dance to him like crazy when I was 4.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Never heard, or heard of, either of these guys.

There's a lot of old folkies who lack profile in the current scene (Tim Hardin, Roy Harper, heck even John Martyn), but I think a lot of the problem it that the fans (like me) are really young, and there aren't very many labels dredging out the old stuff for us to hear.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

tim hardin seems too country for the boho set, unfortunately.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

I've got Reflets and Renaissance of the Celtic Harp, both of which I enjoy quite a bit. I love the version of She Moved Through The Fair. I'll have to check out Paris 72. What other high points are there?

Perhaps it's not nu-freakefolke love, but Current 93 used Eliz Iza in it's entirety on the Imperium album (which I believe is almost entirely made up of "borrowed" music?)

Don't worry, I think the nu-folk hipsters will be forgotten about next year.

Rombald, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Alan Stivell is a proper folkie - not just some geezer with an acoustic guitar singing about his girlfriend

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

You know, as in a guy steeped in traditional music, skilled in the singing, playing and interpretation of same

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

current 93 were ahead of their time, what with their shirley collins love. and shirley collins IS hip and has been for years. go figure.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

and i would say that roy harper and john martyn have been on hipster radar for a long time too.

i don't know why i care what people listen to. i just want people to hear good stuff!


Tim Hardin should be on a friggin' postage stamp, if you ask me. he is a god to me.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, in that case an awful lot of ruddy faced men with beards and woolly jumpers and their dowdy wives in smocks were ahead of their time

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

I love Tim Hardin too, just differentiating between him and Alan Stivell - they have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

the hipsters will not take to Stivell but this rocked me at age 4:

ihttp://www.alan-stivell.com/Img/Disco/E%20Langonned.jpg

Tim Hardin "It'll Never Happen Again" is in my top 20 songs of all time, I think

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

where is the love for Paul Parrish?

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

anyone feel like YSIing something good?

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

do you like a lot of trad brittany stuff, dada? like kornog.


re: current 93- i just meant that she has been a true hipster namedrop for years and those dudes put her on a record and stuff years back.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Nah, I'm no expert on Breton music!

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

meic stevens. he's hip. has been for years. it helps if you made at least one psych record. i like meic.


i would think that younger ISB or Pentangle fans could dig Stivell.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

He's not dead. That's one of the reason's he's not hip probably. He went a bit new age. I think he's too genuinely folky for these irritating folk hipsters (oh just piss off and listen to the Velvet Undergound or something)
-- We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (dadaismu...) (webmail), December 13th, 2005. (Dada)

I can understand not liking the freak folk schtick of say, Joanna Newsom, or something, but what is the problem with people who do like freak folk? Why can't I listen to stuff like Devendra Banhart, Vetiver, Animal Collective, Vashti Bunyan, etc.? Dare I say it: rockism?

Mickey (modestmickey), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Folkism!

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

I'm only being crotchety over never-eending search by hipsters for somebody new's parade to rain on

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, you really are being a rockist here. But don't mind me, I'm going to go piss off and listen to Velvet Underground or something now.

Mickey (modestmickey), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

"tim hardin seems too country for the boho set, unfortunately"

I don't know...he gets kind of jazzy and veers more toward Terry Callier at times, which might hook some.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Devendra has really great taste in music! Except for his inexplicable Ella Jenkins love.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

not to mention that Tim Hardin made of the greatest psych/folk/jazz/blues albums ever!

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

And I agree, among the most vicious of the hipster's crime is their search for old music. Who are they kidding, trying to act as if they simply want to find old music that they enjoy? Their never-ending quest to denigrate past generations of artists merely by liking them and talking about them is one of the greatest unspoken crimes of today. My next book, "Musical Genocide" is on the subject.

Ward Churchill (modestmickey), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

not to mention that Tim Hardin made of the greatest psych/folk/jazz/blues albums ever!

which one is that? obv. i don't have it.

love the idea of vashti as "new" folk.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

well, i am always trying to find good music for hepcats to listen to and plunder. i could die happy if all the cool kidz had a suite for susan moore and damion-we are-one, all in one blasting from their boomboxes. or even Painted Head! an underrated album if their ever was one.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

that would be the aforementioned and x-posted suite for susan moore and damion, hstencil. one of my all-time faves and just an achingly beautiful rekkerd.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard any of his albums beyond the first two.

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

i don't have that one. a ton of his other songs mention this "susan moore" tho! i admit i haven't pulled out any of his lps to listen to, lately.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

She was his missus, right? Sorry, "old lady".

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

"ball and chain"

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

more like "syringe-supplier" probably

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

I think she probably tried to get him off the stuff - the expression "thankless task" comes to mind

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

yeah I actually have no idea how it went.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

hstencil, it was my understanding that the "nu" in "nu-freakfolke love" referred to "love" rather than "folk." ie, people just beginning to like folk music, be it old stuff (Vashti) or new (Devendra).

