A while ago I was at local record store, and the guy behind the counter was playing some weird percussion record that sounded a bit like early Art Ensemble of Chicago. He asked everyone in the store if they could guess who was playing on the record, and people suggested bands like AEoC, but no one got it right. Finally the record store guy revealed that the record was made by circus elephants form Thailand. So, I was wondering, is there a lot of music at least partially played by non-humans? I.e. animals, non-programmed machines, natural elements, etc. There are of course a zillion record with bird or whale song, but I'm more interested in other examples. There's a metal band with a parrot as its vocalist, right? And I guess stuff like Aeolian harps count too.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:15 (eighteen years ago)
There's a metal band with a parrot as its vocalist, right?
What? Where can I hear them?!??!?!??
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:18 (eighteen years ago)
Best thread ever.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:18 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.myspace.com/beak666
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:20 (eighteen years ago)
Grindcore band with two pitbulls on vocals
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:20 (eighteen years ago)
It's possible these are just made up but I don't want to let the dream die just yet.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:21 (eighteen years ago)
There's that Pink Floyd with the dog on vocals... no, I don't mean Roger Waters
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:22 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, saw some of that documentary.
Saw the syd bits, the next couple albums seem interesting enough, but that dog was "OK, I have something else to do now, prob, right?" time.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:28 (eighteen years ago)
I knew they had problems replacing Syd but...
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:37 (eighteen years ago)
yeah, but seamus was right on the note for the "whoooooooo" bits of "Astronomy Domine"
― Mark G, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:41 (eighteen years ago)
I've just been informed the parrot metal band is called Hatebeak. I am listening to them right now. It is err... interesting.
― Trayce, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:42 (eighteen years ago)
(xp) Marvellous how he was able to reproduce Syd's guitar parts in such a short space of time, still none of the songs he submitted as singles were up to Syd's standards... better than Roger Waters' songs of course
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:43 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.shoutmouth.com/index.php/images/der/L3Zhci93d3cvc2l0ZXMvbWVkaWEuc2hvdXRtb3V0aC5jb20vaHRtbC9kZXJpdnMvNmQyNTliYjM4MzY4MjlhODIyYWM2NTIzYzA2YzliNjQtNDAzODQ4Yjc2NGNiY2JkZDVjMGNkZmIzNmM0NTljMDEuanBn.jpg
― Mark G, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:43 (eighteen years ago)
Isn't that a Judas Priest album in the background?
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:44 (eighteen years ago)
Trayce, the link I pasted upthread is for Hatebeak's Myspace page.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:46 (eighteen years ago)
Oops sorry T, didn't spot that.
― Trayce, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:49 (eighteen years ago)
That's no parrot
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 09:52 (eighteen years ago)
The guys from Satisfact had a side-project where his backing musicians were programmed robots... I am struggling to remember the name. It was pretty cool.
― Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:07 (eighteen years ago)
There's that guy who uses plants to make music, Michael Prime? Must away and google...
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:10 (eighteen years ago)
Alright, Hatebeak needs to become ILM's official band RIGHT NOW. Somebody lease write a desert island blurb on Beak of Putrefaction
― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:11 (eighteen years ago)
There's also this (a band called "Captured by Robots"), but that's not the band I was thinking of:
New York Times piece on CAPTURED BY ROBOTS
― Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:13 (eighteen years ago)
Waldo the parrot says, "All false metal beware."
Actually, I'm sure I read that something suggesting that Waldo was dead. RIP.
― gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:16 (eighteen years ago)
Finally figured it out!
They were called OCTANT, and it was Matt Steinke from Satisfact with a robot drummer. Their album, "shock-no-par," had a bunch of videos on it - it looked pretty cool.
― Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:16 (eighteen years ago)
http://psychevanhetfolk.homestead.com/files/elephant.jpg
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:17 (eighteen years ago)
http://psychevanhetfolk.homestead.com/files/elephonic_rhapsodies.jpg
Hatebeak actually did a split 7" with Caninus (the metal band fronted by two pitbulls)
― gnarly sceptre, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:18 (eighteen years ago)
Of course, I've just now realized I ignored part of the thread; these *are* all programmed machines :(
or are they?
― Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:18 (eighteen years ago)
http://psychevanhetfolk.homestead.com/files/animalmusic.jpg
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:18 (eighteen years ago)
There was a great ILM post about albums featuring instruments played by the wind. Aeolian harps, Alan Lamb and his telegraph cable recordings and some dude who put 50 guitars standing on some dune in southern Spain, great stuff.
― no-nonsense, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:21 (eighteen years ago)
Has anyone ever tried to teach chimpanzees to play musical instruments? If they can learn sign language, surely they can be taught to play the chords for "Blitzkrieg Bop"?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:29 (eighteen years ago)
There's that album with an Elephant with a beatle wig on. Can't find it, so far...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:31 (eighteen years ago)
Why do people always think Ramones songs have few chords? Wrong! (xp)
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:32 (eighteen years ago)
I suspect some non-humans have provided harmonies on 'Trout Mask Replica'
― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:33 (eighteen years ago)
Beefheart: "John Coltrane hasn't done anything because no man can play the scales like the armadillo."
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:34 (eighteen years ago)
You mean this one?
http://www.showandtellmusic.com/images/galleries/gallery%20a/whatsnext.jpg
I doubt those elephants actually play on the album though.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:34 (eighteen years ago)
(xxx-post)
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:35 (eighteen years ago)
This thread is amazing.
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:39 (eighteen years ago)
Do Gorillaz count?
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:40 (eighteen years ago)
That's no parrot -- Tom D
Oh c'mon Tom, no need to turn all so John Cleese on us !
― t**t, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:41 (eighteen years ago)
Anyhows, there was also that dog'rchestra that barked an albumful of mad Beatles covers at us... Wot were they called again?
― t**t, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:43 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, there's a bunch of those discs (like "Jinglecats") where somebody sampled a cat's meow and then plugged it into a Casio SK-1 to play Xmas Carols. They go from faintly amusing to make-you-want-to-claw-your-ears-off within about 8 seconds.
― Savannah Smiles, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:25 (eighteen years ago)
Chris Watson's field recordings are fascinating, somebody on here or more likely noize board dropped this track a couple of years ago which he made by mic-ing up the inside of a zebra carcass and then recording the vultures eating it.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:35 (eighteen years ago)
Should've warned those of you at work that that link is quite noisy.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:36 (eighteen years ago)
The Beatle Barkers.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:42 (eighteen years ago)
Q: "What do you call a dog with Wings?" A: "Linda McCartney"
... I once saw a guy from Moody Blues tell this joke as an example of how badly Linda McCartney was treated by the music business
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:44 (eighteen years ago)
... sorry, free-associating there
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:46 (eighteen years ago)
I don't think stuff like this or the Medieval pig organ counts, because it's humans playing animals as instruments, not animals doing the music themselves.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:47 (eighteen years ago)
Though of course the line of who is playing what is sometimes hard to draw.
No one has said Hongroe yet? Noodle vague is slipping!!
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:51 (eighteen years ago)
I think one of the guys from the metal band with the parrot is in Pig Destroyer now .
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:52 (eighteen years ago)
Jordi Valls (Vagina Dentata Organ) made his "Music For Hashishins" album in 1983 using the bark of rabid dogs. Tangentially related, "Un Chien Catalan" features the engine of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle ridden for an hour around Salvador Dali's estate in Cadaques.
― no-nonsense, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:53 (eighteen years ago)
Both terrible and a waste of vinyl
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:54 (eighteen years ago)
Is the motorbike rider the musician, though?
― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:54 (eighteen years ago)
Also every time this thread happens I mention Mira Calix and her insecty-noise pieces which I like a lot.
Virtually any field recording features non-human musicians, in some sense.
Brian Eno's written computer hoonja-doonjas that write or play music, I'd be surprised if he was the first or only person to do it.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:58 (eighteen years ago)
"what's that bird with Wings that can't sing?" etc
― Alan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:03 (eighteen years ago)
also Guiness Book of British Hit Singles used to have things like
"footnote 2: Ray Stevens does not appear as US male vocalist on this track but as a group of chickens"
― Alan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:04 (eighteen years ago)
Heh heh. I'd never heard that joke till that bloke from the Moody Blues helpfully pointed it out.
