i'm trying to like power, corruption and lies. tell me why you like it. thankyou

"...so why don't you piss off?"

sometimes in order to give a record it's fair due, you need discerning music listeners to give it the thumbs up and the all clear. hence this thread. cheers so far

Also, "Age of Consent" is fucking awesome.

Like "Kwi" for example. I forget which...

xpost I think Blue Monday was on it, as well as the b-side.

ok, i'm gonna try and digest the whole record (p,c, and l) before bed. i'm waiting to have one of those epiphanies with this.

"Everybody makes mistakes...even me..."

that sounds like a really good analysis, both scotts

On the American CD, yes.

That's the version I've got as well. I like "5-8-6" best but being a onetime CIF I like the Peel Session version even more.

Side 1

1. Age Of Consent
2. We All Stand
3. The Village
4. 5-6-8
5. Blue Monday

Side 2

1. Kwi
2. Ultraviolence
3. Only The Lonely
4. Leave Me Alone
5. The Beach

Etc.

The Taras Schevenko gig? Fie on you. That show is so great that it sent me back to Movement to see if I missed anything (sadly, I didn't).

I'll be a sadder geek and point out that (I think) YSF was originally TK1, as in "that Kraftwerk one." But that's six of one, half a dozen of the other.

The music geek in me wants to answer this question:

how these songs came from the same band that made "Movement."

with this:

http://www.physicsenterprises.andrews.edu/~clark/emusic/voyetra/images/voyetra8.jpg
http://www.physicsenterprises.andrews.edu/~clark/emusic/voyetra/v8.html

do kids like this feel this way? will some 15-year old buy M.I.A.'s next album, and then go back and, discovering "arular," consider it some kind of benjaminian angel of history?

(oddly, in much the same way, i still can't help but think of "brotherhood" as "that new new order album," since that's how i thought of it when it came out -- the first of their records i knew about in advance of its release. i was now IN THE KNOW and boy, did i cherish that status.)

try again, please!

C'mon, Phil, of course they will. That's a crazy question.

when low-life came out i bought the casette copy that came in the swank box. such a luxurious setting for a tape.

fuck yeah, i had the deluxe box for "closer" (bought much later, obv).... wish i knew what happened to that thing.

Hence the New Order mystery. The question is not with what did they make those songs, but how? Kind of in the VU sense: who is playing what? How much was written in advance or just worked on in the studio? Did they spend hours crafting each bit, or kind of leave it as is? Did some songs take months to write/complete? Days? Hours? Minutes?

like i said, i bought power, corruption, & lies and closer on the same day. thoroughly confusing. i already had and loved unknown pleasures by then, but it was still a bizarre juxtaposition. i had never heard new order till i bought that record. i might have bought blue monday that day too, but i can't remember. if not, i got it soon after. and then when confusion came out...! luckily, i loved both death AND disco.

Discovery as such will take different forms, like music consumption does. It might not be a months-waiting process anymore (and frankly I'm all fine with that), but you'll still get people hearing about strange groups they're unfamiliar with, mentions of acts that are sufficiently old/obscure enough not to have some sort of entrenched web presence, etc. Revelations will still happen as they do, by intent, by chance, by accident.

otm

that is a good question. I know that i don't listen as deeply as i used to--you know, really get the integral feel of the album. the quick access has corrupted my habits, and i have to get back. also (and this point is old hat), there is so much to be said for the artifact of the music..the sleeve, the liner notes: it all created a hollistic presence with each album. I personally need to get back to that.

I played Low Life (vinyl!) for the first time in years the other night and was once again struck by the awesomeness of it all, especially "Sub Culture" -- did this ever get released as a 12" ?

Better that the entire output of the vast majority of everybody else ever.

OUT.

Absolutely! I had the same reaction when jumping on the wagon with Brotherhood. It seemed tantalizingly halfbaked compared to, um, Dire Straits, or whatever my classmates approved of in 1986.

