opeth C or D

I'm inclined to echo the sentiment that they could be great if they got their shit together and write something coherent. People seem to love them though - and I do enjoy some of it (mainly "Orchid", probably because that's the first thing I heard from them and it has quite well done twin guitar melodies). It's nothing like Dream Theater who always had that annoying 70s/early 80s "heavy metal" wanking thing along with the OTT prog attitude. And nothing like the "smothering the listener with rhythmical chaos" approach of Meshuggah either. It's quite laid back stuff really, even the "heavy" passages aren't extreme at all.

How I heard of the band in the first place, actually! Thanks to Steven Wilson producing...

they get points for naming one of their albums using a line from a comus song, though.

I can see why Opeth is so popular outside metal circles, it's very much a metal band for people who don't like metal. They're very conventional melodically, not very inaccessible or harsh and keep the distorted guitars and growly vocals in bite-sized 2 minute chunks. They might be formulaic, but they're not one-dimensional and can pull off a range of vocal styles and melodies. Plus they don't talk about Satan, Odhinn, misanthropy or nuclear armageddon, which also broadens their appeal...

'still life' is still the masterpiece.

everything else with the exception of 'damnation' (which is pretty average) ranges from very good to excellent. at their sharpest and most focused, they are pretty unbeatable in the metal genre, i'd suggest. they are weaker at times when their songs don't follow a cohesive structure and there's discordance between the heavier and more mellow parts.

I haven't heard anything earlier than Blackwater Park, but everything I have heard ranges from very good to excellent. Both the clean and death vocals took some getting used to for me, but I don't mind them now. I suppose they might infuriate metal purists because of their prog/folk tendencies. Great riffs, melodies, and musicianship; interesting textures, arrangements and song structures. They might be a bit too earnest for some tastes.

the deeper I got into metal, the less I liked Opeth, though Blackwater Park still does the trick for me - it's pretty much all the Opeth I need

IOW Siegbran OTM, unsurprisingly

i still like the old stuff best. the last album lost me completely, even though it's a pretty impressive performance. well, i did like damnation/deliverence, so i guess i don't only like their old stuff. the only album i truly love by them though is morningrise and i haven't played it in ages.

well, the last album didn't LOSE me, really, it's a natural progression from damnation/deliverence, i just never want to play it. i listened to it twice, i think.

i would definitely recommend damnation/deliverence to prog fans and hard rock fans and i would definitely recommend morningrise to metal fans. most metal fans have probably already heard it though. but just in case!

the deeper I got into metal, the less I liked Opeth

I'm curious- is that because you found other metal bands that do what Opeth does, only better? Or is it because your tastes changed and you found less need for what Opeth does well? Does that make sense? I suppose maybe that what you liked in Opeth when you first heard them was their metal side, and as you got more into metal, you found other bands that hit that nerve more directly. However, if what you liked about Opeth at first was not their metal side but the way they fused different styles, then perhaps you would have had a different experience as you listened further into metal.

yeah - other bands who on the surface seemed super-harsh turned out to be up to at least as much interesting stuff as Opeth. Especially Katatonia (who have also jumped the shark tho), the Brave Murder Days comp was kinda my "why would I listen to Opeth when this is sorta aiming for the same mood only hitting it so much harder and deeper" moment - Opeth starts to seem like the whitewashed version of something a lot more complex & interesting

I'll check out Katatonia. The first thing I noticed when I looked up Brave Murder Day on Amazon is that Mike Akerfeldt (Opeth's vocalist, guitarist, and, from what I gather, primary songwriter) is also the vocalist on it.

I'm still into Opeth plenty...they're definitely one of my faves. And I thought still think Ghost Reveries is fantastic. Right up there with Blackwater Park, Still Life, and My Arms, Your Hearse.

And Katatonia jumping the shark??? The Great Cold Distance is the strongest thing they've ever done.

"The Great Cold Distance is the strongest thing they've ever done."

it really really isn't, but i think it's nice of you to feel that way.

