Can we discuss the new Matmos leak here even though Drew posts here

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cause I really like The Rose Has Teeth

― mikko (mikko), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:21 (twenty years ago)

yah its cool cuz most of us liked matmos way before drew started posting here!

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:27 (twenty years ago)

okay, so that's settled then.

― mikko (mikko), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:30 (twenty years ago)

i've never been crazy about matmos - although i have fond memories of seeing them in the basement of the harvard science centre a few years back - but this album is really, really awesome. every track makes me smile. the title track in particular brought a huge grin to my face the first time i heard it.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:35 (twenty years ago)

i haven't even looked for this yet, everyone's raving about it. i have to hearrrrrr it asap!

― rizzx, Thursday, 16 March 2006 09:01 (twenty years ago)

http://blog.resonancefm.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/matmos.jpg

― milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 16 March 2006 09:32 (twenty years ago)

title track roses & teeth for ludwig wittgenstein at matadorrecords.com

― b0ring, Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:21 (twenty years ago)

i've heard very good things about the joe meek and larry levan things

― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:23 (twenty years ago)

Donnybrook farm?

Whereabouts?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:28 (twenty years ago)

I think that's secret code for "Hawaiian sex farm."

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:52 (twenty years ago)

http://www.polarblairsden.com/gaylecaldwellbeverlyhillbillies.html

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

they hand-wrote 200 of those post-it notes. way to go, leakers.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 March 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

i think it was more like 500, stence.

amazing album, one of their best.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 16 March 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

i wonder if someone spitefully leaked it because of the note... i've only heard the song from the matador website, but i really really love it. the kid's voice that comes in every so often sounds almost like he's about to sing and i love it every time it happens.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

i haven't even heard this yet, wtf.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

mark don't wanna quibble, but only press here has gotten the advances, so definitely less than 500 have even been distributed. i don't even think i've given out staff copies yet.

if someone leaked it out of spite, they're even more of a douchebag than, say, a normal leaker.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

sorry, you're right, it's 250. i thought it was 250 each.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

doesn't really matter. sucks that people leaked it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

My note suggests I use the cd as a coaster, shaving mirror or cat toy rather than sell it or leak it.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

I'm impressed that they went to that much trouble; but it was really going to happen one way or another wasn't it? SOMEBODY's gonna leak it if it's on disc.
That said, I'll wait till it's commercially available. Unless you'd like to mail us a copy, Drew!

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)

The leak I saw was a scene release. Not that normal individuals ripping and upping the album is a lesser offense, but those scene guys have no ethics whatsoever and it's basically a dick measuring contest to see who can put whatever they get out there before anyone else does.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:16 (twenty years ago)

My note suggests I use the cd as a coaster, shaving mirror or cat toy rather than sell it or leak it.

-- Jerry the Nipper (jerrythenippe...), March 16th, 2006 6:48 PM. (Jerrynipper) (link)

So there's 250 different notes out there? Any fan site where we can see all of them?

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

is this coming out on sweet black vinyl?

― gear (gear), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

this thread is depressing

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

yes gear, it will be on vinyl. prolly a nice 150 or 180 gram pressing, i'd guess.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

use your frown as an umbrella, strongo

(nice! xpost)

― gear (gear), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:27 (twenty years ago)

illegal downloading is all fun and games until it hurts one of our own

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

otm

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

otm

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

ysi?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:40 (twenty years ago)

So is this gonna be available for download on iTunes then?

― Jena (JenaP), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

i agree that it's depressing... it's just one more thing that's made me want to find ways to make my downloading a more positive thing. it's certainly helped as far as my dj sets and getting a lot of music heard by people that would never hear it, but then it's not as though people even ask what things are that often. i'm downloading the matmos album right now, but i'll definitely buy it as well, just like i have all of their other releases.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:44 (twenty years ago)

also i no longer share any files on p2p networks... which has its own ethical connotations, but i figure people are free to ban me if they choose.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:45 (twenty years ago)

its pretty simple really. buy the records that you love, and don't burn records for other people without asking them to buy them if they end up loving them too.

