is TECHMO funny, or dumb?

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you know ... techno + emo ... a la James Holden, Nathan Fake, certain Kiki ... the super "progressive" type techno ... it's so emotional.

personally, i think "techmo" is kinda rad. dumb, but rad.

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Thursday, 23 March 2006 04:01 (twenty years ago)

http://www.dragons-lair-project.com/dave/images/tecmo.jpg

― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 March 2006 05:23 (twenty years ago)

the genre or the genre name?

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 23 March 2006 05:25 (twenty years ago)

let's just say i think the genre name is dumber, but only by a little bit

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 23 March 2006 05:26 (twenty years ago)

my fetish: neologisms. so, i think it's kinda great, but still kinda dumb. somebody please tip the scales.

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Thursday, 23 March 2006 05:38 (twenty years ago)

http://www.gametronik.com/site/rubriques/nes_famicom/Jeux/Tecmo%20Bowl/Tecmo%20Bowl.png

― 6335, Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:18 (twenty years ago)

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― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:22 (twenty years ago)

techno with emotion is techmo? what's the rest then? souless machine music presumably....

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:25 (twenty years ago)

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― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:25 (twenty years ago)

talk about giving vahid bait!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:25 (twenty years ago)

techno with emotion is techmo? what's the rest then? souless machine music presumably....

rofl

― Jena (JenaP), Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:46 (twenty years ago)

MCR new single!! remixes by Holden, Fake & Apparat!!

― file under cozy techno (fandango), Thursday, 23 March 2006 09:26 (twenty years ago)

um, i think maybe the reason that the name is funny is: that's the implication. i mean, i know that was supposed to be poignant and everything, but that's the idea. funny. silly. get it?

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Thursday, 23 March 2006 09:26 (twenty years ago)

POX: Top Ten Tecmo Super Bowl Players

― gear (gear), Thursday, 23 March 2006 09:33 (twenty years ago)

I get it. Certainly funnier than nu-prog house/trance!

I think there's a fine tradition of genre names getting bent out of shape when they hit a different audience (see Mixmag & "Minimal Funk" and probably better examples I can't think of right now).

I want that first jpg on a t-shirt :-D

― file under cozy techno (fandango), Thursday, 23 March 2006 09:39 (twenty years ago)

I'd have thought Tecmo would be stuff like Schneider TM, Postal Service, Panic At The Disco, DNTEL and all that junk, no?

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 23 March 2006 12:37 (twenty years ago)

isn't that stuff just indie-pop with beats?

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 23 March 2006 12:44 (twenty years ago)

It's dumb as fuck. Or funny with a deep Southern drawl and a retarded face.

― blunt (blunt), Thursday, 23 March 2006 12:45 (twenty years ago)

and there's already a word for 'techmo'--trance! trance: it's like the eight-hundred-pound gorilla in the middle of the room

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 23 March 2006 12:47 (twenty years ago)

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 23 March 2006 13:31 (twenty years ago)

i thought it was microhouse.

― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 23 March 2006 13:44 (twenty years ago)

here's a list of some mixes and comps that james holden's tracks have appeared on:

Future Sound Of Trance Spring 2000
Gatecrasher: Global Sound System
Trance Nation
Trancemaster 2005
Trancendence - The First Wave
Universal Trance Volume Five
Cream Future Trance
Trance Nation 2002
Heaven - Deep Trance Essentials

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 23 March 2006 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Heavens! ;-)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 23 March 2006 14:36 (twenty years ago)

(did you realise your name is an anagram for "hard trance"? ;-))

― willem -- (willem), Thursday, 23 March 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Holden used to play trance. but i dunno if that means his new stuff is also trance. i do like the way border community stuff is hard to pigeonhole.

if anything, Lump sounds like Aphex Twin but for the floor.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 23 March 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I dunno if I would call Holden trance. That sounds like a stretch. Definately an influence, but so are shoegaze, pop, and hip hop. But he's none of those either.

If I had to describe it to someone who didn't know I'd say something like "really layered progressive micro house." I dunno. It's weird stuff.

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Friday, 24 March 2006 04:58 (twenty years ago)

I always thought this term meant emo made with machines a la Imogen Heap, Electric President etc. As opposed to techno with emotions.

Either way it's stupid.

But Imogen Heap and Electric Presidenta are still great tunes. Well done The OC.

― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 24 March 2006 05:06 (twenty years ago)

Reading the Holden interviews I've read lately I get the impression that recent history is being rewritten to suit his newer audience. Not three years ago he was Sasha's #1 protégé tranceboy, whatever he has achieved since shouldn't hide where he's coming from and how (fast) he got where he is now.

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 24 March 2006 05:59 (twenty years ago)

the guy is obviously embarrassed by his roots but i say give him a break. i made some shitty music when i was 19 too.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:06 (twenty years ago)

He can have all the breaks in the world ! Still the journey not the arrival matters :)

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:11 (twenty years ago)

people complaining about trance reminds me of the kids in my high school who would everyone they weren't punk enough.

i guess if you like trance, at all, you aren't authentically "techno" ... or something. as if any of us came out of the womb listening to Plastikman. who cares. faux-elitist bullshit really.

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:21 (twenty years ago)

O RLY

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:22 (twenty years ago)

I came out of the womb listening to ? records, Plastikman is lame. SRSLY!