It has some of the best clean vocals I have hear on a metal album in years. And yeah, in this band's case, I prefer Renske's more understated vocal approach, it works extremely well.

well, yeah, but it's similar to their last four albums in that regard. i just don't think the songs are as strong.

listened to Brave Murder Days on the airplane today for, like, the tenth time this year - Christ but Katatonia was well beyond great in those days. I don't think Opeth ever did anything as good as that early Katatonia stuff.

i agree with a. begrand about 'the great cold distance'. and contrary to what a lot of people think about it being 'alternative rock', it's actually a pretty HEAVY record. i think it's just got the edge over 'last fair deal gone down' which is more rock-based, with a pervading cure influence (see: intro to 'tonight's music')

and i think 'still life' is much more developed and interesting that early katatonia, which i nevertheless still like a lot. :)

Morningrise is the only Opeth I like as much as early Katatonia. Morningrise and Damnation/Deliverence might be all I need from the band. Or the only ones I want to play anyway.

i just want a new October Tide album. Or a new Diabolical Masquerade album.

this is cool info too about the Diabolical Masquerade albums:

ENTIRE BACK CATALOGUE TO BE RE-ISSUED

Peaceville records has bought the rights to the back catalogue previously released under Avantgarde and Adipocere records and will re-master and re-issue each title in the near future. Up first on November 6 is Nightwork with bonus track called Cryztalline Fiendz (previously only available on the Nightwork LP version, ltd to 500 copies) now entirely remixed and orchestrated. The digipak will also feature liner notes + different photos.

~BlaKKheim

though i think i'm only missing the first one.

any katatonia fans who have never heard the october tide albums need to beg borrow or steal copies:

http://www.myspace.com/octobertideband

(i like them just as much as prime katatonia)

yeah, they're pretty mega - scott is correct. check it out

wondering what opeth's next one is going to sound like (yes, i still care)

Just watched Lamentations. I think it's probably better (for me, anyway) to approach Opeth as if they are a prog band rather than a metal band.

This means, of course, approaching them in a cape.

Right, that does it. I only have 4 of their albums, my bro has the rest. *gets copying*

the first four albums are definitely classic, especially Orchid, Morningrise, and STill Life (I really like My Arms Your Hearse too)

I was bored by Blackwater Park and haven't heard the rest.

I have seen Opeth 5 times. I am Agalloch's booking agent. I have never heard Katatonia. Where the hell do I start?

OK now I have all the Opeth albums, but no real inclination to listen to them. I think Siegbran has a point when he says that they don't really stretch themselves towards dissonance or unusual sounds. It's generally either heavy-ish melodic metal or folkiness, with little in between. Their very best songs make this not matter, but there's no way I can love this stuff as much as the majority of new-era black metal I've heard so far.

"The Baying Of The Hounds", "The Moor" or "The Drapery Falls" are as good a place to start as any. Their best folky section IMO is the bit between about 2 and 5 minutes in "Blackwater Park". That bit actually chills me slightly.

"Their very best songs make this not matter, but there's no way I can love this stuff as much as the majority of new-era black metal I've heard so far."

Why compare it to this (not that you have with this sentence, but it sounds like you have compared them or are associating the two in some way)?

"...they don't really stretch themselves towards dissonance or unusual sounds"

Unusual sounds? I agree. Dissonance? They use dissonance all the time!

Dissonance is perhaps too general. I'm talking about what many would term 'noise', clashing genuinely obtuse amelodic sounds in order to disorientate and challenge the listener. Too much of Opeth is, I believe, comfortable in its tried-and-trusted melodicism. The dude's cookie-monster vocals don't count!

My comparison is perhaps a fallacy, based on my relatively recent pledge to 'get into metal'. I've known about Opeth a lot longer than I've known about all this wonderful stuff I've only recently found out about, and it's natural to compare the two. As you say, treating Opeth as a prog band may bear more fruit, and may prevent me from abandoning them entirely.

Certainly clean production is a key ingredient in Opeth's studio work. It was the first hurdle I had to get over before beginning to love them.

But I agree that there's plenty of dissonance in say the title track on Deliverance.

