Bad Lieutenant - a post-New Order project featuring Bernard, Stephen, Phil...some other dudes, and obviously no Peter Hook

I don't think anyone has posted this yet. I don't know why the ILX-or who told me about this didn't post it here. Even if you don't like the song (and I can't imagine that if they finally release something it will actually be acoustic like this) there's a whole interview with Bernard from this same show that I haven't watched yet and may be of interest.

The ilxor who told me about this says that these guys are supposed to be involved:

i would love to see a competing spinoff band called "bad santa"

HAHAHAHAAH

this just seems kinda sad. sirens call was just painful and i dont see this being any better.
they should have all just retired after republic.

rong, crystal and what do you want from me are great

(probably plenty of others too but they sprang immediately to mind)

wasn't there one before sirens call? you know, the one with the camera and stuff on the front. totally memorable and amazing album with some songs on it or something.

Get Ready

For me the two post "reunion" albums seriously rank among their best. 'Sirens' was fantastic.

That's Get Ready, John. I liked Sirens, but Get Ready was really special. I would welcome another album at least as good as Sirens, though. I'm not expecting miracles, here. Really, I'm not.

they've had some ok songs post republic - brutal is pretty good, crystal is alright but i dont think the last 2 albums, for me, have one of those songs that make me think "shit, is this now my favourite new order song?", which every previous album did. for instance i think republic as a whole is great but not really on par with their previous albums but regret is pretty much the greatest thing ever. also no gillian, billy corgan singing on your records, playing joy division songs live - it all got a bit tacky and nostalgic for me. i'm probably just getting old though.

Yes, I know, no Gillian is a crime worthy of a 100 years in prison etc etc. We've heard it all before and I understand. (please Grimly Fiendish, don't mention this anymore, we've been there and done that now, she has to look after the kids, they can't help it okay? it's time to face up to these things now) But I have low expectations and for dog's sake if you think Republic is a great album, then we'll never agree on this, period.

Bimble I was being sarcastic, see. I don't think New Order have made a good album since Technique. "Regret" a fabulous song though.

Hahaha. Fair enough. In all honesty, I don't care. People can make of all this what they will. I don't expect it to matter to everyone, but it matters to me.

Also isn't Steely Dan your fave band, John? LOL in which case your opinion doesn't matter at all!

they should have all just retired after republic technique.

Not that subsequent albums don't have their highlights, but if we're talking about "bowing out while still culturally relevant and creatively inspired," then yeah..

no my favorite band is Darkthrone but you wouldn't have heard of them, they're not from the eighties

looooool

ty for the lol

No prob. Hey, I have no idea who Darkthrone is, but I fear they're metal in which case...let's agree to disagree, eh?

According to Wiki, Darkthrone's recent work has incorporated more crust punk traits.

LOL the term "crust punk" makes me feel really old.

I don't know how old you are, Bimble, but I'll bet that crust punks, at least, look older than you. After all, they're crust punks.

Wait, is that Barney or the mummified corpse of Chairman Mao?

Barney looks a lot like Inspector Derrick these days

As I told my friend, he looks as old as I FEEL.

No Peter Hook = no reason to listen.

Yes, that's what I said at first. *twiddles fingers* ho hum. Carry on...*whistles*

No Peter Hook on the first Electronic album either and that is one of the best collection of songs ever to come from Bernard Sumner. I love Hooky as much as the next middle aged balding man but I guarantee the Bernard Sumner project is going to piss all over the Freebass/Peter Hook project.

Thanks for mentioning the lack of Peter Hook in Electronic stuff! Thanking U!

See, I meant to mention that before, but it got lost in the shuffle, thanks.

No Peter Hook on the first Electronic album either and that is one of the best collection of songs ever to come from Bernard Sumner

Excellent point, actually. But having Johnny Marr in the proceedings compensates for the Hookectomy.

I think the song "For You" by Electronic is pretty much Sumner's finest moment outside of "Regret"

One of my favorite post-Smiths Marr moments too.

That first Electronic album, though, really is nigh on flawless. Summer of `91? Ah,.....happier times.

It's a happy day when Alex and I agree.

But having Johnny Marr in the proceedings compensates for the Hookectomy.

omg so classic

Look, I love you all very much, but once Bimble has finally downloaded the version of the Robyn Hitchcock song that he desires and which dragged him out of bed, then he must go to sleep at last. Like finally, after over 24 hours. And also a New Order tribute band is playing here in only...6 or 7 hours. Sleeeep.