Mickey (modestmickey), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

i really love his Chemins de Terre album, which are the other good ones?

ian, Friday, 22 November 2013 23:29 (twelve years ago)

is there any connection between this guy and Malicorne?

Papa Roachford (NickB), Saturday, 23 November 2013 00:58 (twelve years ago)

both the yacoubs appeared on the above album before forming malicorne, think gabriel yacoub is also on the live album from around the same time? i've been looking for their pre-malicorne album without any luck.

my favourite stivell is def the reflets album. e langonned has some crazy sped up and layered bagpipe stuff from memory.

no lime tangier, Saturday, 23 November 2013 01:58 (twelve years ago)

You used to be able to get a box containing Olympia 72 & harpe celtique on cd pretty cheaply. Somebody shared some slightly later 70s lps that were less psych/prog/whatever on Pirate Bay recently which might still be up.
As far as I remember I first heard him through krsna friends in Dublin in the mid 90s.
It was weird seeing the bassist from AMT go into sean nos when they played Galway a few years ago. First thing i thought of was Stivell. Is La Novia celtic/breton folk based at least in terms of melody?

Stevolende, Saturday, 23 November 2013 10:24 (twelve years ago)

Looks like that Stivell box came out in 2005 and contained the 1993 reissues of the 2lps.

This looks interesting, if it isn't way to late
http://www.amazon.fr/Horizons-Celtiques-Alan-Stivell-Braz/dp/B00E8WL40Q/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1385202963&sr=8-3&keywords=stivell

I think those krsna heads had a video of him live in his heyday. So I assume he must have played Pop2 or Rockpalast or something. Might be worth looking around to see if it is available.
I can definitely put performance visuals to his music in my head so I must have seen them somewhere, either there or on late night tv somehwere else.

Stevolende, Saturday, 23 November 2013 10:41 (twelve years ago)

both the yacoubs appeared on the above album before forming malicorne, think gabriel yacoub is also on the live album from around the same time?

o rite, this makes sense, thanks!

Papa Roachford (NickB), Saturday, 23 November 2013 11:01 (twelve years ago)

It was weird seeing the bassist from AMT go into sean nos when they played Galway a few years ago. First thing i thought of was Stivell. Is La Novia celtic/breton folk based at least in terms of melody?

yeah definitely. kawabata said as much at the time. took me a while to get round to listening any stivell and then as soon as i heard it a big light bulb went on in my head as regards to what he was talking about. btw and slightly ot: someone said on twitter the other day that amt have started doing a version of all around my hat in their live set? got out of the habit of going to see them but heck do i wish i'd seen that

Papa Roachford (NickB), Saturday, 23 November 2013 11:08 (twelve years ago)

(sounded like a terrible idea tbh but shit i bet it was fun)

Papa Roachford (NickB), Saturday, 23 November 2013 11:09 (twelve years ago)

eleven years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZry6qIG9JU

Webinar in Wetherspoons (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 October 2025 23:19 (seven months ago)

That was a treat to watch. Thank you!

Now read it backwards. (dog latin), Sunday, 26 October 2025 07:05 (seven months ago)

My experience with Stivell's work is admittedly limited.

I had a formative experience of my mum sometimes playing a strange song sung in a language I didn't understand off a compilation of French hits from the 70s she owned when I was really little.

I carried the song around in my head for years to the point I didn't know if maybe I'd just invented it. I couldn't have told you what the style was. When I was little, I imagined it sung by eerie cowboys around a campfire late at night.

It was only until I decided to track down the compilation on Discogs one day that I learned it was Alan Stivell's "Suite Sudarmoricaine", a bawdy Breton song about goung to hospital with gonorrhea and throwing one's castrated penis out the window, only to have it devoured by a passing wolf.

As chance would have it, it wouldn't be long till I went to visit my partner's parents for the first time, and it turned out my father-in-law had just recently bought a couple of Alan Stivell's albums. We got talking about them, and it inspired me to buy two albums secondhand, Renaissance Of The Celtic Harp and a live concert from 1973.

Anyway, both of them are very good and extremely nice to just have on on the background.

I especially like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBMLoaKaf1Y

Now read it backwards. (dog latin), Sunday, 26 October 2025 08:20 (seven months ago)

Yes, classic album. His first album (as Alan Stivell) is particularly good but doesn't seem to get mentioned much.

https://i.discogs.com/wzqFGaznrrg9kc6kKnkENTFOW2D6NFOxdyObd6ATTLU/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:584/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTQzNDE2/NzgtMTYzOTkxMTI4/MC0zNDg4LmpwZWc.jpeg

Webinar in Wetherspoons (Tom D.), Sunday, 26 October 2025 08:31 (seven months ago)

TIL that "Marig ar Pollanton" is St Etienne "Former Lover"

fajita seas, Friday, 31 October 2025 00:13 (seven months ago)

i'd never heard him - "gaelic waltz" is lovely

she freaks, she speaks (map), Friday, 31 October 2025 01:11 (seven months ago)


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