Convince me that Mike Love isn't the biggest wanker in History.

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"A lot of people forget that 'Kokomo' was our biggest ever hit"

What a twunt...

chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, Love lovers, what could you possibly say?

chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He isn't. Not in a universe where Fergal Sharkey exists. You see, at least Mr Love does actually acknowledge the existence of his group...

Mr Swygart, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

he's on my list of music's greatest villians

bc, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fergal doesn't acknowledge The Undetones? I suppose a good heart these days, is hard to find...

chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike Love == Reagan fellating hack riding on the coat-tails of more talented musicians. And a mediocre-at-best singer.
Ergo, dud. String him up with electrified barbed wire and get a baseball team to piñata his sorry ass.

Lord Custos III, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

are you guys talking about that big beach boys thing that was on t.v. last night? man were their harmonies ever loose when they played live.

fields of salmon, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike Love is a talentless loser who rode his cousin's coattails to fame and riches.

Manny Parsons, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Loose harmonies indeed. They were even worse when Carl had had a drink or nine.

clotion, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How can Mike Love be the biggest wanker in history when Michael Stipe is out there?

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike Love is cool, sorta you're opportunist grandad who hit it rich, and he his a great singer.

jel --, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't forget Robin Williams

Manny Parsons, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike Love is still pissed at his uncle Murray for selling off the song rights. It cost him quite a few million dollars, so perhaps that is part of his charm.

earlnash, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike fits into my 'everything is designed by Aaron Spelling' theory - which is that most huge groups have particluar 'character types' - the nasty one(Mike), the fun-loving one(Dennis), the Zany Genius(brian) and so on. What's realy scarey is how well this works for the Beatles. And the Stones.

Andrew, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I never thought Ringo was nasty, or a genius.

chewshabdoo, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Mike Love is a pretty decent singer -- who else can sound so thuggishly nasal? Wait, don't answer that.

This site is the only place I can find a web citation for this anecdote, but I've seen it elsewhere: "Bruce Johnston of The Beach Boys was so impressed by [Hawaii] he invited Sean O Hagan of The High Llamas to fly over to the States regarding the possibilty he work on new recordings by The Beach Boys. Sean arrived at the airport and was apparently immediately called a faggot by Mike Love."

Mike Love must be irony-impaired to a crippling degree, then. I'm sure y'all have seen him in The Beach Boys: An American Band, decked out in sequins, limping-out his wrist, wiggling his butt, mincing and prancing his way Chuck Berry's "Rock & Roll Music": Jesus God, even Richard Simmons couldn't approach that level of camp!

Michael Daddino, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i love that picture of mike love inside the sunflower (or is it Surf's up) sleeve where he's dressed up like jesus, creepily surrounded by children whilst lounging on the steps of the ganges river.....

mike love is a fag

geeg, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Did not Mike Love write the lyrics to 'God Only Knows'? I think I'd give a couple of thousand points to anyone with the nerve to begin a love song with the line 'I may not always love you?'

And, re a previous post in this thread, Mike isn't the wanker who sold off the rights to the songs.

Having said all this, I did notice on one Beach Boys site that there was a FAQ section... with one of the questions being 'Why does everyone hate Mike Love?'

Tim Bateman, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Did not Mike Love write the lyrics to 'God Only Knows'?

Tony Asher, surely?

Michael Jones, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, tony asher wrote all the lyrics on pet sounds didn't he?

"Do it again" is Mike Love at his best.

jel --, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ringo's the bumbling fun-loving one.

Andrew, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

cuer mark s wiv apparently boring point abt group dynamics: just because ML didn't do something CREATIVELY SIGNIFICANT (= something he can by copyright law be directly paid for) doesn't mean the Beach Boys cd have possibly have continued recording w/o him. Fuck aaron spelling: for a group to exist long- term as a group, one person has to be the glue and one person has to be the drive, and maybe you have to find an intrument for them to play one-stage w.the amps turned off if these ppl have no "musical" contribution to make. The central problem w. the beach boys is that the fountain of their creativity is — artistry aprt — basically a suggestible child w/o much personal ambition, who has switched svengalis all his life. Mike Love is an IMPROVEMENT on Murray Wilson (and I think on Dr Eugene Landy also, but I am not a BB obsessive so will step down on that if challenged). I am tempted to prefer him to Van Dyke Parks also, but that is just being stir-it perverse....

mark s, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike Love once scowled at me for no apparent reason while I was interviewing his opening band...just walked past, gave me the dirtiest look in the entire world, then continued on his trek.

I seem to recall some sad story about Love convincing a bunch of female groupies that they would be able to meditate with him a whole lot better if they did so while topless. But I could be misremembering this story.

Sean Carruthers, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three weeks pass...
Mark S: good point, but it doesn't stop Love's owning of the wanker crown. I'm sure I don't need to point out that a lot of artists (used very liberally in this case) are pretty nasty people

Chewshabadoo, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...

Lay off Gore, says Beach Boys’ Love

Beach Boy Mike Love thinks that a certain Republican senator from Oklahoma should mind his manners a bit.

Speaking at the National Press Club Monday, the Rock and Roll Hall of Famer and cousin to the band’s Wilson brothers said he was doing a different kind of surfing — channel surfing — last week when he came across C-SPAN’s broadcast of Al Gore’s testimony on climate change. He happened to tune in right when Sen. James Inhofe, a global warming skeptic, was giving Gore an earful.