Also Bank of America can go suck my asshole, and Bono with them.

the first electronic album is better than anything new order did since technique and maybe it's better than technique also

Also Bank of America can go suck my asshole, and Bono with them.

worst slashfic ever

the first electronic album is better than anything new order did since technique and maybe it's better than technique also

Dunno if it's better than Technique (that's a tall order), but it's certainly better than what followed it, yes.

I'd never heard of Electronic before. I just added Twisted Tenderness to my eMusic Saved-for-Later list. I take it that TT isn't as good as Electronic's first disc, but the samples still sound worthwhile. So: Thanks!

Twisted Tenderness is an embarrassment to Bernard, Johnny, Electronic and everything in between. Please choose another Electronic album to get acquainted with. Thanks!

Nothing else for Electronic on eMusic besides a 2008 album. Reviews for TT seemed okay:

Review by MacKenzie Wilson, All Music Guide
Johnny Marr and Bernard Sumner have a unique musical companionship. Both artists bred the '80s British music scene into pop candy delight thanks to Marr's charming guitar hooks while fronting the Smiths, and Sumner, whose ingenuous lyrical poetry pushed New Order's dance-oriented sound into the new wave mainstream. But since their musical collaboration began back in 1991, the duo continues to make music for themselves, uninhibited by current norms and marketing success. Twisted Tenderness, the band's third album, is certainly a vast improvement from their sophomore effort, 1996's Raise the Pressure. Twisted Tenderness steps back into Marr's talented guitar work: carefree, a bit rollicking at times, but classic Electronic fashion. The obvious rock-laden riffs carry the typical synth-generated backdrops, and Sumner's cheeky lyrics are stylish and breezy. Sumner, who experienced writer's block during the mid-'90s and resorted to Prozac to break his creative blindness, isn't exquisitely sharp or wholly impressive when it comes to being a songwriter. He's simple, and that's what makes Electronic and his work with his original band so alluring. But it's Marr's maddening style that carries things along. Songs like "Late at Night" and "Breakdown" fiercely showcase his spiraling guitar loops, not overshadowing Sumner's storybook visions of love, deceit, passion, and desire. And what makes Twisted Tenderness so vibrant is how Electronic placated their lushness for more of a moody demeanor, mysteriously similar to the likes of U2's electric distortion found on 1997's Pop. "Make It Happen" is nearly an eight-minute sonic bombast of churning basslines and swirling techno beats, and Marr's layering is raucous. He is so underrated as a mastered player, but outlets like Electronic and his new band the Healers make it easy for him to fully deliver his great skills. "Haze" showcases Sumner's snarling sauciness, which comes out occasionally, and is darkly wistful. But that's what New Order/Smiths fans are looking for. Electronic doesn't have to prove that they can write decent pop songs. Their musical brashness is expected, and Twisted Tenderness is their best yet. Marr and Sumner have already laid down the gravel in their previous musical lives -- Electronic is just an extra treat.

the only electronic album worth purchasing is the first. as said upthread it is better than 90% of the new order albums. the only one coming close is their first, movement.

No. Best Electronic album is the green one, Raise The Pressure. I'll swear on it in court.

All New Order albums up to Republic > Electronic Electronic > Republic > Raise the Pressure, although "Forbidden City" off RTP is a lovely song.

Ha! I know MacKenzie Wilson.

Please explain, Alex. I don't even know who that is.

he wrote the fucking review not five posts up

Ah, well fine then. People reviewing crap albums don't interest me, etc. etc.

Bimble here I was set to say "I'm with Bimble on the subject of Raise the Pressure" but seriously man read or at the very least skim the thread in which you're participating, OK?

John, I don't have a prob with you personally but really fuck off, I don't give a flying shit about that record, why would I care about a long winded review of it or who wrote it? Seriously, people. I DO NOT CARE. Not gonna fill my head with useless information. I thought Alex might be talking about a relative of Anthony Wilson or I wouldn't have even bothered!

the thing is no one cares whether you care or not. just shut the fuck up if you don't care. this isn't "thread of whether Bimble's interested in what somebody posts or not."

like I've been making a concerted fucking effort to focus on the positives of Bimble (we like a lot of the same bands, and even for a lot of the same reasons) but you don't have to shit on others' contributions to the threads on the subjects you're into.

I wasn't shitting on anything until someone kicked me for not remembering someone's name, man. I think that's pretty trivial and uncalled for.

