Jaded (adjective not Aerosmith!)

i only invoke the "jaded" adjective to describe someone whose blasé about everything he or she hears, always invoking the "(FILLIN THE BLANK) did that years ago on the (FILL IN THE BLANK) album" or comments of a similar ilk. To be jaded, methinks, is to always compare everything to what the person thinks are his or her peak past experiences, nothing ever living up to it.

For me, it means listening to far too much music, buying a few albums that I don't like etc. It's the fall out of musical overload, so perhaps I shall use the term "music fatigue" instead of jaded.

"You're jaded" = "Please stop exposing my callowness and ignorance", ranks right down there with (whining voice)"Why do you always intellectualise everything"(i.e. "I am inarticulate, or maybe retarded")

Gareth's post to the Oasis thread about why "jaded" is applied to rock/indie is correct, I think. Also... the accused tends to be jaded about music the accuser considers to have heart and/or soul, or to be authentic, expressive, emotive etc. especially if said emotions are "simple" ones (love, joy, good times). The idea being that the hata has become cynical/ distrustful of this music, as if they had somehow been burnt by it in the past, so they focus on music from which they can derive either conceptual appreciation or fleeting, superficial pleasure. Like if a man whose wife had cheated on him devoted himself to books and prostitutes, missing out on the "real" emotions in favour of distracting simulacra.

As this rests on preconceived notions of the authentic and emotions, there are bands and artists for which it almost seems impossible to be called "jaded" for disliking - Oval, for example.

what i said on the oasis thread=

"i think people do get called jaded for not liking rock/indie music, yes. the underlying assumption/implication being that anyone who doesn't like indie/rock must have liked it 'at some point' and then got jaded - whereas someone who doens't like dance/hip hop/jungle/salsa/bugalu/disco/salsoul/techno/garage/bounce/miami bass/go-go/jazz/folk/country/ never liked that=not jaded ie - people only like other music because they are 'tired of rock', no thought given to the fact that people may actually have liked this music first, that not everyone has a rock/indie background. but then, thats the primacy of rock/indie in discourse for you"...

jaded is used as a pejorative to describe people who dislike the music you like - if you don't like messiaen/the bellrays/masters at work/big pun you must be jaded! but when was the last time you heard anyone say someone was jaded for disliking big pun or messiaen or MAW? its almost always indierock types who use the word jadedness. (ha! the great irony is that its actually at house clubs where people say "its not as good as it used to be! and always have done since the year dot")

Huh? I think jaded just means close-minded against something because you've had bad experiences with it in the past.

what it means, and how it is used are not the same thing. its use involves assumptions...

I don't think I've ever heard this actually happen. Actually, there is a whole encyclopedia of attitudes and biases that seem to be associated with indie (and punk and whatever other alternative music people were listening to as I grew up) that I never heard about until I started reading webboards and writing for an indie website.

But I guess it really does happen. Where I grew up, everyone hated punk and disco equally.

Dave 225 -
No, I think it feels more like being 'closed-minded' against something because it seems like a derivative or inadequate or misappropriated simulation of other stuff that you've had GOOD experiences with in the past.
When I feel 'jaded' (far too often for my own liking) it's pretty much a mixture of what Jack Cole, Tim F & Gareth have described above - this horrible sense of things not being 'as good as they used to be', or, more accurately, of music not 'meaning' as much as it once did to you...
And somewhere in there also is definitely an absurd sense of having been 'betrayed' in some way....
(Sorry about all these wanky inverted commas, it's just that these terms are so 'wanky' too.)

Yeah but --

You're jaded about the shit because you've heard it before. Not because you didn't like the original originals, but because you heard some shit ripoffs and now you're jaded towards all subsequent ripoffs, assuming their shit without actually hearing them - or dismissing them as shit without really listening to them. (Not that that's a bad/unwarranted thing.) Such as: "Yeah, I'm sure the new Blink-182 is great for those that like that kind of thing - but fuck it. It sucks. I don't have time to waste listening to it - I guess I'm jaded." Alright, Blink-182 might not be the best example because they do, indeed, suck. But some shit band like that...

Reading my last post, I now realize that the use of "Jaded" is just a self-deprecating way of being polite to people that are trying to get you to listen to shitty music. "Do you like Creed?" "No, but I'm Jaded" ... sounds more polite than, "No, they suck."

Sometimes you don't want to offend. Sometimes you do.

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Like if a man whose wife had cheated on him devoted himself to books and prostitutes, missing out on the "real" emotions in favour of distracting simulacra.

Jeez, Tim. A bit of a harsh metaphor, I'd think! And also surely oppressively heterosexist in terms of construction. ;-)

I use the word in accordance with the meaning my dictionary gives it. It seems other people have a lot of external baggage associated with it, but they are very wide of the mark attributing that meaning to me when I use the term. And its nothing to do with genres.

Presuming that tom's question isn't just more fuel to the nasty flame fest and responding honestly, I'm surprised there are so many folks claiming to be not jaded. I'm jaded. I wish I was less jaded, The Vines for instance sound like a lot of fun to me. But I'm never going to be a fan. Because I had my fill of that type of new wave / power pop about the time that The Motors were around.

The thing is, I don't actually like not-liking The Vines (or The Streets to give another example of a music I can't enjoy due to being too familiar with its source and style). There are very few bands I like not-liking - Primal Scream, Radiohead, Manics... thats about it really.