original acid house VS. acid house classicism

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or acid house revivalism, whatever you wanna call it. maybe cos i dont know enough of it, or am too young, i prefer analord and railway raver and some dmx krew stuff to the original stuff. anyone else feel this way?

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:59 (twenty years ago)

the old stuff has better lyrics, see Phuture: Cocaine

Yawn (Wintermute), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:03 (twenty years ago)

I can't take either in large doses, but I think "Once Again Back" by Hardfloor and "Higher State of Consciousness (Tweekin' Acid Funk)" by Josh Wink are better than any of the original tunes, except for "Machines" by Laurent X.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:07 (twenty years ago)

the old stuff has better lyrics, see Phuture: Cocaine

'Your Only Friend'!

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:11 (twenty years ago)

I hear listening to that nu-Acid House muzak has been known to turn ravers in their mid 20s into balding, 40 year old coffee breath stanking, art teacher looking weirdos in shirts which resemble their grandparents old curtains from the 70s

http://home.uchicago.edu/~jniimi/keithjessmatos.JPG

So i'd have to pick the original stuff, even if was it is all monotonous doof-doof-doof nonsense for drugged up losers made by gay Chicago residents.

Tron Assantino, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:12 (twenty years ago)

what the fuck, dude?

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:14 (twenty years ago)

isnt the problem with nu-acid analord/ceephax etc that its not er.. house? its acid, but all "mental" breaks and stuff. i mean, a problem if its being directly compared to acid house like this. i dont see the two things as very related at all, whatever the aspirations of those involved

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:14 (twenty years ago)

STAY OFF THAT X, KIDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tron Assantino, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)

But there is nu-acid house that's house, like Hardfloor, right?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:16 (twenty years ago)

well the funny thing about analord is that while everyone says its a retro project or that its a step back, etc, it doesnt *sound* like either afxs old stuff, nor the original 80s techno and house either. it just uses the same sounds and stuff. but afx has moved on so much as an instrumentalist, that the melodies and stuff are unlike anything hes done before (except drugks and things like that) and unlike the 80s techno and house too. i cant help thinking maybe ppl missed that part of it.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I saw Ceephax the other week and it was just like squat party techno or something, which I was fine with, but pretty far removed from Chicago house or whatever. He was a complete prick as well, but that's neither here nor there

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:00 (twenty years ago)

The analord shit is a complete stranger to quality control. So much guff on those EPs. Also it is pretty retro, it just seems to me like Aphex tunes sans skittery beats on acid(!). I prefer old acid-house really.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

ok, can anyone recommend stuff i should download to really get to grips with original acid house? or just acid type material in general?

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/image/R-83557-001.jpg

http://www.discogs.com/image/R-150-466015-1128536574.jpeg

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:12 (twenty years ago)

http://www.logisticrecords.com/media/rec/log45cd.gif

Yawn (Wintermute), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:13 (twenty years ago)

shit discogs hates me now

not really acid house maybe? i dunno

predictably worthy, probably slated on ILX

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:15 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty ign'ant on the whole thing (far, far too young). But for O.G. shit, as it were: Phuture (as mentioned above) "Acid tracks" being kinda seminal apparently, Spanky, Maurice's "This is acid", doesn't have squelchy 303 which confuses me but still, it's good and DJ Pierre. Neo-acid that I've enjoyed is Luke Vibert (more his live sets than his records to be honest), that B side by Nathan Fake and Les visiteurs - snoop's acid drop.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)

I prefer the originals and probably always will. Acid house is one of those genres where nothing seems to sound better than the stuff I grew up with. I'm not sure why this is the case, but it's probably because I was never a big acid house fan to begin with.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)

None of the revivalist stuff sounds as grimy and nasty as the originals. The reason the first wave is so great is because it sounds like it was knocked out in 5 minutes by two guys in a basement to be played to a room of people too fucked to know the difference. Which it was. Virtually all the revivals are too polished by half.

I think a good place to start is to get these tunes:

Professor of Acid - "Drug store"
Phuture - "We are phuture"
6 Brown Brothers - "Battery Acid"
Dr Derelict - "That shit's wild"
Fast Eddie - "Acid Thunder"
Phuture - "Slam"

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

don't forget edinburgh knob-twiddling legend ege bam yasi!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Oh aye, does he not claim to have made the first acid record?

