t/s: "black sunday" vs "36 chambers"

"outlaw kickin like billy ray cyrus"

"i'm high strung click i'm sprung cause i don't live on the hum drum"

"sunday morning wake it's storming raindrops fallin on my head it's pourin cats and dogs pigs in a wagon, looking for the afro one that's sagging SCOOOOOOBY DOOOOOO where the fuck are you???"

"had a bad dream woke up in a casket, now i can't even get at the bastard BULLSHIT this pine box ain't strong enough to contain the afro locks! bell rings snapped out the dream what the fuck's up with the funny red beam ... damn, i feel dumb! where did the shotgun blast come from?"

"hear me growl: grrr! howl! got the night vision like the WISE OLD OWL. comin to fetch ya, yeah home i wet ya and bury them bones under my home"

etc etc that's just the 1st half of them album.

Yeah I know I'm just playing. Seriously though I haven't listened to Black Sunday since I was like 15 I think. So I'd have to listen again.

also wu tang has no party anthems like "insane in the brain" or "hits from the bong"

And CH has no posse cuts like "Protect Ya neck" or rainy creaky nocturnal mournful nightmare tracks like "C.r.e.a.m."!

... like "C.r.e.a.m."?

i gotta disagree with this statement. both are doing the murky-noises stoned beats thing but muggs usually isn't going for off-kilter the way rza is. muggs has got more of the rolling flowing headnodding beats happening, which i'd rather listen to these days anyway.

shocked is what i am

He has the passion of his convictions.
But we have truth on our side.

i think temples of boom is my fave cypress hill. call me crazy!

despite owning a psycho realm album since 1997, i have never managed to listen to the whole thing. i can never get past the second side. on the other hand, i have no desire to go back and listen to old killarmy rekkerds. wait, i'm lying. i would totally listen to that first killarmy rekkerd if i had a copy lying around.

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CUZ HE'S TOO STONED TO FINISH IT!!!

i don't think i'd need more than five or six cypress hill tracks, and probably only two or three from this album. i like "i want to get high" quite a bit, though...

rilly tho, 36 Chambers if only for "keep feeding ya and feeding ya and feeding ya".

i call you otm, sir!

muggz got cali blunt music to a science thou

as for albums id say 36 chambers because it defined a rap movement that shaped hip hop as we all know it today
as for black sunday its hot but not as hot as 36 chambers
now im not saying anything about either groups skill as rappers but more the style ch is more upbeat weed anthems mixed with gang theatrics where as 36 chambers mixed hiphop with kung fu but also mixed the whole essence of newyork city life within its 14 tracks 36 was more deep,unforgiving n personal

wu 36 chambers has my vote

but i like cyprus jus as much but my fav album from them is def. revamped & remixed i still get high to that vinyl any cypus fan should cop it

agree w/thread consensus that 36 takes this but it's still an interesting contrast. Muggs is not on RZA's level but the vibe of Black Sunday is still really something -- there's something deeply moody about it

Muggs is great

This is one fucked opinion, wow

oh yeah, as far as sidekicks go, sen dog > raekwon
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lol @ Rae as a 'sidekick' omg

how is this even a question

36 chambers >>> every hip-hop album that isn't called Illmatic

Black Sunday has better beats but 36 Chambers has more varied raps, it's hard to compare. B-Real is great and can ride the beat better most of the Wu dudes, but obviously he can't bring such breadth of styles and subjects to the table as 8 rappers can. Though when it comes to follow-ups, Temples of Boom is better than any group album Wu released after 36 Chambers.

That Muggs/GZA joint album mentioned upthread was a bit of a disappointment, though it wasn't really Muggs' fault, GZA just sounds tired on it.

I have to try to filter out 20 years of B Real phoning it in to try to think of him as he felt to me at the time

I heard part of a radio interview with B Real the other day and someone called in asking how they approach wanting to have more new material in live performances versus doing the classics when the audience might be expecting classics

most of his response was "man I hate going to see a band and they're not playing the hits, we're a hits-first group when it comes to shows!!"

Temples of Boom is better than any group album Wu released after 36 Chambers.

wu tang forever is better

36 chambers > illmatic

honestly i'm still reeling from someone claiming sen dog is better than raekwon, but been listening to the s/t cypress hill and black sunday and i think the s/t is better by far...though muggs def got a lot more adept as a producer and black sunday is more complex and modern there's really something special about the first ablum, the complete nihilistic violence coupled with the weird looney tunes antic energy of it, b real was already starting to coast by black sunday, i don't think he ever got close to the first album

that said, black sunday is still a great rap album but i'd put the first one up against 36 chambers (and tbh they feel more of a piece in a way, though 36 chambers is 93 like BS, feels like something from a bit earlier and more a piece with the 91 s/t cypress hill

Black Sunday??? The only great Cypress Hill album is their debut. 36, on the other hand, is an all-timer.

36 chambers > illmatic

wonder how this one would poll

wu would win 60/40 imo

they reference and recycle so many lines and phrases from the first album on black sunday and they are already p much rewriting songs with "hand on the glock"

this album is less impressive the more i scrutinze it, i mean it's still good, but that's mostly muggs i think that b real and sen dog are not great on a lot of this

classic ILM challops thread premise

but been listening to the s/t cypress hill and black sunday and i think the s/t is better by far..

I like Black Sunday fine but this seems p indisputable to me. The s/t is a much stranger and unique hybrid of Rammellzee + Bomb Squad + west coast gang culture, by the time Black Sunday came out Muggs had pared things down to this more gothic minimalism sorta style and B-Real/Sen Dog had an established formula that they stuck to. Muggs did have a great run for his first couple years - not quite as prolific or groundbreaking as RZA's - but the first couple Cypress Hill records + House of Pain + various remixes and one-offs all have such a great sound.

actually really glad for this thread, because I'm listening to Iii-Temples of Boom and honestly, I think it's way better than Black Sunday in retrospect

forgot they had such beef with Cube!

this actually feels more like the album ppl were talking about, i think the beats are deeper and more mournful and dusted, b real is way more engaged imo, and there's a darker depressing edge to a lot of the lines

forgot they had such beef with Cube!

thought that all started with him biting one of their hooks for the Friday sdtk or something?

yeah the lyrics don't get specific but yeah they accusing him of biting
also mention King Sun who said Cube stole "Wicked" from him when he was on the east coast

my memory is that they claimed the hook from the song "Friday" ("Oh yeah, throw ya neighborhood in tha air/If ya don't care") was something Cypress Hill already had on a track that Cube heard the demo of and then he took it for himself. Which is sorta ehhh okay as far as authorship claims go, I mean that's hardly a memorably original hook or anything.

Haha yeah you stole our slight alteration of literally the most used rhyme in the history of hip hop!

this morning I dialed up a mixtape I got a few years back that I hadn't thought of in a long while before this thread -- Planet Asia & DJ Muggs, "Pain Language" -- it's really a solid listen, it's pretty deeply Wu-endebted, right down to the samples, but the beats are really sweet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wfu-HGRwO4