S&D: weirdest musics ever

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in a Wire sometime ago Drew Daniel described John Duncan's Blind Date where Duncan performs necrophilia on a Mexican body. This has to be the sickest musical thing ever. But maybe there's more...not only talking about sick and perverse stuff but out there stuff in general

a few i came up with

Alvin Lucier – I Am Sitting in a Room
Matmos – A Chance to Cut is a Chance to Cure
M.A. Numminen, Tommi Parko, Pe - Eleitä kolmelle röyhtäilijäll
The Conet Project – The Conet Project
Nurse With Wound – Chance Meeting on the Dissection Table
Lou Reed – Metal Machine Music
John Coltrane - Olatunji Concert: The Last Live Recording
Brokenhearted Dragonflies – Insect Electronica from Southeast Asia
Karl-Heinz Stockhausen – Hymnen
Nihilist Spasm Band – ‘Destroy the Nations’
Residents – The Commercial Album

what else? everything that made you go "wtf!" (in a eew/whoa kinda way )qualifies

rizzx (Rizz), Sunday, 26 March 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)

runzelstirn & gurgelstock to thread with speculum

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Sunday, 26 March 2006 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Prick Decay
Hermann Nitsch
RLW
Mika Vainio solo (Ought, Philus)
Costes

sleeve (sleeve), Sunday, 26 March 2006 17:35 (twenty years ago)

alva
milovan srdenovic
shadow ring
agog
nautical almanac (live)

what was that cd of someone in intensive care crashing and eventually dying? the one that i don't ever want to hear?

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Sunday, 26 March 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)

VOLVOX!

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Sunday, 26 March 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)

thanks so far guys, gonna check all these out. hopefully slsk has them ;)

rizzx (Rizz), Sunday, 26 March 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Of course, at this point someone has to point out the ultimate in online incredibly strange music: The 365 Days Project by Otis Fodder. 365 uber-obscure and (mostly) super-strange tracks collected over the course of 2003. Check out http://www.ubu.com/outsiders/365/index.html. For sheer out-there-ness I recommend Children's Disco Musical Stories by Sharda (scroll down).

Herr Fahrstuhl (Herr Fahrstuhl), Sunday, 26 March 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

you all need to get out more.

Jack Cole (jackcole), Sunday, 26 March 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

weird for the sake of weird is pointless. go to a circus sideshow instead.

Jack Cole (jackcole), Sunday, 26 March 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

thanks for your comments. you may go now.

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Monday, 27 March 2006 03:44 (twenty years ago)

el sabor otm about Volvox, hell the whole Dual Plover label.

also:

Vagina Dentata Organ
Mieses Gegonge

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:40 (twenty years ago)

weird for the sake of weird is pointless

this is true, but you forget the FUN part in weird and most of the records i listed are very enjoyable, dont know about the others yet ;) and that Ubu link is just awesome

Rizz (Rizz), Monday, 27 March 2006 06:08 (twenty years ago)

how is any of this stuff particularly weird? are the residents still weird? does time make things less weird?

i mean, most of the records listed up at the top of this thread are pretty old--are albums that may have been considered extremely far-out when they were released, or were met with mostly negative reception when they were released, get the same reception if they were released today? 'metal machine music' is now 31 years old! that's older than i am! when i heard 'metal machine music' for the first time, i listened to it with the frame of reference of someone who spent their teenage years listening to big '90s ambient electronic/house records (the orb, etc) and '80s junkyard noise like neubauten. it didn't sound so weird to my ears--it sounded like just another ambient record! a little noisy maybe, but an ambient record nonetheless.

geeta (geeta), Monday, 27 March 2006 06:41 (twenty years ago)

Ok, i think that's a pretty good standard to go by. Some of these records will get the same reception as they got back then. I think I Am Sitting In a Room would be a good example. Same goes for 'Eleitä kolmelle röyhtäilijäll' and Matmos' album, if only it weren't so perfectly listenable.

Don't forget we are the ones who get used to all of this, the majority of people will still go wtf when they hear these records!

rizzx (Rizz), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:33 (twenty years ago)

and like that John Duncan record, Blind Date, there are always things that push boundaries even further, into realms we dont even know yet

rizzx (Rizz), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:34 (twenty years ago)

agree w/ The Shadow Ring, also Graham Lambkin's Poem. and i'd add Asmus Tietchens and Werkbund.

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Monday, 27 March 2006 14:12 (twenty years ago)

i am sitting in a room can be as "weird" or as "normal" as you want it to be, depending on how much you're paying attention to it, how deep you get into what lucier is doing, what your setting is, what your upbringing is.

i've played all sorts of conventionally 'weird' records for my father. he doesn't bat an eye at the most out-there sun city girls record i've thrown at him, for instance, and he quite enjoys the sublime frequencies comps that i've made him listen to. but if you played him 30 seconds of the beatles or the rolling stones or something like that, he'd be yelling at you to shut it off, this is so unlistenable, this is so fucked up, this is noise, etc etc.

geeta (geeta), Monday, 27 March 2006 14:14 (twenty years ago)

that really shows it's all about context. if i make my sister listen a Sublime Frequencies comp she'd tell me I'm weird, my father would understand it but rather listen to 'tunes', my mother would just frown and say as little as possible.

rizzx (Rizz), Monday, 27 March 2006 14:35 (twenty years ago)

what's weird about Werkbund?

el sabor, you must mean Life Everlasting, Amen, by I Saw It All Happen From Beginning To End And Sometimes I Still Can´t Believe What I Saw (AKA Jeff Sedgley and The UK Ambassador of Elgaland-Vargaland). now that's a weird cd. and what an eat-your-heart-out-emo-fucks-you-didn't-think-of-it-first name.