1. Kwi
2. Ultraviolence
3. Only The Lonely
4. Leave Me Alone
5. The Beach

New Order still call Your Silent Face 'KW1' (Zappi was right upthread KW1 = Kraftwerk one) - on setlists they still write KW1.

[As an aside, they did 'These Days' earlier this week at Bournemouth!]

It's my second favourite NO album, after Movement. The new technology, sequencers and the like, still sounds *fresh* and experimental and there's a spare simplicity about the whole album that they lost soon after. Great as TPK and the rest of the 85-87 material is - sometimes chucking in the everything but kitchen sink didn't *quite* work for the best. Thieves Like Us and Lonesome Tonight fit well with the spirit of PCL - the former a slow building synth epic and the latter mirroring the carefulness of Leave Me Alone, but at a slower pace. Both would fit well on the LP - Blue Monday and The Beach just....don't. They're a separate, perfect artefact.

Did anybody take the time to work out the messages via the colour chart?

What was that?

*raises hand sheepishly*

exactly.

It came as a surprise to hear the record as someone who had come to NO via two different routes, their pop hit singles and Joy Division, to hear this band that was neither maximalist synthpop nor gloomy proto-goth punk (reductionist, I know), but a point somewhere in between that managed to meld the two to really startling effect.

Ecstasy was a different album.

"you get these words wrong...i just smile."

it's a microcosmic insight into the band entire. ;)

quite seriously, though, i think this album is rather uneven but what i enjoy, i enjoy greatly.

KW1 is better live though. :)

Eventually I'm glad I got both.

And this is the first album I ever bought that didn't only NOT have the band's photo on it, but didn't even have their name or album title on the cover either. It was just this stilllife painting with a bunch of weird symbols on the side. I would have no idea what New Order looked like until Low-Life came out, which gave it away.

I have never heard the CD version.

I like it for all the above reasons, and also for the strumalicious guitar solo in "Age Of Consent".

i haven't heard it in a very long time because i played it like crazy when i was [insert phil's story here].

aw man "Ecstasy" totally became my fan fave on this album. it feels so dreamy and woozy but still kinda sharp and it's great.

ah but it was! sort of! OK, not really, but when I went record shopping at Vince Aletti's house I picked up an orange New Order EP that came out just before Regret I think that featured Age of Consent along w/ Bizarre Love Triangle, Blue Monday, Perfect Kiss and one or two more. A tidy DJ tool.

btw, off-topic and all but...live electronic music at Dazzle Ships this wed:
http://www.tropicalcomputersystem.com/

On topic: P, C & L was the first commercial "clear" cassette I ever bought. For those of you not of the Pleistocene Era: cassettes used to be solid colors or white. I remember thinking the transparent casing was part of the package design!

*ducks*

especially as it bore no relation to the single version.

Many years later, I discovered a 7" single version was released. Got one.

Really speaking my language here, Philip. I'm not sure it's a topic I've heard discussed before but I too recall buying PCL (along with Movement) well after the fact, sometime in early '85. I knew Blue Monday first, YSF, and Temptation, but that's all I knew when I got these records and it was really pretty confusing, even difficult at first to appreciate all the twists and turns of the terrain, especially Movement. I had that same feeling you describe of looking deeply into the past of this group, really not understanding how they got from point A to Z in so short a time. And as time has gone by, I too share your regret that I just didn't find out about this '80-'83 stuff until 1985. It boggles my mind that I was eating up all the crap in the Top 40 circa '80-'83 when all I wanted or needed was someone to come along and let me know there was something else out there.

This is fantastic. Never heard it before today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4cUAVTPz8Y

https://youtu.be/zx0ZoDYYI_o

The 1982 version of Blue Monday is also immense

The extras CD on this boxset is great. Love all the instrumental work-in-progress versions of the songs. Honestly kind of prefer them that way.

And it's on spotify