"Modern" hardcore that doesn't suck

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Where modern is like mid 80's NYC stuff and on. No Minor Threat, etc. But we'll have a pretty broad definition.

So much of this music is lame "mosh" crap. But there are some gems.

- Unbroken
- Shotmaker
- Sleepytime Trio
- Orchid
- Portraits of Past
- Mohinder
- Black Dice

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

hey tom, where the hell is my article?!

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 17:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Doesn't Black Dice sound just like Social Distortion? Not very hardcore if you ask me. What is there by Mohinder other than like 2 seven-inches from the early 90s? How did they get such a big reputation?

Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 17:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Kris: are you trolling?

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 17:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Guyana Punch Line, Melt Banana, Lightning Bolt, the Locust...

Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)

oooh, yea!

Pretty much anything on 31G, GSL, 5RC/KRS, Gravity, Load or Skin Graft.

But let's not forget that the lame mosh/youth crew kids have some good music in there!

- Converge
- Old Cave-In
- Chain of Strength

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 17:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Heroin were fantastic--their seven-inch on Gravity is one of the best 'modern' hardcore singles.

Actually, most Gravity bands were pretty great: Universal Order of Armaggeddon, Antioch Arrow... Angel Hair were pretty good too (though they're kind of a slower, more metallic version of Drive Like Jehu). Do those Gern Blandsten bands count? Merel definitely had their moments (especially their song on the Iconoclast split).

Also, Maximillian Colby. They were better than Sleepytime Trio, even...

Diego Hadis (dhadis), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

''Melt Banana''

me thinks its more to do with thrash metal.

i really like to hear black dice tho'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Diego: I agree with you totally.

Native Nod is playing right now here.... mmmm

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)

As far as Heroin, I think they have some really bad material.

also: this link is cool

http://www.robotix.org/sounds/

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I won't disagree with you on that--it wasn't all golden. But that Gravity single--especially the first song, "Leave"--is unbeatable. Have you heard End of the Line? They had members of Heroin and the singer from John Henry West. Friends who used to see them say Heroin were great live, but End of the Line were even better. Who knows. Their 12" is okay...

Diego Hadis (dhadis), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm. I will try to dig it up. I think I'm supposed to get that Ebullition comp in the mail with JHW on it.

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Refused! Hot Snakes! Drive Like Jehu!

Well, post-hardcore or whatever you want to call it anyway.

Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Refused is good but highly overrated.

Born Against is way better.

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

The last Dead And Gone record on GSL (The Beautician) is terrifying... how he sings like that without shredding his throat is beyond me. Best title: "Rats the Size of Rats"

andy, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Shape of Punk to Come is an amazing record, I do believe. Another contemporary great: The Blood Brothers.

Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Kris: are you trolling?

Huh? I asked both of those things sincerely. It's very possible that I'm wrong, but I'm certainly not trolling.

Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh wait, I was thinking of someone else, not Black Dice. I've never heard Black Dice.

Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Black Dice sounds absolutely nothing like Social D. Where did that come from.

You could compare them to Mohinder though.

Mohinder had Two 7" EPs I belive. The CD discography has both and some live material IIRC. There's also a secret song of an instrumental they recorded.

Mohinder's drumming and noisy style are amazingly influential. I think a few of them went on to other important bands. The only ex-Mohinder band that I can summon up right now is the Anasazi.

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 19:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Crumbsuckers

Lek Dukagjin, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

My flave-orites:

-The Policy of 3 album on Old Glory Records
-Merel/Iconoclast split 7"
-Twelve Hour Turn, "The Victory of Flight"
-Heroin
-Drive Like Jehu
-all Palatka material
-both Assfactor 4 albums
-Current (the album particularly)

There's more, of course.. but that springs to mind right now. Also a lot of what Jon mentioned in his initial post.

Ian, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Angelhair, Clikatat Ikatowi, Unwound, Heroin, Universal Order, Man is the Bastard, Discordance Axis, cattlepress, born against, the locust, coalasce, spazz, melt-banana, song of zarathustra.

I wish i had my records here at work...

dead dead bird, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

So I was hopping from concert to concert at Wesleyan on Friday, and someone suggests we go to the "punk/goth frat" to some "punk/goth" show. I didn't have anything else to do, so I went.... and the Ex Models were playing! Geez, they're great. They were acting like drunk jerks, but they were really precise... kind of like Melt Banana (though probably not as thrash-y), shooting in a million different directions at once. The frat had this chair that was probably about 12 feet high; a grown man could stand on it and still lay his head against the back cushion. The guitarist kept standing on it and throwing himself back against the cushion while wriggling, as if he were having a seizure. This articulated their aesthetic better than I ever could.

charlie va, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Doesn't Black Dice sound just like Social Distortion? Not very hardcore if you ask me.

Huh?? Have you hear their latest stuff. Emo Boys are weeping...

brg30 (brg30), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

There's a whole slew of recent Seattle hardcore youngstaz that are quite nice:

Teen Chthulu
Akimbo
Doosh!
The Blood Brothers
etc.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 00:22 (twenty-three years ago)

anyone who reveres maximillian colby has my instant respect.

engine down came out of the same matrix of bands and are pretty good.

shotmaker are just too bland and undistinguished, like planes mistaken for stars and most of the other suposedly political but really tiredly oblique shit that's coming out now.

mike (ro)bott, Wednesday, 9 October 2002 00:35 (twenty-three years ago)

The VSS! But wait... are they harcore???

original bgm, Wednesday, 9 October 2002 00:53 (twenty-three years ago)

engine down came out of the same matrix of bands and are pretty good.