(tangent: so far, the matmos leak has directly resulted in my purchasing one... book.)

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

i heard the rose number in the radio..i assumed promo's were out already...that track has piqued my interest in a severe way.

― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

someone "leak" all their handwritten notes! I love that shit.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:07 (twenty years ago)

If every CD came with a handwritten note from the artist, I would never illegally download again.

― Binjominia (Brilhante), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Actually, I live in Canada. Still a grey area.

― Binjominia (Brilhante), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

which book mark?

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

He said a book, not a bookmark.

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:31 (twenty years ago)

are your arms tired from just flying in?

― o -- (eman), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

So is this gonna be available for download on iTunes then?

yes, i'd bet so, as most matador titles are. other download providers like emusic will probably have it too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 March 2006 21:00 (twenty years ago)

philosophical investigations!

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 16 March 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

1.I love Matmos
2.I've yet to see better artwork than that for 'A chance to cut..'
3.I love Matmos.

― dr lulu (dr lulu), Thursday, 16 March 2006 21:10 (twenty years ago)

The Great Tyrant: The Mathmos has created this bubble to protect itself from your innocence.
The Great Tyrant: To the Mathmos with this winged fruitcake!
The Great Tyrant: You are so good you made the Mathmos vomit!

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 March 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

emusic eh? does this mean i can read matos on matmos?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 16 March 2006 21:29 (twenty years ago)

What's a "Scene release"?

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 16 March 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scene

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 16 March 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Contrary to popular belief, The Scene does not distribute to peer-to-peer networks. Members in The Scene believe that releases should stay within The Scene. However, people do leak releases into P2P networks and onto BitTorrent sites. When, or more likely if, the person responsible is traced, they are SceneBanned. Scene banning is essentially banning the leaker's username and IP/hostname from every site in The Scene. Generally, all releases are leaked to the P2P networks.

hahahaha "people"

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 March 2006 22:18 (twenty years ago)

"a humorous look at the movie piracy scene"

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 16 March 2006 22:19 (twenty years ago)

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slsk still works for me, but that's only because of the very genre specific rooms. The regular search is a joke.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 18 March 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)

That first quote mark isn in the wrong place.

― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Saturday, 18 March 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)

I know what you're saying, but are not "crazy record collectors just obsessive collectors of data" as well?

Maybe so. I've never really understood the record collector mentality either. Even if some of these dudes sharing 20,000 mp3s on s1sk love every song they have shared, and never spend a cent on music; their collections allow people like to sample music, which if I love, I'll not only buy, but I'll tell everyone within earshot how great it is. On the flipside I'm also more likely to try something a friend who knows my taste recommends than what a professional critic, who works for a publication that gets paid for advertising space by the same companies they are reviewing for, recommends to me. Not to say Pitchfork hasn't turned me onto some great music in the past, but they only review 4 albums a day. :)

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Saturday, 18 March 2006 01:10 (twenty years ago)

It might be a relatively small amount of people who use 5l5k but KaZaA etcetera still probably get more users per week than iTunes gets in a year.

― file under cozy techno (fandango), Saturday, 18 March 2006 12:36 (twenty years ago)

as an editor for a musicmagazine i have no problems whatsoever with downloading this and review it from mp3's, simply because we get lesser and lesser promo-material from certain sources

of course i'm gonna buy it when i like it and it seems that i really do

― rizzx (Rizz), Saturday, 18 March 2006 12:54 (twenty years ago)

It's da funk! The Civil War, an album I deeply treasure as much as I have a troubled relationship with, still sometimes feels like the 'soul' of the music got slain on the battlefield of war. It's a barren record, which is why I love and hate it so much (I love it for hating it, and hate it for loving it). But this one sees the ressurection of the 'soul' of Matmos' muzik. And I won't even get into the phunkyness of this record, it just feels sublimely alive, swooning and tender alltogether.