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:33 (twenty years ago)

F**K! Can't get any of my symbols working properly today, how does one type Greek or Cyrillic on this thing? The '?' was referring to Philus.

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:35 (twenty years ago)

i still regret passing up a $2.99 copy of holden's mix for silver planet. what does that early holden sound like? epic progtrance? trancey tech-house? i imagine it sounds something like circulation, but buzzier. paul van dyk?

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:38 (twenty years ago)

cameron, i don't think anyone on this thread is "complaining" about trance.

there's plenty of techno out there that's just as boring, bombastic, trite, and by-the-numbers as the kind of whooshy, gooey, indistinguishable trance that gets played out at big glitzy superclubs. and i like a lot of old plastikman tracks, but i hardly worship at the altar of richie hawtin.

i for one welcome our new micro-trance lizard overlords!

― geeta (geeta), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:39 (twenty years ago)

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― blunt (blunt), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:43 (twenty years ago)

remember when we worked out last year that the sasha 'fundacion' mix and the damian lazarus 'suck my deck' mixes were pretty much the same?

― geeta (geeta), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:44 (twenty years ago)

I heard Holden's 'Balance' 2 CD set and it's very fixed on progressive house, lots of syrup, plenty of divas etc. It's also kind of an interesting document of Holden's background, like bBlunt was mentioning above. One of the highlights for me was Petter's 'All Together' on Disc 1, which was also one of Border Community's first records. somefewxposts

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:47 (twenty years ago)

"cameron, i don't think anyone on this thread is "complaining" about trance."

geeta, appreciated, but that was a side tangent. not directed at this thread ... just the general anti-trance point of view that i am sure we've all encountered from certain techno dudes and dudettes.

i assure you, not an attack on anyone.

my sentiments don't translate well into internet speak ... i'm really not as offensive as it comes across. and i didn't even know that it did until i started threads on ILM. so, sorry ... it was just a sidenote.

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:52 (twenty years ago)

Yeah these word-things are tricky sometimes !

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 24 March 2006 06:55 (twenty years ago)

cameron--no, i understand--i know plenty of technoids in new york like that, who are so ubercoolische-minimal that they automatically turn their noses up at all kinds of good music, just because it doesn't fit their needlessly rigid and codified criteria of what's cool. so much so that they'll roll their eyes when a track comes on with the smallest bit of trance or disco or house or happiness or groove in it. i hate that kind of minimal-techno tunnel vision. i spend a lot more time these days with house and disco and jazz and indian classical music than i do with straight-up techno. i also noticed i started getting bored when the hard techno djs started djing sets exclusively with ableton live--it's just, watching people mix straight-up 4/4 techno tracks that are all basically at the same bpm for hours and hours on ableton can be pretty much the most boring thing ever. these days i usually just stay home, get drunk for a quarter of the price, and play records on my old technics.

― geeta (geeta), Friday, 24 March 2006 07:02 (twenty years ago)

i just hope that we're not like that.

― geeta (geeta), Friday, 24 March 2006 07:03 (twenty years ago)

i like the Balance CD. it's not so indicative of the epic trance of Horizons which makes Holden squirm these days though. I much prefer Balance to At The Controls, which on first listen seems very eclectic and not so dance-oriented.

In retrospect, was this CD the death knell of prog?

I saw him spin last month at the Berghain in Berlin and it was very, very good. It makes me laugh that techno people won't go and see him. I'm trying to convince two people to come out to see him next month who are not having any of it. techno snobs - gotta love 'em.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 24 March 2006 07:23 (twenty years ago)

Jena is right about Petter All Together. not only a decent tune but he runs Baby Ford - Bad Friday underneath it for five minutes. That'll annoy 'em.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 24 March 2006 07:39 (twenty years ago)

uh i tell a lie. the Petter track mixed with Baby Ford is These Days.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 24 March 2006 07:46 (twenty years ago)

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― gear (gear), Friday, 24 March 2006 08:02 (twenty years ago)

I've met a few minimal tech diehards who enjoyed seeing Holden play live. Holden's Balance is really good. I think there's a thread or two about it somewhere. So is Chris Fortier's Balance 007. I'm sure there are several threads about prog/micro crossover. I think Tim Finney wrote somewhere that the progressive crowd saw the new stuff as a development in prog. Also if remember seeing Sydney prog DJs top 10s last year that seemed to be full of German minimal stuff.

― Telegram Sam, Friday, 24 March 2006 08:15 (twenty years ago)

The tracklist for that Holden R1 essential mix was surprising to me (this could partly have been due to the sound quality too) it's all kinda epic, rumbling, fluffy prog-trance stuff with plenty effects/tricky mixing & stuff.

But the tracks themselves seem to be nearly all IDM/electro-pop in origin! Not stuff I'd expect to work on the dancefloor, as non-difficult dance fodder at all.

― file under cozy techno (fandango), Friday, 24 March 2006 09:01 (twenty years ago)

"i still regret passing up a $2.99 copy of holden's mix for silver planet. what does that early holden sound like? epic progtrance? trancey tech-house? i imagine it sounds something like circulation, but buzzier. paul van dyk? "

This is pretty much spot on vahid!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 24 March 2006 09:41 (twenty years ago)

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