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

haha maybe he does, i've never heard that.

also don't forget that in order to be REAL acid house, it must have a horrible record sleeve (in fact, ANY record with horrible "3D" psychedelic graphics is automatically acid house!)

http://www.kompaktkiste.de/cd/_abc/_d/do420.jpg

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

which is why acid scout is not actually acid house, despite it being totally great:

http://www.kompaktkiste.de/cd/_label/disko_b/db27a.jpg

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

I just searched and found a website about Ege, it says that he was "playing McAcid House before anyone knew what it was called" which I think my mind has morphed into "claiming he made the first acid record". I don't think I've ever actually heard any of his music mind you.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Samples on this site: http://www.egebamyasi.com/disceggraphy.html

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

"disceggraphy" ho ho. he used to release records with big pictures of eggs on them. and he himself had shaved his head so that he even resembled an egg.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

i agree w/ tuomas. the best acid house is post-chicago/post-88 and before the revival. things like laurent garnier's "acid eiffel" and hardfloor and so on.

by the way, the nastiest chicago acid track ever isn't by phuture or pierre or anything like that ... it's by PARRIS MITCHELL + DJ FUNK and it's called "the underground".

http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ZBARV8HYT21A0FJ3EGJSMBYNN

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

re: the pic:

hott

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

http://www.borft.com/details.php?ProdID=109

Russell (Russell), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

I love Funk. Booty Clap = Classic.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

vahid did you rip this from a mix? what kind of acid epic is only 3:31 long?

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

I prefer the old stuff of course esp in this handy package:

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00000ICYA.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I hear listening to that nu-Acid House muzak has been known to turn ravers in their mid 20s into balding, 40 year old coffee breath stanking, art teacher looking weirdos

LOL. How true.

Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

X-Mix!! I used to have the Carl Cox one.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

That Hardfloor X-Mix is awesome and essential.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Of the nu-acid house (by which I mean the more straightforwardly revivalist european house, not Aphex Twin) I tend to prefer the stuff that doesn't sound like it's trying to copy the original stuff - so something like Alex Kid's "Don't Hide It", which doesn't even try to be raw and dirty, but is instead clean, songful, kinda pretty really.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 20:50 (twenty years ago)

that Analord stuff is not acid house. its nothign like acid house. Is just IDM made with all old equipment rather thana computer.

Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i agree with tim. one of my favorite nu-acid tracks of the past few years is nathan fake - 'undoing the laces'! it sounds weird and fucked and insane, but it has a sort of shiny brightness to it, a feeling of newness to it -- you can tell it's not twenty years old.

there's this newish acid 12" on soul jazz (!) by a dude who calls himself capracara, called 'opal rush'. i must have spent 15 minutes googling to try to figure out if it was old or new, because it sounds sort of raw and dirty and old--it has this strange patina of age to it. it's good but i like stuff like 'undoing the laces' better.

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 30 March 2006 00:06 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

either one is great

buzza, Saturday, 13 September 2008 08:09 (seventeen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fi/thumb/0/0c/The_Best_of_Hardfloor.png/252px-The_Best_of_Hardfloor.png

This is pretty essential for any nu-Acid House fan, it's one disc of original Hardfloor tunes and one disc of remixes they've done ("Yeke Yeke", "Our Darkness, "Blue Monday", etc.), and both are awesome.

Hardfloor's Da Damn Phreak Noize Phunk side project is also worth checking out, it's a marriage of funk-sampling breaks and acid house, which surprisingly enough sounds quite good.

Tuomas, Saturday, 13 September 2008 08:38 (seventeen years ago)

Hmm, let me try that pic again:

http://www.spiralfrog.com/sfimages/covers/pop/cov200/dre500/e575/e57552f65ma.jpg

Tuomas, Saturday, 13 September 2008 08:39 (seventeen years ago)

Another great 90s nu-acid house producer is Emmanuel Top, as mentioned upthread. His tracks ("Turkish Bazar", "Acid Phase", "Spherique", etc.) are pretty much as minimal and psychedelic as the original acid house tunes, but he's also a master of getting the maximum effect out of minimal building blocks.

Tuomas, Saturday, 13 September 2008 09:12 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 October 2008 10:43 (seventeen years ago)

I bought this recently, it's a really good acid house primer as well as including a few more obscure tracks, and is nicely mixed:

http://www.discogs.com/release/1415843

1-01 Beat Club, The Security
1-02 Rude Boy Farley Keith, The Give Your Self To Me
1-03 Willie Wonka It's Now Or Never
1-04 Cultural Vibe Ma Foom Bey
1-05 Phuture Acid Trax
1-06 Fast Eddie* Acid Thunder
1-07 Phuture We Are Phuture
1-08 Neil Howard* To Be Or Not To Be
1-09 On The House Ride The Rhythm
1-10 Rhythim Is Rhythim The Dance
1-11 Mickey Oliver In-Ten-Si-T
1-12 Lime (2) On The Grid
1-13 Unique 3 The Theme (Original 8 Track Mix)
1-14 Renegade Soundwave The Phantom
1-15 Deee Lite* Ft. Osca Child Wild Times (Mayday Mix)
1-16 R Tyme* R-Theme (Mayday Mix)
1-17 Pierre's Pfantasy Club Got The Bug
1-18 Frankie Knuckles Ft. Jamie Principle Baby Wants To Ride
1-19 Laurent X Machines
1-20 Virgo* In A Vision
1-21 Mr Fingers* Can You Feel It

Neil S, Friday, 17 October 2008 10:49 (seventeen years ago)

I say we Youtube the show right here.

Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 October 2008 10:51 (seventeen years ago)

Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 October 2008 10:52 (seventeen years ago)

Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 October 2008 10:53 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah seconding that (re: Art of Acid), I don't think I even disliked any of the remixes which is saying something considering Boys Noize and the Plump DJs are on there.

Saw Syntheme do a pretty rocking live acid set a few weeks back, it was maybe a bit fierce to qualify as classicism but whatever

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Friday, 17 October 2008 10:53 (seventeen years ago)

Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 October 2008 10:54 (seventeen years ago)

Last video was broken:

Neil S, Friday, 17 October 2008 10:56 (seventeen years ago)

Also, have only listened to a couple of those remixes, will give them a proper go if they're good!

Neil S, Friday, 17 October 2008 10:56 (seventeen years ago)

Neil S, Friday, 17 October 2008 10:57 (seventeen years ago)

Bah!

Neil S, Friday, 17 October 2008 10:57 (seventeen years ago)

Weird, I'm playing it now. Anyhoo, yay Phuture. This needs to be here.

Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 October 2008 10:58 (seventeen years ago)

Yes, strange. Anyway, time for Acid Thunder!

Neil S, Friday, 17 October 2008 11:00 (seventeen years ago)

I think that might be my all-time favourite acid house track.

Neil S, Friday, 17 October 2008 11:01 (seventeen years ago)

This next track is an odd one. The tracklisting is Neil Howard's "To be or not to be", but I know it from this mix as Neal Howard's "The Gathering". Youtube agrees with the latter, FWIW. Anyway, it's a really good track:

Neil S, Friday, 17 October 2008 12:04 (seventeen years ago)

Neil S, Friday, 17 October 2008 14:15 (seventeen years ago)

I am enjoying this at the moment.

http://www.mezerik.com/output/Placid/An_Acid_Megamix.mp3

http://www.acid-house.net/medley.jpg

I want to edit my profile. (Display Name), Friday, 17 October 2008 18:04 (seventeen years ago)

original acid house VS. acid house classicism

ahahahahhahaaa

and what, Friday, 17 October 2008 18:05 (seventeen years ago)

Also, if anyone is interested in old grimy chicago tracks I have something they might be interested in. shoot me an email.

I want to edit my profile. (Display Name), Friday, 17 October 2008 18:12 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

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Sundar, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 02:53 (sixteen years ago)

so much luv for the hindustani ppl

i'm 84 cars seesawing with demi moore (m bison), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 02:55 (sixteen years ago)

There's more discussion on that album (and links to Geeta's informative blog posts analyzing it) in this thread:

Techno/House Bobbins of the past

Tuomas, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 13:52 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQO1mVgkmpg

X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 12:20 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lmgI2Xf2Qk&feature=related

X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 12:21 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZBV-5dj2VY

UR = mid-school ?

X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 12:22 (sixteen years ago)

IMO these three are still the top 3 acid house tunes of all time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekn7cjLaGOs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga9p4YE3oS0&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdPUc4TYQU

So I guess classicism wins 2-1.

Tuomas, Thursday, 8 April 2010 13:51 (sixteen years ago)

I actually bought (and still own) that frog-licking "Trancemaster" comp, that's where I first heard the "Higher State of Consciousness". Back in 1995 me and my friends used to play it all the time, one friend called it "the orgasm tune", because it orgasms in the end. It was pretty weird to see a remix of the tune getting a lot of airplay on MTV a year or so later (though the remix wasn't as good as the "Tweekin' Acid Funk" version, which I think is the best). IIRC there was also a crappy vocal remix of the tune, or did I imagine that?

Tuomas, Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:00 (sixteen years ago)

here's the one Ege Bam Yasi track I've heard, was pretty into back in the day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5MCuC6jeI4

Also check this for a 303 workout; was out around the same time as Higher States.... and used to mock people [ not anymore, Tuomas ;) ] who rated Josh Wink, when this is delivers a great build up and then total carnage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syg2jvMzf6M

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:09 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApVwV6eIZk0

System 7 - Alpha Wave ( Plastikman Acid House Mix )

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:15 (sixteen years ago)

That josh wink track is such wank

X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:22 (sixteen years ago)

What do you mean by that?