― Gerard (Gerard), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 00:30 (twenty years ago)

ps. Yay for the typewriters! (Rag for William S. Burroughs)

― Gerard (Gerard), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 00:49 (twenty years ago)

four weeks pass...

Drew, how's the stomach?

(nice interview, by the way)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 21 April 2006 11:28 (twenty years ago)

The time has come to shew all you flies the way out of the Fliegenglas (§309)

― R.O.Q.U.E. (RoqueStrew), Friday, 21 April 2006 11:45 (twenty years ago)

Gawd, I was sick as a dog that day, thanks to a dodgy meal of steak tartare the night before. I vomited during interviews, during photoshoots, you name it, I puked while doing it. I am better now.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 22 April 2006 08:30 (twenty years ago)

Glad you feel better, Drew!

― R.O.Q.U.E. (RoqueStrew), Saturday, 22 April 2006 08:55 (twenty years ago)

The new Matmos sounds (nothing) like the old Momus.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 07:15 (twenty years ago)

I like all the songs I managed to steal. i'll buy it when it's out. that's more than I can say for a bunch of stuff.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 07:19 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

It seems that the queer heroes and heroines sub-theme of our new record has brought out the creative side of the store-clerks at the Yokohama Tower Records, if the following photograph is anything to go by:

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― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 26 May 2006 05:50 (twenty years ago)

Argh, the picture didn't appear.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 26 May 2006 05:51 (twenty years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/71/153466830_eca5994e79.jpg

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 26 May 2006 06:14 (twenty years ago)

hahaha awesome.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 26 May 2006 06:16 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone translate the dialog bubble?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 26 May 2006 06:17 (twenty years ago)

drew, you got tits.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, and I have dog-paw-like hands too. I like how neither of us look all that excited about what's going down, we're just carrying on.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone translate the dialog bubble?

I would forfeit my own life for it to say "This Rose Has Teeth," but I don't think it does

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

I love the paws. Maybe the whole thing is a brilliant pun on "drew"?

― Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:31 (twenty years ago)

drew, when is the Conqueror Worm site going up?

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:35 (twenty years ago)

When I'm old and grey and living in the "Home for Old Show Folks"

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

no, no! sooner! i want access to my earliest clip! and I want access to the awesome imitations of Moz and Bob Smith!

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)

By the way, I loved steam and sequins. Also a good friend of mine who was way into hardcore just got the last soft pink truth album and was completely blown away.

He introduced me to rudimentary peni and was astounded to find one of their tracks on there.

Two weeks of talking about nothing but that.

― hector (hector), Friday, 26 May 2006 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Matmos: all business, all the time.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 26 May 2006 18:36 (twenty years ago)

Oh, matmospaws.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 26 May 2006 20:59 (twenty years ago)

drew i was one of the neighbors of the sf art institute who got to see your performance from my deck the other friday (12th?). It was awesome!

― daniel siedler (twoheadedboy), Friday, 26 May 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone translate the dialog bubble?

Here's what the sign says:

Pervert and insanely disgusting with genius taste.
Nice!! It's a new album of a gay couple, Matmos!!

The photo says "Because we are love-love..."
Arrows point out which one is a truckdriver and a main queen (I don't know those are correct words but that's what my dictionary says).

*Rest of them are just the normal description and some parts are not legible anyway.

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 27 May 2006 07:07 (twenty years ago)

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 27 May 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for taking a crack at it, Momus; now I'm confused, because my Japanese friend Yoshiaki Ando translated it as "Extremely intense and nice album which has abnormal and genius sense at the same time! New album from a gay couple, Matmos!". I prefer "insanely disgusting", personally. And thanks for hipping me to the "truckdriver / main queen" dichotomy, wow . . .

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 27 May 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

God, is this selling your albums? I'm just... speechless. So weird!

― regular roundups (Dave M), Saturday, 27 May 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Not to be too crass about it, but apparently it's doing quite well at that store. I wonder if they do this sort of display for every "couple band" (i.e. do they put up cartoons of Yo La Tengo, Low, Royal Trux, Mates of State, Coil, etc. having sex with each other?)