Just understand that they were a studio band for years and years, almost never playing live at all until Blackwater Park. And as for the noise... they are really technically advanced players. They don't want to be Darkthrone.

These guys are by far the best at what they do.

My only gripes about Opeth are:

1) The production on the first 3 albums is sub-par
2) The first song on Ghost Reveries has a Tool-ish riff
3) Their incredible drummer has left the building

Otherwise, I love love love Opeth.

"I have never heard Katatonia. Where the hell do I start?"

brave murder day. then discouraged ones. then continue forward if you like that stuff.

Even Though Katatonia Are One Of My Very Favorite Rock & Roll Bands I Do Have A Complaint

Hmm. Well my comments on this thread amount to a battle within myself, really. I want to have absorbed and appreciated their entire output, but I'm not sure whether I can motivate myself to go through the process. Some of what I've heard demonstrates inspired songwriting and breathtaking musicianship, but equally a lot merges into an indistinct soup of Nordic handwringing. If you could suggest a couple of songs from each album to concentrate upon, I'd be grateful!

"Bleak Harvest", "Windowpane", "Deliverance", "Baying of the Hounds" are a few of my favorite tracks from the last 4 albums respectively.

Haha, "Baying of the Hounds" is my favourite Opeth song full stop (at this point)!

i think this is my favorite metal album:

http://static.metal-archives.com/images/4/7/4/474.jpg

just sayin' (although the dude from opeth does guest on it).

A friend of mine criticized Lamentations for not containing enough chaos (haw), but, as I said before, I think this is an innapropriate way to approach a band that is essentially a prog band anymore (ok, there are the occasional deathy vox, but what else, especially anymore?). I appreciate Lamentations as a musical performance, not in the same way that I would appreciate, say, Bad Brains Live at CBGB's (as a show). It seems like a common criticism (from metal fans) of Opeth is exactly that: not enough chaos (dissonance, heaviness, etc). This isn't really a criticism in itself, though. It's just about frustrated expectations.

*inappropriate, ugh

Frustrated expectations, yes, but I can't help listening to this stuff and sometimes really wishing they'd throw in a really awesome techno breakdown or noisescape or whatever, just to heighten the sense of progression, to give the ear more things to play off one another.

See, I can't imagine any of that in Opeth's music. There is a lot of stuff going on in there as it is!

other albums i liked in high school:

http://www.icedearth.com/discography/c_burntofferings_400.jpg

opeth are playing the ryman? that fuckin rules

They're hitting so many classic venues on this tour.

Another good one, includes embarrassing drunk Steve Wilson story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjV8JYcbtFw

I love his honesty and shamelessness. Such a soft-spoken dork, he seems like he's the best.

Blackwater Park remains tough to find at a good price.

20th anniversary this year, perhaps a reissue is imminent.

It really went out of print?!

Nah, it seems like it is still in print; Music For Nations is under Sony/BMG now.

but I can't help listening to this stuff and sometimes really wishing they'd throw in a really awesome techno breakdown

The other day I went out to rake the leaves, and I felt like listening to Opeth, but not their early growly stuff or their more recent stuff, something in the mid-catalog Steven Wilson sweet spot. My instincts told me "Damnation," but for the life of me I couldn't remember where it fell on the Opeth spectrum (getting old). So I took a gamble, and yep, jazz/folk/prog/Radiohead Opeth hit the spot.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR8i5gLpKen0tDfc2JwGHn6J2fuB5Mxl1kDcg&s

New album imminent, due out October 11th, The Last Will and Testament.

Apparently translated from a French site:

"The Last Will and Testament" is a concept album, a restless musical journey that somehow reflects the band's relationship with music as a consumer. There are familiar ingredients here, as most of the band's music comes from the same source, so it will naturally sound like 'Opeth'. Instead of the usual instant rush, expect to find yourself preferring the 'strange' to the 'obvious', sonically speaking.

Not sure why that' so small, better cover images out there. Shades of The Shining.

North American tour dates in October, ending with a Halloween show in San Francisco.

https://opeth.com/tour-dates

And this new band photo is hilarious:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GT1n2HPXsAAwtHf.jpg

Ah damn, that's the same night as Minami Deutsch out here! Another time, maybe.