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:05 (eighteen years ago)
still waiting for Haile's debut album
http://www-static.cc.gatech.edu/~gilwein/Jamaa.jpg
― Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:11 (eighteen years ago)
PUPPETS are non-human. sort of. pinky & perky, zig & zag, that irish turkey. then there's the archies, gorillaz etc.
i guess this isn't where the thread should be going tho. eh?
― Alan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:14 (eighteen years ago)
Puppetmastaz!
― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:16 (eighteen years ago)
Sorry to shatter your dreams, but the music on records by puppets or cartoons isn't really made by puppets or cartoons.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:28 (eighteen years ago)
YOU LIE
― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:33 (eighteen years ago)
what is this 'really' you speak of?
― Alan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:49 (eighteen years ago)
Amazing... Not as cool as any of the above, but there was also the "Joe Jones Tone Deaf Music Co" who I knew from their part on Yoko's "Fly". As a mild diversion I followed the Googletrail to HERE, then jumped to searching for audio evidence of the singing dog, which, much to my disappointment, is now classified as a hoax...
― factcheckr, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 12:51 (eighteen years ago)
elephants (mentioned but not identified at top of thread):
http://www.amazon.com/Elephant-Orchestra-David-Soldier-Richard/dp/B00005B19H
dragonflies:
http://www.sublimefrequencies.com/item.asp?Item_id=15
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 13:05 (eighteen years ago)
Posted images of a coupla those elephant albums mid-thread
― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 13:11 (eighteen years ago)
There are lots and lots and lots of field recording of animals (and weather, and so on) out there. Whether you want to call them music or not is really up to you.
― Oilyrags, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 13:22 (eighteen years ago)
I think the idea of non-human "musicians" raises interesting questions about the nature of music. To be, the most simplest definition of music has always been that music is a set of sounds organized to make an aesthetic impression. But what if the organization of sounds is (at least partially) "decided" by an animal, or the wind, or a random noise generator in a computer? The sounds produced this way can still make an aesthetic impression in someone (like the elephant record mentioned in the first post made in me before I knew it was made by elephants), but is this sound "music"?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 13:30 (eighteen years ago)
In the elephant case you can at least argue that the instruments they play were built by humans to produce a certain type of sound, but what about sounds like birdsong? Are they music if they're put on record?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 13:31 (eighteen years ago)
I guess the easiest solution would be to reverse the equation: if someone feels some set of sounds is music, then it is.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 13:33 (eighteen years ago)
http://classweb.dctc.mnscu.edu/20053/VCOM268591/BLANCCHRI/animal.gif
― dad a, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 13:44 (eighteen years ago)
Maxime De La Rochefoucauld - Automates Ki "SEDENTARY OR NOMADIC? Canadian composer Maxime Rioux, aka Maxime De La Rochefoucauld, creates music with his mechanical orchestra of self-built automatons that is not so much polyrhythmic as polygravitational. With his mechanical orchestra of self-built automatons, he creates a theatrical performance/installation of soulful sound makers using ultra low frequency (inaudible) waves generated by an analogue synthesizer. The automatons are a whimsical mix of recognizable musical instruments and the booty of many garage sales: an assortment of bottles, thread spools, corks and bits of metal. www.maximerioux.com"
― Mr. Hal Jam, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 14:36 (eighteen years ago)
lolz hatebeak. I totally forgot about that band.
― RabiesAngentleman, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 14:41 (eighteen years ago)
That Thai Elephant Orchestra (Elephonic Rhapsodies) is awesome up until the part where people start playing with them. Seemed kinda intrusive and really toppled the magic.
― RabiesAngentleman, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 14:44 (eighteen years ago)
-- Tuomas, Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:33 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
Pretty much a brief summary of how I feel. Of all the dumb and lazy criticisms spoken about music I've always thought that "this isn't even music" write-off was roughly the dumbest and laziest. And if this kinda thought was reserved only for the "out" spectrum of music I'd be a little less disappointed in a lot of people but amazingly that's not the case.
― RabiesAngentleman, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 15:01 (eighteen years ago)
ohhh I've been awake for 26+ hours, I go awayyy now... x_X
― RabiesAngentleman, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 15:06 (eighteen years ago)