post-turntablism, or something to that extent?

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you guys up on Otomo Yoshihide? i was just told to check out Ground Zero. is it good?

what about Christian Marclay?

are these guys more famous their music or for what they do conceptually to the turntables and records (breaking records and putting them back together, yada yada)

and on a side note, i went to an art opening w/shepard fairey and dj spooky and left w/the worst taste in my mouth. spooky played scratchy records and painted at the same time. all the while he was breaking records and throwing them at the audience. the painting was a big splattery mess of one color (silver) that my dog could have done (i don't really have a dog, but...) and i heard it sold for 500$! what really got my panties in a bunch (besides the music and painting sucking) was the fact that he had the audacity to compare him self to "jacson pollack meets grandmaster flash". wank

― JasonD, Monday, 14 October 2002 05:43 (twenty-three years ago)

thats awesome!! anyway post-turntablism whatever lives on in nu metal, search x-ecutioners f linkin park - its going down

― s trife (simon_tr), Monday, 14 October 2002 05:58 (twenty-three years ago)

best part about that song is that linkin park give the x-ecutioners credibility instead of the other way around

― boxcubed (boxcubed), Monday, 14 October 2002 06:05 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm embarrassed to say, but i knew the guitarist a bit in college. he lived next door to my best friend. was a nice enough guy. gave me a couple tapes of his band (i think they used to be called zero or something). it was a bad 311 kinda thing. too bad i didn't keep it. had i known they'd become one of the biggest bands in the world, i probably could have made a pretty penny on ebay for one of those things.

but, no, turntablism in a post-hip-hop sort of way.

― JasonD, Monday, 14 October 2002 06:37 (twenty-three years ago)

why is it *post* anything?

― bob zemko (bob), Monday, 14 October 2002 07:38 (twenty-three years ago)

i dunno, to make it sound cooler of course

because experimental-music-with-the-turntable-as-the-main-instrument-outside-the-realms-of-hip-hop was already taken?

― JasonD, Monday, 14 October 2002 07:44 (twenty-three years ago)

''why is it *post* anything?''

becuz these are 'post' type times bob.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 14 October 2002 09:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Ground Zero's "Revolutionary Pekinese Opera v1.2" is the GZ I would recommend to start with. It's the one that I take return listens to.

As for Marclay:(http://www.northwestern.edu/jazz/artists/marclay.christian/discog.html) he's got a varied output, from more accessible Oswaldish speed plunderphonics stuff to abstract sounds which are hard to place.

here's a recent "Physical Remix" webpage
http://www.findo.freeserve.co.uk/index2.htm

there are probably hundreds of broken record recordings out there, i got one recently, unfortunately i can't remember the title or creator, but it was funny the cover had the pictures of the records inverted so that they looked like broken cd's. the recordings were done in the 60's from what i remember of the liner notes. Miztnik(sp?)

― PeterALopez, Monday, 14 October 2002 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

experimental-music-with-the-turntable-as-the-main-instrument-outside-the-realms-of-hip-hop

Yes, because it's not legit "experimental music" unless it's taken out of a hip-hop context and sold to the P.S. 1/BAM crowd.

― Jody Beth Rosen, Monday, 14 October 2002 18:01 (twenty-three years ago)

i guess Fingathing come under this. when i saw them i had a hard time working out whether what they were doing was experimental or just so ultra-traditional it seemed experimental (presumably the arty projections that accompany their live show are intended as a signpost pointing to the latter).

― Wyndham Earl, Monday, 14 October 2002 18:17 (twenty-three years ago)

lets not forget that hip-hop can be experimental music and of course in its early days the recs were 'new' and 'exciting' too.

but stuff like ground zero etc try to find other contexts for the turntable and that is welcome.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 14 October 2002 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Yoshihide is a bit different than Marclay because he's as often on guitar as he is manipulating records or samples, and is heavily into free-improv (from a jazz perspective, rather than dada-ist turntable cutups). Still, I think the kind of music he makes -- is constructing or deconstructing? -- is pretty remarkable. GZ was one of the best bands of the 90s, and IMO got better as they went along. Null & Void would be my choice to start, but eventually you have to hear Plays Standards, Consume Red and then the earthquake show that was Last Concert.

As far as what "they are more famous for", I'm not sure they're as famous as they should be. I'm not very up on Marclay's stuff, but Yoshihide is one of the few people who is able to make "noise" music that is both viscerally moving and interesting to attempt to dissect -- and often more powerful than a bulldozer.

― dleone (dleone), Monday, 14 October 2002 18:57 (twenty-three years ago)

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