ROCK AND ROLL Vs. RAMBLE ON

deeznuts is wrong but i still like ramble on more

ramble on sounds nothing like rock & roll

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-- Mr. Que, Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:54 PM (1 second ago) Bookmark Link

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over the hills and far away

ya deej cuz every time que repastes someone elses post i feel sated

domi my point wasnt that rock n roll was supposed to be some kind of sonic improvement of ramble on & that it failed at that; it was that to me at least these songs have always been linked & its kinda ridiculous to suggest that they are beyond compare so stfu

domi my point wasnt that rock n roll was supposed to be some kind of sonic improvement of ramble on & that it failed at that

vs.

only downside of r&r for me is that its always sounded like an inferior sequel to ramble on

ok seriously is that all you do

sometimes people have to work with the material they're given

ps FOR THE SHIRE

the battle of evermore

(Does anyone besides deeznuts hear a connection between these two songs, btw?)

http://www.firstshowing.net/img/hobbit-1.jpg

guys this thread really was supposed to be more of an ILX PREFERS than a CONNECT THE DOTS thread

i don't really see how they're linked tho, except that they're both by led zeppelin. different tempos, different beats, one is a blues, the other isn't, ramble on has these big changes in mood, while rock and roll is kind of monolithic in energy, lyrically have nothing in common.

except i think i missed whatever else was going on before this thread started, so probably nevermind

super x-post

deeznuts linked them on the Led Zepplin IV thread, everyone reading wrote or thought "lol u high", deeznuts made this poll, ppl followed him here and wrote or thought "lol u high".

no it really has nothing to do w/ whatever else was going on before this thread started

SIGH i will maybe make an effort to explain why i connect them (outisde of the same band marker) but truth is i always heard these two as kind of sister songs inherently - most of yr points dominique are the same ones id make in evidence of that

xp whatevs hd

so like yin yang then

yeah! - and i think they connect erm physically - the core of the songs always 'felt' the same to me

ps no hippie

deeznuts most of the posters on this board do not find themselves in the position of having to constantly defend their reasoning behind making a thread

then talk about the fucking thread, bitch

hostile

the thread is ridiculous, you are ridiculous, and don't call deej a bitch

everyone otm

ROCK AND ROLL Vs. RAMBLE ON

stop tryin to son bros!!!!!!!!!!!!!

led zeppelin vs steely dan

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THAT IS SOME SOPHIE'S CHOICE SHIT RIGHT THERE

AHA! why are u posting to this thread at all then!

Ramble On for the chug-chug-chug --> crazy octave bass in the chorus

And also Page's guitar-as-Mexican-trumpets thing after "...it's time to ramble on..."

domi my point wasnt that rock n roll was supposed to be some kind of sonic improvement of ramble on & that it failed at that; it was that to me at least these songs have always been linked & its kinda ridiculous to suggest that they are beyond compare so stfu

as quite a few people who also like these songs seem to find little to support in this position, perhaps you might attempt a more formal explanation of how the songs resemble one another

ok

"i don't really see how they're linked tho, except that they're both by led zeppelin. different tempos, different beats, one is a blues, the other isn't, ramble on has these big changes in mood, while rock and roll is kind of monolithic in energy, lyrically have nothing in common."

-different tempos, different beats, one is a blues, the other isn't: yes, but both are relatively stripped down & radio ready as far as LZ goes

-ramble on has these big changes in mood: yes, which is one reason i like it better

- while rock and roll is kind of monolithic in energy: yes, but like i said i think the 'energy' of the songs have a similar feel

-lyrically have nothing in common: no, minus the gay tolkien imagery in ramble on they are basically mirror images of each other

heres how i feel about that post

deej, go read some more harry potter

im more into hobbits doggie

fyi i am not clicking that

btw cough Plant later admitted in an audio documentary that he was embarrassed by the Tolkien references. btw cough

im not even gonna start a page v. plant poll cuz itd be a fucking landslide (i ASSUME)

well, I don't hear the energy as similar at all. Ramble On has some of their Roy Harper/modal fetishism, classic Page alt tuning audible from the first stroke, nice smooth JPJ jazz bass tone and such a gentle Plant vocal turn in the first verse - really indulges his rarer smooth/no-grain sound for a line or too, I don't know is "nasal" is the right description - maybe palatal, if that's a way of singing? it sounds wonderful, anyway, and he does it a little more at the beginning of the second verse though not as smoothly. to be honest I'd like to know what kind of vocal mic they were using on him here & whether they used other ones on him in other cases. the dropped-in guitar leads are spacey in a really pleasant way and so different from what generally sounds like an acoustic song with a couple of electric afterhoughts - even the electric bass sounds very fireside & mellow in the verses.