Ghost Bear Junior High Attendance Party (echoinggrove), Monday, 27 March 2006 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Not really music, but this one's a pretty disturbing listen:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/jimjonestopy.jpg

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 27 March 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

re: Werkbund--i know, it's a lot more 'listenable' than more extreme stuff mentioned above, but it's very disorienting. and then there's the odd german recitations, and air of mystery...

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Monday, 27 March 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

dont know if this counts as music, but in the 90s a guy put out a double disc set of dogs freaking out in a pound and gave it away for free, called it 'dog pound found sound' I never could sit through the whole thing though..

Gwolfcow, Monday, 27 March 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000003BG6.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

sonore (sonore), Monday, 27 March 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Does any music strike you as truly weird, Geeta? It's true that the more you hear of what is usually considered weird the less weird it seems. Not much seems weird to me these days outside maybe Nurse With Wound.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

one of the music nerd things i am very proud of is my crispin hellion glover's "the big problem" on vinyl.

i still find the residents to be delightfully weird.

you know who's really weird, though? this guy: www.mizar.us

Emily B (Emily B), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

the Ohio Players own this thread...that poor woman getting snuffed in the next studio while "Love Rollercoaster" was being recorded...and then not editing her screams from the final version...that's kinda weird...

hank (hank s), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:43 (twenty years ago)

The real source of the scream -- and the origins of the rumor -- were explained by Ohio Player Jimmy "Diamond" Williams:

There is a part in the song where there's a breakdown. It's guitars and it's right before the second verse and Billy Beck does one of those inhaling-type screeches like Minnie Ripperton did to reach her high note or Mariah Carey does to go octaves above. The DJ made this crack and it swept the country. People were asking us, 'Did you kill this chick in the studio?' The band took a vow of silence because that makes you sell more records.

from snopes.com

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 27 March 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

hey mark! do i find music weird? sure, i think a lot of things are weird--just not much of the stuff on this thread! someone burned me like five mp3 cds' worth of vintage miami bass, which is all i've been listening to for the past few days, and some of that stuff i find deeply weird. the first time i heard breakbeat hardcore with the sped-up chipmunk vocals, i thought that sounded really weird. the first time i heard gamelan music, i thought it sounded pretty weird.

but 'metal machine music' -- i mean, i used to put it on each night to go to bed! that's like fluffy-bunny sleepytime music!

geeta (geeta), Monday, 27 March 2006 21:48 (twenty years ago)

(i'm speaking in this case about the vinyl of 'metal machine music'; i have the CD version too and i think it sounds colder and more metallic, less mellifluous somehow)

geeta (geeta), Monday, 27 March 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

I think 'weird' is probably a strange word to use, as one's definition of weird depends entirely on a) the ears, b) exposure to a large body of music/sound, and c) how weird one is as a person.

My vote for weirdest music is Jimmy's "Spin the Bottle"/"White Christmas" 45. Found it in a bin, listened to it, and still have no idea what the hell it's about.

The best thing on the 365 Days site is The Frugal Gormets "Satan's Blood." Nothing else comes close.

trees (treesessplode), Monday, 27 March 2006 22:15 (twenty years ago)

I have mp3s made my hamsters hitting key triggers... it sounds like martian gamelan.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 27 March 2006 22:21 (twenty years ago)

^"my" = "by"^

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 27 March 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

i have the CD version too and i think it sounds colder and more metallic, less mellifluous somehow

that's because it's less expensive and easier to find.

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 01:27 (twenty years ago)

S: Which I presume means the weird I'm head over heels for. For starters:

Some tangentally related vocal madness:

Dokaka - human beatbox covers (mostly heavy metal) on www.dokaka.com see also Bjork's Medula and the We Love Katamari game soundtrack for more.

Kecak from Bali the complete Ramayana monkey chant (remember that bit from the movie Baraka?}

Paul Lansky: More than Idle Chatter academic computer music phoneme cut-ups.

Odd string instruments:

Ellen Fullman: Body Music just intonation drones on an 80 ft. long longitudinal vibration harp.

On a similar note, check out Australian neurologist Alan Lamb's contact mic recordings of abandoned telephone wires: Primal Image and Night Passage, now OOP.

Conlon Nancarrow: Studies for Player Piano - the most rhythmically complex music ever (AFAIK), think baroque to ragtime contrapunctualism with multiple dynamic tempos or parts played at irrational tempo relations. At high volume, the perfect lease breaker/party ender.


