BEST prolific period (68-74) ALBUM OF VAN MORRISON

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interested to see if AW or MD takes it, im between AW and VF

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Astral Weeks / 68 23
Moondance / 70 8
Saint Dominic's Preview / 72 4
It's Too Late to Stop Now (Live Album) / 74 4
Veedon Fleece / 743
Tupelo Honey / 71 2
His Band and Street Choir / 70 0
Hard Nose the Highway / 73 0


davedestroybox, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

IPSDP

That's Van code for "I prefer St. Dominic's Preview"

kornrulez6969, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

SDP is the neon bible of Van for me, kinda self indulgent but overall a blast to listen to, i voted SDP too

davedestroybox, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

The jazznerd in me insists on Moondance.

Oilyrags, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

since AW will probably walk this, I went for sentimental favorite His Band and Street Choir. If comps were allowed, I'd probably do that post Them/ pre Astral Weeks Bang Masters (or whatever it's called) thing.

will, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

I only discovered Veedon Fleece recently and was swept away. Still, I'll give it to St Dominic's Preview for the Mellotron, "Listen to the Lion," and Van discovering America.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

You all are on crack. Nothing touches Astral Weeks and you know it.

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

This shit is TITE

will, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Re: SDP, I always imagined Van wearing a cuddly, fuzzy lion outfit in the studio as he purred and "raaaawwwrrreed" in "Listen to the Lion."

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

Astral Weeks destroys all other records ever.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

MGGOTLAIKOO


That's Van lingo for Madam George Goes On Too Long And Is Kind Of Overwrought.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 11 May 2007 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

I voted for the live album, it's too late to stop now cause it really sums up this period and has always been my favorite example of the live double-lp, a popular 70s phenom. unlike many of these concert momentos Van's was not overdubbed or edited at least not excessively. great song selection w/vintage R&B covers and the intensity just builds & builds.

m coleman, Saturday, 12 May 2007 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. The version of Cyprus Avenue on It's Too Late... is particularly great.

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 12 May 2007 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

aprox 7:36 into madam george, when you think its about to end, or your getting tired, van just starts yelling and doing that van thing and the strings begin to build up with the melody, then the drums and the horns, it sounds like it happened on accident (which is the case with most of astral weeks, all session players who never even talked to van during recording) to me thats one of the best moments in rock.

ISDUWSSSIOAW

van lingo; i still dont understand why slim slow slider is on astral weeks

davedestroybox, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

will, that clip is well tite

whatever, Saturday, 12 May 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

but astral weeks rules this poll

whatever, Saturday, 12 May 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

davedestroybox, there's a story about slim slow slider i came across a long time ago. something about van saying that astral weeks was originally conceived as a kind of opera (or musical narrative). my guess is that he didn't want to lose what that song offered but wasn't so sure where to place it. anyway it's a great ending to the album, loose and not as intense as some of the other tracks, but definitely of their type. in a thread where abbey road was being discussed, marcello ref'd re: abbey road that the two sides of the record were originally going to be switched and that the album would end with the shut-off of "I want you". seems to me interesting how that album would have been received if the sides were switched.

astral weeks wouldn't suffer too badly if it opened with 'the way young lovers do' (for me the song that fits least with the album's aesthetic) and ended with 'cypress avenue'.

/ramble

whatever, Saturday, 12 May 2007 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

In descending order:

Astral Weeks
Saint Dominic's Preview
It's Too Late to Stop Now (Live Album)
Moondance
Veedon Fleece
His Band and Street Choir
Tupelo Honey
Hard Nose the Highway

AW just *barely* beats out SDP for me. I love the covers on ITLTSN, but could do without the sub-studio versions of "Listen to the Lion" and "Domino." Moondance is almost perfect, but for me suffers from overexposure. VF is his most overlooked--the entire first side is fantastic--but HBaSC pretty much matches it for quality whilst remaining completely different and far more accessible to people who don't dig Van's flights of poetry. HNtH is a major misfire, with the exception of "Bein' Green" and the title track--the studio versions of "Warm Love" and "Wild Children" are not nearly as good as the live ones on ITLTSN.