I dedicate this thread to anyone who might want to post on it. I'm through.

Even in real life, even sober, I'm not good with names, never have been. Tough. Enough.

maybe you should do the internet sober more often

Some people say that, yes. That's certainly an opinion I've heard before. But I would still forget names! When I'm at work, I do post sober. But the reality is, I talk to people far, far less when I'm sober. I'm not social at all when I'm sober, really. Make of that what you will. I just don't reach out at all.

if 'reaching out' means telling people to 'fuck off', maybe you should reach out less.

Dude, I'm being crucified here for not remembering someone's name! This is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

Dude, I'm being crucified here for not remembering someone's name!

no, you're not, at all, but keep telling yourself that, I'm sure it's easier than "my bad"

I was reading this thread and when I got to "I know MacKenzie Wilson" I went "huh?" and then I went "wait I have an idea" and I scrolled up to the long block of italicized text that I had just ignored, quickly skimmed through it looking for the words "MacKenzie Wilson", read the rest of the thread, and made this shitty post.

(my backup plan was to hit ctrl-f and then type "mack")

Except for a couple tracks, I think Twisted Tenderness is a good album. I prefer it to Raise The Pressure. If you like Get Ready, TT would interest you.

Everyone wants to put one over on Bimble. God, how they'd love to put one over on me! When they wake up in paradise, they have wet dreams that they have put on over on Bimble. What an ego stroke that would be! To put one over on Bimble! But in this particular case it won't logically stand, my friend. For not remembering a dude's name is not a capital offense last I checked. Doesn't even say much about my musical taste.

Go listen to some X or something.

he wrote the fucking review not five posts up

it's a she, actually.

PWNED

Everyone wants to put one over on Bimble. God, how they'd love to put one over on me! When they wake up in paradise, they have wet dreamsfutile hopesthat they have put on over on Bimble has read the posts of others on a thread before commenting on said posts. What an ego strokepossibly fatal shock to the system that would be!

wtf is going on here

I'm the last to know. I'm listening to U2's Joshua Tree now. I'm going to call my friend from Liverpool who lives across the country in a second here. I don't need this shit.

wtf is going on here

I feel sort of responsible for posting that AMG review above.

OTOH, whatevs.

There was nothing wrong with posting that review.

this album is not gonna be anywhere as good as Schoolly D, so fuck it.

So according to P4K, S. Morris is not actually a member - just Bernard and some random dudes...

this thread is a riot.

Everyone wants to put one over on Bimble. God, how they'd love to put one over on me! When they wake up in paradise, they have wet dreams that they have put on over on Bimble. What an ego stroke that would be! To put one over on Bimble! But in this particular case it won't logically stand, my friend.

JORDAM SARGENTS FOR PRESIDETN

never unban

I had heard that Alex James was going in this band but maybe that was not serious. It does kind of sound like the kind of joke that ends with "....and the drummer from Gay Dad".

apparently he is on bass duties in the studio, but wont be playing live.

also +1 on never unban

man that Bad Lieutenant track on Songbook sounds like a gimlet-eyed attempt to write a cross between What Do You Want From Me and Crystal.

hate looking at this thread now for obvious reasons. but, anyway, sink or swim isn't that bad a song. I like it as much as anything on the last two new order albums I guess.

not feeling this at all so far

barney should just make singles really shouldn't he

that's unfair I guess, this record is fine.

album is leaking...

http://www.townsend-records.co.uk/i/covers/10003481.jpg

1. Sink Or Swim (04:14)
2. Twist of Fate (04:10)
3. Summer Days (05:06)
4. This Is Home (04:40)
5. Running Out Of Luck (05:02)
6. Dynamo (04:24)
7. Poisonous Intent (04:42)
8. These Changes (04:33)
9. Walk On Silver Water (04:59)
10. Shine Like The Sun (04:18)
11. Runaway (04:17)
12. Head Into Tomorrow (04:27)

Here is the live BBC2 broadcast from last night/tonight. (music only)

Interview and music.

man, bimble was the worst

that's a bit harsh now

this leaked weeks ago, I still really like sink or swim, dont' really care about the rest of the record.

why did I buy this?

I think the first 3, maybe 4 tracks are all pretty great. Tails off at the halfway point, but hey, who expects more than 3 or 4 decent songs from an album these days?

i bloody do

haven't heard the full album yet but i thought the 45 was acceptable

Finally got round to listening to some of this. It's woeful.

Whether or not it's worse than the Freebass EP is moot.