D: Don't have time in my life to catalog the dross, but I'll put a word in for Jap power electronic noise as being some of the most useless "weird" music on the planet.

I try to share the OOP portions of my collection (incl some of the above) as pirouette on slsk, but am currently in the midst of a move.

sombrehombre, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 03:00 (twenty years ago)

that's because it's less expensive and easier to find

nope. go ahead and listen to them side by side...there's a big difference! i'm not an insane music collector or anything and i'm hardly an audiophile, but even i picked up on this.

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 03:15 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if Lou intended MMM to be "fluffy-bunny sleepytime music" ?

Jeff K (jeff k), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 03:24 (twenty years ago)

nope. go ahead and listen to them side by side...there's a big difference!

i was just goofin'! i've not heard the vinyl but i'd be willing to bet the remastering team didn't really give a shit about matching the original sound.

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 03:59 (twenty years ago)

Edward, that Jim Jones record is actually a "reissue" of a Vagina Dentata Organ picture disc...

Also, the "human beatbox covers" band reminded me of JudJud, truly another great weird band.

Wild Man Fischer's solo recordings?

sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 04:00 (twenty years ago)

Also wanna second the Asmus Tietchens. "Aus Freude Am Elend" is truly one of the weirdest records I own.

sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 04:01 (twenty years ago)

geez geeta, in your world Metal Machine Music might sound like fluffy-bunny music but in most people's worlds it's still a nightmare. I'm talking more in general, in a historic perspective even. You act like everybody puts on MMM when they go to bed! We're not all THAT WEIRD!! ;)

rizzx (Rizz), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 05:21 (twenty years ago)

It's true though - by this point in time we shouldn't really be finding self-conscious art students deliberately striving to be shockng to be in any sense 'weird'. Contrived attempts to make horrible noise are ancient news.

Personally I find music 'weird' when it has an aesthetic that's clearly a historical artifact and that I have no frame of reference on. Like Latin freestyle is deeply weird with all the out-of-key singing and slightly paedo-inflected little girl voices and insane amounts of echo. How could this ever have been 'pop'?

Also: 80s christmas rap records. Those are fucking strange, like "Dana Dane is coming to town" or "Let the jingle bells rock". It's just a combination that makes no sense but for someone reason was once a fad because people mistakenly thought it would sell records.

Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 06:38 (twenty years ago)

all swiss yodelling is good (partic recorded 1960s or earlier)
some but very little ceremonial spiritual music transubstantiates its spook from its own culture through to our jaded viewers window notably papua new guinean flute music amongst other stuff cannot raddle brain for right now.
sumatran tanjidor music is good - like romantic ballads in foreign scales with gongs, metallphones, and a wheeling new orleans funeral brass band - as per usual it sounds normal the tenth time you listen to it. "weird music" is a false grail - the hunt is fun - but what is once weird will inevitably with increased exposure become normal, even comforting. what is sometimes the very least weird thing is the fully realised art project of an experimental musician / band - frinstance elaine radigue's drones, farmers manual's abstract techno, upsilon acrux's boggling prog, reynols' shamanistic thud rock, ruins invented language speed prog-pop, j. bepler's cremaster soundtracks, j.zorn's jumpcut naked city / spillane stuff - all finely crafted to be unsettling / transportative / unguessable. I used to think that only damaged retard -metal was the true realm of the strange (see: furze; benighted leams; necrofrost; lugubrum etc) but now art school poseurs and ironic tongueincheekers are geting in on the act too if the first lot weren't in the first place.
oh - one thing that may be truly strange is paul leary of the butthole surfers "history of dogs" solo album- he did it at the very end of that band's "strong" period and it is such bad grateful dead / hair metal lost boys same guitar solo every song that it does become truly wrong and strange unlike the butthole surfers finest which in general just tends to be finely crafted psychedelic pop up until 1991 when it all went to shit.
whale song? emperor penguins?

bob snoom (vestibule), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:51 (twenty years ago)

i just dwlded th mmm concert from a few yrs back w roo leed and mike rathke and a whole bunch of string players//its really good

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:56 (twenty years ago)

needs more Primitive Radio Gods

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:58 (twenty years ago)

oh a friend of mine got a supermarket ambient cd called "the mighty rainforest" with bad keyboard ambient tracks over rainforest field recordings - the tunes were shocking in their pointlessness and either the tunes or the rainforest recordings were put through entirely unnatural reverbs (rainforest in a tiny glass walled room type reverb etc) that was odd

bob snoom (vestibule), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Edward, that Jim Jones record is actually a "reissue" of a Vagina Dentata Organ picture disc...

-- sleeve (sleev...), March 28th, 2006 12:00 AM.

Indeed...
http://www.fopi.net/images/covers/odds/jimjones.jpg

I used to have a t-shirt with the disk art on it back in the 80s. Boy, was I crazy.

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Both the disk and the t-shirt were individually numbered for each person who died at Jonestown - 913.

The Jonestown tape is actually up at archive.org:
http://www.archive.org/details/ptc1978-11-18.flac16

Why are there no jokes about the Jonestown tragedy?
Because the punch line's too long.

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

oooh, good one!

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)


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