I used to be a Van obsessive, and have in fact been getting back into him lately after a several years on hiatus, but I'm much less of a fanboy than I used to be.

J, Saturday, 12 May 2007 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Voted "Moondance" because of the title track.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

On the assumption that Astral Weeks will get plenty of votes I am going for Veedon Fleece for "Come Here My Love" and other such metaphysical delights.

A shame that the CDs of most of these have vanished from circulation recently - Bowie-style change of ownership of the masters?

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

Conveniently, my partner and I reached a collective position on this only a couple of weeks ago. Veedon Fleece it is, then.

mike t-diva, Monday, 14 May 2007 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

I went with SDP despite it probably being the most uneven of the list. The title track fucking owns, though. I should have gone with ITLTSN, alas.

Matos W.K., Monday, 14 May 2007 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

astral weeks, makes sense

davedestroybox, Friday, 18 May 2007 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

Astral Weeks destroys all other records ever.

-- dan selzer, Friday, May 11, 2007 9:50 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Link

deej, Friday, 18 May 2007 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

weird, my vote for HBASC didn't show up. maybe I ticked something else?

will, Saturday, 19 May 2007 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

Saint Dominic's Preview is the POI-fect Saturday afternoon album. Fact.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 August 2010 21:31 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

hard nose the highway deserved at least 1 vote surely

just sayin, Saturday, 25 September 2010 13:56 (fifteen years ago)

...and It Stoned Me is a strong contender to get my vote for the best album openers of 1970 poll I will get around to doing sooner or later.

demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 26 September 2010 17:08 (fifteen years ago)

five years pass...

Is there any news from anywhere other than Record collector about the possibility of physical releases of the material recently released as streaming/download which includes several of the titles mentioned here?
Record Collector which has just appeared on the shelves of shops locally has a news item talking about remastered Legacy expanded editions of all 33 of the titles. Since the streaming/download versions of the material are already released i would assume this must be regarding a new format. Certainly sounds more like it was from the news piece which I unfortunately can't link to.

Stevolende, Saturday, 10 October 2015 10:08 (ten years ago)

Warners is releasing CDs for Astral Weeks and Street Choir on Oct 30.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/van-morrison-preps-expanded-reissues-of-astral-weeks-his-band-20150827

that's not my post, Saturday, 10 October 2015 20:17 (ten years ago)

MGGOTLAIKOO

That's Van lingo for Madam George Goes On Too Long And Is Kind Of Overwrought.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, May 11, 2007 6:48 PM (8 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yup. AW is way overrated.

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Saturday, 10 October 2015 20:56 (ten years ago)

nah

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Saturday, 10 October 2015 20:57 (ten years ago)

The Record Collector piece made it look like the other 33 lps that were released in digital versions over the summer had some form of physical version coming out. Not seen that confirmed anywhere which is why I was asking. I thought somebody else here might have heard something.
I think I may have been the first person on here to say that the Astral Weeks thing was happening. Really looking forward to at least that. But will pick up at least a couple fo the Legacy ones if there are cds appearing.

Stevolende, Saturday, 10 October 2015 21:27 (ten years ago)

seven months pass...

Even though I totally fall in line and agree that it's the "worst" of this run, I find myself returning to Hard Nose the Highway more often these days. 'Warm Love' is one of his best singles of the period, 'Snow in San Anselmo' is an epic opener and 'Autumn Song' is one of his best long jams.

Austin, Friday, 13 May 2016 21:27 (ten years ago)

I just saw today that there is a new Uncut special out on him. Just saw it for the first time today so assume it is pretty freshly out.
Should give some idea of what the lps are like. Though it seems to relegate It's Too Late To Stop Now to a paragraph or 2 in a couple of page long thing on the live lps collectively. Would think an lp that good would get its own entry really.

Roll on the release fo the individual lps on cd again. Hope that is happening before the medium stops being usable

Stevolende, Friday, 13 May 2016 21:31 (ten years ago)

four years pass...