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 27 May 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

That is totally the subject of a book I would flip through at Half-Price Books... photos of couple-bands-fucking displays in a Japanese Tower Records, with no explanation provided in captions or text whatsoever. It could be a calendar even. Oooo! A couple-bands-fucking calendar! I'm sorry if I'm being crass, really.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Sunday, 28 May 2006 05:15 (twenty years ago)

new album is awesome. thanks hstencil!

― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 28 May 2006 08:31 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if this thread is the place for discussion of the actual content of the new Matmos album, but what the hell, I'd just like to say that I find this idea "the rose has teeth in the mouth of a beast" fantastically suggestive and interesting. It's more interesting than 90% of the ideas that make it through to pop records in the form of lyrics, titles, descriptions of relationships, images. I know it's a quote from Wittgenstein, and therefore doesn't come from Matmos themselves, but I still think it bespeaks great intelligence and boldness that they chose to relay it in the way they did.

I came across a similar idea in the David Attenborough documentary "The Private Life of Plants". Attenborough was describing how grass in Africa uses elephants to clear the land of its competitors, and has done so for centuries. So, in a sense, "the grass has a trunk on the head of an elephant". And, in a sense, Wittgenstein, though dead, has teeth in the album of an excellent conceptual pop group.

― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:31 (twenty years ago)

I really must get this. Happily I will be at Amoeba tomorrow. And that sign is truly WTF.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:35 (twenty years ago)

tachi and neko mean 'butch' and 'femme', respectively (up until now I'd only heard of them used in a lesbian context? I thought there was a different divide for male couples, 'pitcher'/'catcher', but maybe there's a different nuance). but 'truckdriver' and 'main queen' sound kind of fun as well.

'tondemonaku egui' is like 'grotesquely intense' or something? a bit too much to take.

― permanent revolution (cis), Sunday, 28 May 2006 14:13 (twenty years ago)

The promos of this didn't include the track for Yukio Mishima, which is my favourite

IS there a site that will tell me how all of the different fetish-samples were gleaned, is that really cum dripping away, frinstance

pruriently,

― nikki weber (nikudnik), Sunday, 28 May 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

•Ï‘Ô could mean abnormal or perverted
‚¦‚®‚¢ = harsh OR bizarre/grotesque
ƒZƒ“ƒX = sense (literally) OR taste (implied as "good taste" in this case)

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 1 June 2006 06:02 (twenty years ago)

The promos of this didn't include the track for Yukio Mishima, which is my favourite

american version doesn't have it, except maybe the vinyl, i forget.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

The vinyl has it!

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

dat's right. i coulda just walked five feet and looked.

both the vinyl and cd look great, btw, so buy both!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Drew, did you consider a portrait of Alan Turing, or was that too cliché?

Also, awesomeness OTM!

― barnaby69 (barnaby68), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:02 (twenty years ago)

No, we very much wanted to do a portrait of Turing but we didn't get access to an Enigma machine in time (we had to turn the album in by November of last year). But, as luck would have it, we got commissioned by the Mathematical Sciences Research Institute in Berkeley to come up with a special "math related" program to play at the dedication ceremony of their new research center, and so we got to do a speical 40 minute Turing piece there. Through some math community people that I know we were put in touch with Crypt0graphy R3s3arch; the CEO of that company owns an actual functioning Nazi Enigma device. So we played one live. It was a pretty crazy show. We played to a private audience of 170 mathematicians, 97% of whom had no idea who we were or what the hell we were doing. Anyway, we're working now on a studio version of the Turing pieces, so our Enigma machine piece is on its way . . .

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:17 (twenty years ago)

special, it should say

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:18 (twenty years ago)

wow!

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Can you name the 5 mathematicians who did get it?

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:41 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

Been caning this lately. For anyone w/the vinyl, does the Mishima track warrant a portrait?

― etc, Friday, 25 October 2013 12:45 (twelve years ago)

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