Tuomas, Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:27 (sixteen years ago)

"Higher State of Consciousness" its cheesy, the breakbeat, the drum roll he threw every dance cliche into one track

X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:43 (sixteen years ago)

Hate to say it, but Higher State of Consciousness does sound like 100% pure wank to me, even down to the title of it. Aceperience doesn't do much for me either.

●●●●●●●● (EDB), Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:46 (sixteen years ago)

Er, I think acid house as a whole is full of cheesy stuff: "I Gotta Big Dick", "This Is Acid", etc. But who cares if it's cheesy? This is dance music, not some serious armchair stuff, sometimes the cheesiness just makes it better. And I don't think the breakbeat was that big a cliche back in 1995 - certainly there were few artists (Hardfloor maybe?) before Wink who'd combined it with the classic acid sound. That shit sounded fresh!

Tuomas, Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:51 (sixteen years ago)

If you were into techno in 1995 trust me it was prob one of the most hated tracks of that year, strictly for the mixmag/ibiza crew, i mean come on this was around the time basic channel came out

X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:55 (sixteen years ago)

If you discard "Higher State Consciousness" as "cheesy" or "wank", there are dozens of other acid classics you could discard on the same basis. Acid house is a pretty wanky genre!

(x-post)

Tuomas, Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:56 (sixteen years ago)

If you were into techno in 1995 trust me it was prob one of the most hated tracks of that year, strictly for the mixmag/ibiza crew, i mean come on this was around the time basic channel came out.

It certainly wasn't hated among the techno fans I was hanging with, but maybe we weren't serious enough? We just loved to dance to it. And how many people were really listening to Basic Channel back in 1995?

Anyway, I don't think the tune is any better or worse today based on if some segment of techno listeners hated it 15 years ago.

Tuomas, Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:59 (sixteen years ago)

And how many people were really listening to Basic Channel back in 1995?

v good for insomnia

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 8 April 2010 15:03 (sixteen years ago)

Acid house is a pretty wanky genre!

acid dream wank girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbVIGZHdtco

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 8 April 2010 15:18 (sixteen years ago)

And how many people were really listening to Basic Channel back in 1995

Plenty, i remember seeing them live with jeff mills around 95-96 @ lost everyone thought they were from detroit back then tho

X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 15:29 (sixteen years ago)

Also talking about hate and techno http://www.discogs.com/Carl-Craig-Landcruising/release/18835 alot of 'techno' fans got pissed at this cos a) it had a guitar on it b) it was on warner brother

O and i forgot the time scretched vocal on HSC :|

xpost

X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 15:52 (sixteen years ago)

Thanks to the "epic" Donato Dozzy I got into Emmanual Top last year (I see Tuomas mentions him up there). The absolute master of the long acid build.

This is my favourite track of his:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWsc5s_YexA

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 8 April 2010 15:56 (sixteen years ago)

Anyway lets get back to the acid, surprised this aint been posed yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBPYORKOOhg

X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:39 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiDgIMnDtP4&feature=related

X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:43 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJZCmt38liQ

X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:45 (sixteen years ago)

area man called x-101 dislikes crossover record

I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:49 (sixteen years ago)

Where's Your Child my favourite acid track evah!

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:58 (sixteen years ago)

alot of 'techno' fans got pissed at this cos a) it had a guitar on it b) it was on warner brother

don't forget c) because they're tools

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:05 (sixteen years ago)

Thanks to the "epic" Donato Dozzy I got into Emmanual Top last year (I see Tuomas mentions him up there). The absolute master of the long acid build.

I started a thread on Emmanuel Top a few weeks ago, he's definitely my favourite new school acid house producer, alongside Hardfloor:

Emmanuel Top

Tuomas, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:39 (sixteen years ago)

With all the Hawtin fanboy love around here, I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet:
http://www.discogs.com/Jack-Master-Basement-Trax-Vol-1/release/35578

You might also want to look into this:
http://www.discogs.com/label/7777

the muddy waters of donk (Display Name), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:48 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/TOM-Project-Renaissance/master/5889
http://www.discogs.com/Leron-Carson-Red-Lightbulb-Theory-87-88/release/1947914

the muddy waters of donk (Display Name), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:51 (sixteen years ago)

Hmm, I guess I forgot Air Liquide combined breaks (with a very obvious Cypress Hill sample) and 303 a year before Wink, but you'd have to stretch the definition a bit to call this "acid house":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH8v2NpgX_Y

Tuomas, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:57 (sixteen years ago)

Here are a couple of other Chicago related goodies:

http://www.discogs.com/Kevin-Starke-151/release/2219725
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tevo+Howard

the muddy waters of donk (Display Name), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:00 (sixteen years ago)

another good one:

Ecstasy Club: Jesus Loves The Acid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhSB_6EQ0DM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-aAxUglxdQ

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 9 April 2010 10:29 (sixteen years ago)


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