I've been doing a deep dive into Van's catalog. I love every album from this era except Hard Nose and even that should've been a great album. "Warm Love" is the only cut I really like off it, but he recorded a ridiculous amount of music for that album (believing incorrectly that Warner Bros. would be willing to issue a double LP). Going through the outtakes that made it on to The Philosopher's Stone, "Wonderful Remark," "Madame Joy," "Contemplation Rose," "Not Supposed To Break Down," "There There Child," "Drumshanbo Hustle" and "Try for Sleep" on top of "Warm Love" would have made a rock solid LP, and I'll even throw in a great cover of Fleetwood Mac/Christine McVie's "Spare Me a Little" (which has never been officially released). Except for "Wonderful Remark," none of those outtakes were ever used or re-recorded for a proper album.

It's also bizarre that Van didn't release a single record between October 1974 and April 1977, because he was still recording a lot of music. It sounds like he very nearly released an LP called Mechanical Bliss, but I'm kind of glad he didn't because it's pretty disappointing, from the choice of material to the album title and crappy cover (which Steely Dan later recycled for The Royal Scam - even Donald Fagen called it the ugliest cover of the decade). Once again, fishing through The Philosopher's Stone and a few outtakes that nearly made it into the same collection, he had enough material for a great album by the end of 1975: "The Street Only Knew Your Name," "Naked in the Jungle," "When I Deliver," "Foggy Mountain Top," "Joyous Sound," "Flamingos Fly," "John Henry" (a funked up arrangement of the folk standard) and "I Have Finally Come To Realise" all would have done it. Three of those were eventually re-recorded for two of his weaker albums (A Period of Transition, Inarticulate Speech of the Heart) and in each case, the older recordings sound much better to me. ("Flamingos Fly" is a close call - it works very well in both arrangements, and they couldn't be more different.)

So two great lost albums IMHO. I wish Morrison found a better way to present them as such because that outtakes compilation went out-of-print pretty fast and until it was made available to streaming services, none of those recordings were issued anywhere else.

birdistheword, Sunday, 31 January 2021 06:47 (five years ago)

I think there were d/lds of a lot of that stuff released a couple of years ago. I thought there were cds due too. There is still no sign of them for the latter stuff for that era except ITLTSN which got expanded and a companion volume.
I really wanted remastered expanded versions of those studio lps. Missed getting SDP when that was released the previous time then got withdrawn shortly after. Did get VF which somebody proceeded to damage by leaving it lying around fafe up in a somewhat hostile environment. Might be able to get the surface layer cut off or however that method is done.think you got a machine that removed 1mm or something from very top which made scratches less audible. 1mm is probably too much. I definitely saw these tools for sale but never used one.

Stevolende, Sunday, 31 January 2021 07:47 (five years ago)

There WAS a comprehensive reissue campaign planned out for 2008 and I think 2009. They had it all scheduled and mapped out, and they got through like the first wave, which was a handful of titles. If you got any of those CD's, you may have gotten an insert that said what was coming and when. (Basically everything except a few albums that were still owned by Warner Bros.)

Then something happened and most of them never came out. I'm guessing Van got pissed off about something and blocked the rest of the campaign, which was pretty stupid because they deleted most if not all of his catalog prior to launching the campaign, so a lot of albums including some of his best ones have remained out-of-print.

Sony/Legacy kind of fixed things a bit, and that's what you've been seeing so far with the great Them set (the definitive Them collection to date), the ITLTSN set and the complete and authorized Bang set, all produced by veteran producer Andrew Sandoval. It's been slow, probably for good reason, but hopefully things will continue to come out.

birdistheword, Sunday, 31 January 2021 08:17 (five years ago)

I think that Verdon Fleece wad 2005 from what I remember doing while listening to it heavily. Though it is just possible that the cd that got damaged was an upgrade. I think it was the same one though.
What I was doing was definitely that year cos related events shifted to a nearby location after that point but what I was doing was site specific.

Stevolende, Sunday, 31 January 2021 08:26 (five years ago)


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