I was discussing with a friend earlier today how Engine Down, to me, aren't bad but they also aren't anything to write home about either. After their first album they lost the screaming and, to me, seemed to degenerate into bland mid-tempo indie rock. Again, not that they do what they do poorly or anything, but it just doesn't sit well with me. I get bored too easily.

I revere Rah Bras, who came out of the Max Colby/Sleepytime family tree. Haven't heard any of their recorded stuff but they get the bodies moving live--crazy synth-dance-punk for hardcore kids and nose rock fans.

Ian Johnson, Wednesday, 9 October 2002 01:29 (twenty-three years ago)

nose rock rules.

original bgm, Wednesday, 9 October 2002 01:32 (twenty-three years ago)

And also: Is Converge/early Cave In hardcore or metalcore? Does it matter? Because if they're hardcore, are Mastodon and Minus as well? Because their last albums were both tops.

I'm asking because I once called early Cave In metal to a friend, only to be quickly reprimanded. "Cave In are hardcore. Not metal." Who cares? (me, apparently)

original bgm, Wednesday, 9 October 2002 01:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Tragedy!!!

gabriel rodriguez-doerr (gabe), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 07:47 (twenty-three years ago)

thekevorkiansolution, like i've been trying to tell everyone!

bob snoom, Wednesday, 9 October 2002 09:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, Engine Down have turned into a pop band. The fourth song on that second record is really nice though.

And Charlie, I agree. The Ex Models are a lot of fun live.

Yancey (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 13:54 (twenty-three years ago)

racebannon. though i guess you could call them more deranged spazz-rock than anything else. still great, however.

chris smith, Wednesday, 9 October 2002 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Everyone is listening good stuff, but what about more mainline hardcore stuff? Surely there are gems there.

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)

if they're hardcore, are Mastodon and Minus as well?

The Mastodon material I've heard was hardcore at least...

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)

eight years pass...

Aww man Annihilation Time. I am loving this shit. I dunno that it's really hardcore but it reminds me of "Feel the Darkness." And they cover "Teenage Rebel" by the Pink Fairies. And they started out in Oxnard! Where have I been all their lives?

BENDLESS WOOKIEE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 22 October 2010 04:58 (fifteen years ago)

You know another good loud rock meets Poison Idea band? To Hell And Back.

BENDLESS WOOKIEE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 22 October 2010 05:00 (fifteen years ago)

guilty pleasure time (jess will laugh i'm sure):

saetia
off minor
hot cross

i have an ipod playlist with these guys that just killzzz it.

would appreciate a RIYL of the above if you're not lolzin at me.

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 October 2010 05:17 (fifteen years ago)

"modern" "hardcore"

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 October 2010 05:40 (fifteen years ago)

harvey milk

...probably classed as sludge

jumpskins, Friday, 22 October 2010 17:12 (fifteen years ago)

Annihilation Time's third album is so fucking great.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Friday, 22 October 2010 18:30 (fifteen years ago)

IT IS GREAT. Thank you for convincing me to check it out there, because I hadn't. And I just bought it and it fucking rules.

Borbotemungus or something like that. (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 28 October 2010 04:39 (fifteen years ago)

Having fallen it with AT because of this thread, I have to say, yeah! Bedroom Hendrix joins HC at it's best.

But Black Breath is great too, and still a functioning unit.

bendy, Thursday, 28 October 2010 05:46 (fifteen years ago)

does hot snakes count?

cause, hot snakes.

dayo, Thursday, 28 October 2010 07:13 (fifteen years ago)

have an annihilation time 45 around somewhere. remember liking it, but only kinda. wish i knew where it was...

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Thursday, 28 October 2010 07:26 (fifteen years ago)

two months pass...

Have any recent bands taken up the Blood Brothers' torch in a good way?

serenchwilen, Monday, 10 January 2011 20:55 (fifteen years ago)

Doesn't Black Dice sound just like Social Distortion?

― Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, October 8, 2002 10:30 AM (8 years ago)

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Monday, 10 January 2011 21:11 (fifteen years ago)

xp are Ex Models still around?

lamey g. curtis (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 10 January 2011 23:24 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyvHKjUPLMY

Just been offered an interview with him by his manger. (Craig D.), Monday, 10 January 2011 23:46 (fifteen years ago)

I <3 the first Total Abuse LP but haven't heard the one that Youtube is from - I don't think a single distro carried it in the UK (other than like Boomkat, which is fine but I'd've been looking at paying maybe £14 for a 20-minute record), probably largely to do with them abandoning their Euro tour in Germany (and not making it to the UK) because they were so annoying that no-one wanted to drive them round

cup of tea & an orange.xls (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:16 (fifteen years ago)

Ex Models the band don't exist now but there were subsequent bands... Pterodactyl was one iirc?

cup of tea & an orange.xls (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:17 (fifteen years ago)


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