The Specials: Ghost Town C/D

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I'd say mega classic!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:11 (twenty years ago)

Classic indeed. This goes without saying. I remember being quite young when it was a big hit, and thinking that something very bad must have happened wherever these Specials were from.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:15 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/230000/images/_232550_dermot_morgan150.jpg
"And now, the Irish National Anthem"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:16 (twenty years ago)

Aw, Dom beat me to it!

Lotta Continua (Damian), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:19 (twenty years ago)

It frightened the grandad out of me when I was young. I remember hearing it coming on the radio one night while I was in bed and not sleeping all night.

It's now one of my favourite songs.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:28 (twenty years ago)

As music director, I picked it to be the first song to be played when CJAM went FM in Windsor in 1983.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:58 (twenty years ago)

Stone cold Classic of course...last time I listened it occurred to me that Massive Attack could well have been trying to re-create it's vibe in which case it's a cornerstone of a whole heap of music since

grapple (grapple), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:09 (twenty years ago)

"Why must the youth fight against themselves? / Government leaving the youth on the shelf"

Classic.

cnwb (cnwb), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:27 (twenty years ago)

Undeniably classic.

Ben Dot (1977), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:09 (twenty years ago)

Classique.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:54 (twenty years ago)

classic.

ever notice how boring the video is?

Christopher Costello (CGC), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 05:03 (twenty years ago)

so incredibly classic

Sym Sym (sym), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:20 (twenty years ago)

Most lopsided classic-or-dud thread ever. "Ghost Town" is one of the greatest singles of all time.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:22 (twenty years ago)

As music director, I picked it to be the first song to be played when CJAM went FM in Windsor in 1983.
-- peepee

Jesus Christ, peepee - I believe I've met you!! You're PAT PETRO, right?! I DJ'd at CJAM for a year in '87-88! And my mentor (Jim something) told me that he actually REMEMBERED that initial "Ghost Town" airing - there was a huge recession, and it seemed that Windsor itself was becoming a ghost town, he said. Mentioned a highway overpass leading out of the city, on which somebody had spray-painted "Will the last person to leave Windsor please turn out the lights?"

I'm still stunned! (Assuming you ARE PP...)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 07:20 (twenty years ago)

I'd say mega classic!
-- Geir Hongro

For the first and probably last time I completely agree with you.

Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 09:45 (twenty years ago)

It is a truth that is self evident.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 09:48 (twenty years ago)

Agree with the comment about Massive Attack above: I once made a mixtape where Ghost Town segued almost seamlessly into Risingson. Or was it the other way round?

bham, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 09:54 (twenty years ago)

Soundtrack to the Thatcher recession: Those ascending haunted house diminished chords, the wailing of teenagers trying to spook themselves, the cartoon-like happy of the major-key middle 8. No other political record of that era managed to sound so effective, or retain its dignity and power intact today.

Craig Kenny (Dr X O'Skeleton), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 10:26 (twenty years ago)

classic classic classic

And recorded in Leamington Spa! Hurrah!

Ned T.RIfle II (Ned T.Rifle II), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:10 (twenty years ago)

First person to say "dud" gets tarred, feathered and banned from ever using a computer again. If you can't appreciate the genius of "Ghost Town," you have no business discussing music with anyone.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:13 (twenty years ago)

"Ghost Town" is a dud Killing Joke imitation.

Comstock Carabineri (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)

It was produced by the brother-in-law of one of my colleagues.

I assume it's about Coventry (or Bovventry as it's know locally ... bovva=aggro in UK parlance). I particularly like the Scooby Doo organ chords in the intros.

Jez (Jez), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:33 (twenty years ago)

i am proud to say that i spent my first 18 years in Coventry and it's just as bad as the song makes it out to be. the bit at the end of the video where they're chucking stones into the dank, murky canal, with crumbling bulidings in the background, says it all (whether or not it was filmed in Coventry; if not, i feel for the people who live wherever it was filmed). all the clubs were, indeed, closed down just like the song says. how can a city of a 1/4 million people not have one decent place to go on a saturday night?

the song, of course, is a classic. i'm surprised that it often gets wheeled out as the quintessential Specials song, though, since it's neither their best song nor all that representative of their stuff overall.

Lee F# (fsharp), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:58 (twenty years ago)

Who up there said the video is boring?

Man, clueless.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:32 (twenty years ago)

xxxxxxpost

Myonga, tis me, PP

peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:06 (twenty years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28TeUbYvXS0&search=ghost%20town%20

*that* video.

surely THE best way ever to have ended your classic line up era?

piscesboy, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Which Specials songs are better than Ghost Town, Lee? I can't think of any.

JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Can't really get more classic.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the link Pisces. Sorry to sound like an old git, but really they don't make videos like that any more, do they?

Daniel Giraffe (Daniel Giraffe), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the video piscesboy.

i am proud to say that i spent my first 18 years in Coventry and it's just as bad as the song makes it out to be. the bit at the end of the video where they're chucking stones into the dank, murky canal, with crumbling bulidings in the background, says it all (whether or not it was filmed in Coventry; if not, i feel for the people who live wherever it was filmed). all the clubs were, indeed, closed down just like the song says. how can a city of a 1/4 million people not have one decent place to go on a saturday night?

Having just watched it, I reckon it was filmed in London. One of the office blocks you can see near the start is the NatWest Tower, and another shot looks like the side of the Bank of England. I'm pretty sure the 'canal' at the end is the river Thames, east of the city centre before they started tarting up the docklands.

Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:37 (twenty years ago)

kids goddamned love it

bb (bbrz), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

i'd say Too Much Too Young and Gangsters are pretty uncontroversial picks as the best Specials songs, and are certainly my personal favourites. after a point, though, with songs that good that you've heard so often, it gets down to splitting hairs. i think my original point stands though - both singles i mention seem more like obvious Specials archetypes that Ghost Town.

Lee F# (fsharp), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:00 (twenty years ago)

The video boring!? But wouldn't you just love to be in that car, cruising the empty streets with the Specials.

cnwb (cnwb), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Too Much Too Young is boring.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:36 (twenty years ago)

both singles i mention seem more like obvious Specials archetypes that Ghost Town

Yep, that's definitely true. But I don't agree that either of them are better. Ghost Town doesn't sound like the Specials because it doesn't sound like anyone, but then that uniqueness is a big part of why it's great.

My second favourite Specials song is Friday Night, Saturday Morning...which was on the B-side, as it happens.

JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 00:14 (twenty years ago)

"Gangsters" is good. "Too Much Too Young" is not at all good. "Ghost Town" remains their best though.

Picking my second favourite it would probably be either "Stereotypes", "Do Nothing" or "Rat Race"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 00:40 (twenty years ago)

Great use in "Shawn of the Dead."

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 05:38 (twenty years ago)

Too Much Too Young is boring.
"Too Much Too Young" is not at all good.

i feel it is my duty to any young people who might have stumbled across this thread, young people whose friends have told them about two tone and the ska revival but who have yet to taste of its fruits, to expose these statements as the scurrilous, dumbfounding lies they are. this song is, on the contrary, SO good, it'll make you want to start a family with your teenage girlfriend. my duty is now discharged.

Lee F# (fsharp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:45 (twenty years ago)

Song - best single of the '80s
Video - it's classic too.

zeus (zeus), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:51 (twenty years ago)

Lee, it would be a lot better if it didn't go on for seven hours without really doing anything.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:41 (twenty years ago)

Lee, it would be a lot better if it didn't go on for seven hours without really doing anything.

i can spot two mistakes! no, i guess i see what you mean. i like that it goes on and on, but if you don't like the song to start with, that'll kill it for you sure as anything. it does speed up a little in the middle though, so you can't say it doesn't do anything. i also love the adolescent vitriol of the lyrics. i remember when i used to feel that strongly about things, before ground into apathy.

it's a shame that no one has stuck their neck out and tried to decry Ghost Town. there's nothing quite as flat as universal approval.

Lee F# (fsharp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:52 (twenty years ago)

yeh, i don't hate the song that much, i just tend to skip it because it goes on foreeeeveeer. little bitch pulls off the arrogance better imho.

one of the most underrated specials songs is "it doesn't make it alright".

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:16 (twenty years ago)

sixteen years pass...

I was watching Nardwuar interviewing Franz Ferdinand - and there's a moment in the pt2, just in the beginning of the video, where Alex Kapranos discuss listening to Ghost Town's master tapes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C1Bn5bt6k4

He mentions it is recorded live, goes for 15 min, and the single was edited down from it. Has this ever been released or bootlegged?

fpsa, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 15:48 (three years ago)

... and now I'm confused, because the description of the session seems way different from what he describes. The producer says:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Town_(The_Specials_song)

https://www.localrecords.com/ghost_town.htm

And so the experiment began. On the first day in the studio I wanted the rhythm tracks to be recorded: drums, bass, rhythm guitar and guide organ. The Specials usually recorded by all playing together live, but I was used to building a backing track bit by bit. They wouldn’t have all fitted in the studio anyway. I got drummer John Bradbury to set up just his bass drum, snare and hi hat; and bass player Horace Panter to plug directly into the mixer, going for a Sly and Robbie sound.

... I sorted out the beginning and end of Ghost Town by using my kit-built Transcendent 2000 synthesiser to make the ghost sound effect at the start of the final mix, fading up The Specials from Brad’s drum count-in and fading down the synthesiser under Jerry’s chromatic diminished chord sequence. At the end, I muted everything apart from bass, drums and backing vocals, dub style, and faded the ghost synth back up just before The Specials come to a halt, leaving the synth on its own again for a few seconds before the final fade.

maybe there's a final master with all these little touches left unfinished?

fpsa, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 15:56 (three years ago)

http://2-tone.info/articles/john_collins.html more here

fpsa, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 16:06 (three years ago)

well seems like bass drum and guide organ was recorded live with the overdubs on top.. thats what hes probs referring to

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 16:22 (three years ago)

yep, that's true!

also, there's more here: https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/specials-ghost-town

"The guy who played the flute was a member of the (Coventry-based New Wave) band King and we recorded him in the hallway with a microphone at the top of the stairs to get the natural reverb from the stairwell,” Rivers recalls. "However, overdubbing the flute nearly killed me because it was not on a free track. (Flugel horn player) Dick Cuthell and (trombonist) Rico Rodriguez had already gone back to London, and I had to record that flute by actually dropping in. Originally, the lead part was done on Jerry's guide organ before the flute was dropped in on the brass track. Well, I had to put a piece of tissue under my chin because sweat was dripping off my face due to it being so scary — one mistake and that would have been it!”

fpsa, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:07 (three years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMxI3usc8BA

fpsa, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:23 (three years ago)

seven months pass...

Soul Music episode:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001n1h5

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 22 June 2023 07:44 (two years ago)

heard that by accident at the weekend, really good. is the series an unofficial sequel to 'the people's songs'? seems similar but also a step up in quality.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 22 June 2023 08:19 (two years ago)

It's a long-running series. One of my favourite shows. Episodes are sporadic.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 22 June 2023 10:12 (two years ago)

d-_-b

rick james, critical moralist (Hunt3r), Thursday, 22 June 2023 14:49 (two years ago)


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