Rock and Roll on the other hand is a huge blasting Bonham beat, the song is practically all about the authority & sheer power of of Bonham's approach; the riff, the vocal, the energy, all orbit those gigantic crashing cymbals. The one point of contact for me is in both songs' cyclical feel - how the verse elides with the chorus very smoothly and the chorus returns the favor. This is more true in "Rock and Roll," where the chorus shares the phrase "been a long time" with the opening line of the song and unless I miss my guess is the first arrival at the V of the blues progression, which always has the satisfaction-of-the-cycle feel.

I have fondness for both but "Ramble On" is much more interesting and fun for me, although if you were going to see only one of them live, I'd go with "Rock and Roll" - that opening drum phrase is convincing as fuck.

these loosely are some thoughts on these two songs, in which I hear few if any similarities.

i like that breakdown, rock and roll is hurt even more by the stupid car commercials that i now see in my head when i hear it

"what generally sounds like an acoustic song with a couple of electric afterhoughts- even the electric bass sounds very fireside & mellow in the verse"

this is maybe key in terms of how we interpret ramble on differently - the song is all about the blast, to me - 'mellow' is one of the last words id use to describe it. its a song that revolves around the shh-BOOM-shh formula & it lives on the BOOM - i think R&R fails in comparison precisely because its booms/blasts arent given the same impact

lyrical similarities i could write an A+ college essay on that shit but dont make me cuz it should be obvious

deej i sorta get the car commercial hate but come on songs are songs, i dont hate on everybodys happy nowadays cuz of that AARP commercial

In terms of "lyrical similarities", do you just mean that one is the inverse/opposite of the other (nostalgia vs moving on)? Maybe that's what you mean by "mirror image". The Tolkien imagery seems pretty significant in "Ramble On" though, just as the retro-50s imagery is in "Rock n Roll".

The "stripped-down, radio-ready" connection doesn't seem to connect these two songs more to each other than to "Bring It On Home" or "Immigrant Song" or "Over the Hills and Far Away" or ...

we must be listening to different radios then, because none of those songs get similar kind of play in my experience, nor do they deserve to

and how is the tolkien imagery significant as far as the tune is concerned? i mean i hope you realize yr drawing comparisons b/w "retro-50s imagery" with a song inspired by 50s music & "tolkien imagery" w a song inspired by...hobbit music?

In terms of "lyrical similarities", do you just mean that one is the inverse/opposite of the other (nostalgia vs moving on)? Maybe that's what you mean by "mirror image".

and yeah thats what i mean

(Great post, J0hn.)

yr drawing comparisons b/w "retro-50s imagery" with a song inspired by 50s music & "tolkien imagery" w a song inspired by...hobbit music?

haha OK, you're right that there's not the same direct connection with the musical idiom there, beyond the association of English folk/pastoral with the mythical. I just meant that the Tolkien imagery is a big part of the lyrics so it can seem like you're dismissing a lot by saying "Tolkien imagery aside,..." I think I know what you mean though.

I do hear "Immigrant Song" and "Over the Hills..." reasonably often, maybe not as much as these, not sure. I certainly hear "D'yer Maker" a lot, which seems to have more obvious connections to "Rock n Roll".

(Ha, now I see you spelled out the "lemme get back" vs "time I was on my way" thing at the top of the thread.)

"anyone who brings up tolkien refs as positives or negatives will be permabarred from ilm"

the fact that one of them mentions the "darkest depths of Mordor" is fucking awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLkOE4XDBis

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whoah wasn't expecting it to be quite that lopsided!