“Gore deserves a bit more respect than he was shown by a rancorous senator from Oklahoma,” Love said. “I was offended by the rancorous display of hostility. There’ll be a time in the not-too-distant future when no one will inhabit elective office unless they are environmentally conscious.”

“I’ve evolved a bit from writing songs about gas-guzzling cars,” added the bearded, ballcapped Love, who sported four rings on his fingers and answered several questions by quoting copiously from his songs.

In the Q&A portion, Love confessed that the secret to singing the same songs over and over is “transcendental meditation.”

When asked how D.C.-area girls compared with California girls, he played it coy.

“By no means are we saying that one is better than the other,” he said. “We’re just trying to be inclusive.”

And finally, when asked if he plans to retire, he borrowed a line from another band, joking that he’d never retire as long as he gets “money for nothing and chicks for free.”

gershy, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 07:20 (eighteen years ago)

I love the way that Love goes all James Ellroy when he's irked ("I was offended by the rancorous display of hostility").

Apropos Sinker above; ML was creatively significant in that he helped shape BW wayward and slightly unsupportable fantasies to make them work as pop - you only have to look at the Love-less "Good Vibrations" which is undeniably interesting but structurally all over the place and unfocused. So ML provided both the glue and the drive. But likewise ML needed BW in the long term for the Beach Boys not to become the Four Freshmen and play gyms and barns for the rest of their lives.

If BW was Coltrane (which he wasn't, and couldn't be) ML would have been Tyner.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 07:40 (eighteen years ago)

i agree with you up until you diss good vibrations. but maybe you're right and im conditioned to its structural madness from hearing it everywhere since i was an infant. it speaks to me and i find every part totally awesome and perfect.

i was watching this crazy new concert on PBS the other day. it was DONAVON FROM THE KODAK THEATER PRESENTED BY DAVID LYNCH FEATURING MIKE LOVE. (!!!) it was pbs so when it started it was like "this has been made possible by a grant from the DAVID LYNCH FOUNDATION FOR TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION SCHOLARSHIPS" which was pretty creepy. Mike Love showed up at the end to sing "Mellow Yellow" wearing a yellow jacket and he kept pointing at it like "look IM wearing yellow loll i am the shit!" and his vocals were the worst thing I've ever heard in my life.

chaki, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

As I clearly and legibly stated in my post, "look at the Love-less 'Good Vibrations'."

By that I meant the numerous versions recorded and demoed by BW before ML gave it a chorus and a hook.

I assumed that most ILMers had sufficient intelligence and foreknowledge to discern this. I am sorry if I've been proved wrong.

David Lynch and Mike Love both bat for the same (GOP) side.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 11:58 (eighteen years ago)

i wasnt trying to prove you wrong, dude! sheesh.

chaki, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

David Lynch and Mike Love both bat for the same (GOP) side

Lynch is not a Republican

latebloomer, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

alleged professed admiration for Reagan aside

latebloomer, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.nervepop.com/filmlounge/interview/DavidLynch/printcopy.html

latebloomer, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

Bono.

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

David Lynch who said in the nineties that they should reform the law to allow him to shoot "scum" who trespassed on his lawn.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

i didn't say he didn't have conservative leanings, but he's hardly someone who "bats for the GOP".

latebloomer, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 12:33 (eighteen years ago)

“I’ve evolved a bit from writing songs about gas-guzzling cars,” added the bearded, ballcapped Love,

"however screwing underage girls is still an issue I'm working through" he continued with a wink.

m coleman, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

Mind how you go with the quick-to-sue Mike Love!

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

Ugh, this guy. Useful chiefly as a case study of a bloated rock star.

One time Debbie Clemens called up a Boston radio station and told this tale of her time at the previous night's Beach Boys concert at Great Woods: She and her friend had seats way up front (because she's Roger Clemens' wife) and caught Mike Love's eye, he was winking at them through the show and for laughs they egged him on. He has one of his minions* come out to tell them the band wants to see them backstage after the show. They go, and he's flirting, and somehow the subject of the US of A comes up. "We love America, we're the all-American band!" he says. They ask, do you love apple pie? "We love apple pie!" Do you love baseball? "We love baseball!" Then she hits him with it: "Then maybe you've heard of my husband, Roger Clemens?" He's immediately crestfallen, and stammers out, "Husband? We thought you girls were like 16!" So Debbie says, "If you thought we were 16 then what were you doing bringing us backstage?"

* You have to assume Mike Love's minions are legion.

dad a, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

Hang on...did she hit him with a baseball?

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

If only.

dad a, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

he was doing a different kind of surfing —

- channel surfing

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

I'm thinking ML has just picked up the word "rancorous" somewhere and is really jazzed about it. He uses it in two consecutive sentences.

If BW was Coltrane (which he wasn't, and couldn't be) ML would have been Tyner.

Can't let this one just sit there without defending McCoy a bit. Tyner, whatever he might be up to now, was a creative giant in his own right in the 70s. Give a listen to Trident and Enlightenment. I listen to these just as often as the classic JC Quartet stuff.

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

I...was...using...the...comparison...as...a...compliment...

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)


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