Has anyone got any more examples of fifth rate hackmanship from the past 6 months?
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dave Beckhouse, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― lyra in seattle, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
The splash page said "SHIT." in big happy letters.
Then there was a review.
It would have been my favourite if it just said "SHIT."
― JM, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Clarke B., Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― bnw, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave q, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― J Blount, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Brent Dicrescenzo's Tool review (which I think was actually from last year but anyway), on the other hand, is just indefensible. What is he even trying to say with the second half of that review? Tool suck because they appeal to young boys who care about geeky things like math and instrumental technique? Did it ever occur to him that his parody is more smug, elitist, and narrow-minded than the caricature of a Tool fan he set up? Or that he actually describes why this could be a great album to someone who doesn't share his taste in rock music? Is it just taken for granted at Pitchfork that Weezer or Sleater-Kinney are more significant and legitimate artists than classic rock radio staples like Yes or Queensryche? And has Dicrescenzo even heard the albums he's referencing? Does anyone really think Tool are reminiscent of the mellotrons, pastoral classical-style fingerpicking, and church-choir harmonies on The Yes Album? Would he be willing to point out the Peter Gabriel influence in Maynard Keenan's vocals or lyrics?
― sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I love that album with a straight face. Yes, it might be cheesy, but cheesiness itself is not a good reason to like something.
― Manny Parsons, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Sure, the latter falls into the full-of-sound-and-fury-signifying- nothing category - as do other notable 0.x-rated records like NYC Ghosts And Flowers and Zaireeka, but shit like Imperial Teen gets a 7.7.
It's better to dare greatness and fail than end up another Acetone. Original ideas, efforts that challenge critics on what is or isn't cool/now/hip are scoffed at more readily than the dime-a-dozen "indie rock" hacks 'round PFork way. The canned salvation army look 90% these twentysomething flakes are shucking is a thousand times more grating on my eyes than Andrew W.K.'s music could ever be on my ears.
That said, I'm still among the site's biggest cheerleaders.
― Chris Ott, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr Swygart, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
1. The whole "spit or swallow" thing
2. "And then you wake up the next morning, hazy-headed and groggy, humiliated by the preceding night's incidents..." - watch out Ryan, you might've caught a viscious case of Gono-ROCK-a from that slutty record! *ducks*
3. "This music is evil in its purest form, wafting through air, waiting to possess every decent person in the entire room until they're flat on their backs in bed, wrists tied to the headboard..." - damn Ryan, now that's just *kinky*. WK's brand of rock is more straight-up bang-bang missionary pumping, I'd say.
And, as Charlie asked on another board, just what *is* this "substance" Ryan speaks of anyway?
― C-, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― geeta, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Keith McD, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
the excerpt from her book linked to by Popbitch was also pretty hideous.
― Wyndham Earl, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
The review of Murray Street in VV this week was way below the standards of the Voice. And hardly as contrarian as it thought it was.
Bad music writing these days almost always contains an indulgent exhibitionist element: basically, if I see the first person perspective in a review, I know that the review is going to be much more concerned about the writer than the record. Shame on all you dumbass writers who think we care so much about your life.
― Don Weiner, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
The tone of it -- the cutesy-perky-teeny-pleadingness of it -- really put me off. Plus, that whole "Sonic Youth should break up cuz *I* think they suck" philosophy, even if it's meant as tongue-in-cheek, is so fucking juvenile and is no way to go about writing rock criticism. All she does by betraying what a lameass, Generation Sassy fangirl she used to be is to make herself look exactly like the type of person I'm sure she thinks she hates.
--Bad music writing these days almost always contains an indulgent exhibitionist element: basically, if I see the first person perspective in a review, I know that the review is going to be much more concerned about the writer than the record. Shame on all you dumbass writers who think we care so much about your life.--
I kinda disagree with that. I see nothing inherently wrong with a writer sharing her personal relationship with the music -- reviews that are simply rundowns of the track listing and laundry lists of good and bad points are incredibly boring, and say nothing of why I should trust or even believe the person writing the piece. It's all in finding the delicate balance -- I applaud writers who have the balls to experiment and break from the formula, and the fact that they're TRYING somewhat alleviates the wretchedness of their end result. But these things have to be even-handed: the personal has to be accompanied by the formal, something that shows me you know your stuff and you can write about it like a pro and not a fucking college student.
(And for the record, I LOVE Murray Street.)
― Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
it's fine for a writer to divulge their personal experience with the music--criticism is hardly immune from relying on personal taste or opinion--but most hacks go way beyond that.
which reminds me: anyone around here remember the review of a Rolling Stones album in SPIN about ten years ago by some moron who said the first time she heard a Stones song was when she heard "Exile On Main Street" by Pussy Galore?
― Don Weiner, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Allyour Base, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
of course, this does not explain why on earth I monitor their comings and goings. they must be doing something right.
― Don Weiner, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)