Anyway I'm glad to see they've been cast in Peaky Blinders: The Stockholm Connection

There's a little "Request a Concert" widget on their tour dates page; I should click the button and say "Come to Kalispell, Montana!" just to see what happens.

And now there's a new song, with death metal vocals!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrIelXirY

I love it, but of course I do.

Mikael's death vox sound incredible, but the arrangement is fascinating. Bridges death metal and Opeth's recent progressive rock era in a way they haven't done before. I've never used this word in 22 years of reviews, but it kind of applies here: it's fancy.

This song sound fucking incredible. The drums are really good too! I've never been one of those "Opeth sucked once they stopped growling" and I'll long defend the more recent prog albums, but I am really stoked to hear more of a Watershed vibe back again.

I'm excited for this. I feel like the leaned to hard into the cleaner prog side of things, but it's the mixture of prog and metal that really works for them.

*they leaned too hard, ugh

I thought Watershed thru to Sorceress were mediocre. But loved In Cauda... Looking forward to this.

listening to Blackwater tonight and I literally have no idea how the fuck I disliked this album.

going to go out on a limb and just say I was Opethed out at the time, cos this is them doing what they do best and adding some new wrinkles.

that's really the only one of those I've gone through any real reappraisal of, since I more or less liked the four before it instantly and the remainder varies, though I really liked the one from 2022.

The Storm Corrosion album (Mikael Åkerfeldt and Steven Wilson's one-off prog collaboration, which came out on Roadrunner while I worked there) is being reissued through Kscope with a live bonus track — apparently Mikael showed up at a Wilson solo show and they played one song from the album.

https://kscopemusic.com/artists/storm-corrosion/

Anyone know what’s up with the release date for this? A bunch of places, including Amazon, have now changed to a November 22nd release date instead of October 11th. Not sure if this is just physical versions or the whole release.

The band's website is still listing the October 11 date. I ordered it from the label webstore and they still have that date, too.

Ugh, officially delayed across the board. Per the band's social media accounts this morning:

"We regret to inform you that the release date for our album has been postponed to November 22 due to unforeseen delays in the manufacturing process.

We strive to deliver the highest quality product possible, and to achieve that, we need a bit more time to ensure the final release meets our standards.

We understand that this may come as a disappointment, but we sincerely appreciate your patience and continued support. We cant' wait to share this new music with you... and we are confident it will be worth the wait."

I want to know why they didn't play Chicago. Though I suppose with the release date delay they'll tour again to properly support it soon enough.

they killed in NOLA. a treat finally getting to see them

Yeah I couldn't swing Milwaukee and was really disappointed they didn't hit Chicago. Definitely hoping they come back through in 2025.

They only time I've seen them was on the Heritage Hunter tour with Mastodon and Ghost (I mean, don't get me wrong, absolutely stacked lineup, but I'd love to see Opeth as a headliner).

I've been fortunate enough to see them a few times, the first time back in ... 2004?! I've seen them here and there since then, perhaps most notably as the last major show I saw before covid landed. I remember being with my friend in a Chinese restaurant (Sun Wah in uptown) before the Riv show, wondering if we were morons for being out and about. This was Valentine's Day 2020.

I saw them for the first time in 2003, and then again in 2011 and 2014(?) and I feel like maybe one more time after that. Definitely saw them more in their prog era than in their metal era.

Happy New Opeth Album Day, for all those that celebrate.

It's really good. The concept-album factor doesn't really weigh in for me; I'm not paying any attention to the lyrics. But musically it's very much in Blackwater Park/Deliverance/Ghost Reveries/Watershed territory more than "prog Opeth" territory, heavier than they've been in a while.

Has Opeth even come close to releasing a bad album? Heck of a run from these guys. 14 at minimum worthwhile but mostly great albums in 30 years?

There's some I like a lot more than others — Heritage and Sorceress are definitely the ones I play the least — but no, nothing they've done is flat-out bad.

I kind of think the new one actually falls on the proggier side of things, relatively speaking. Not in the '70s prog sense (a la "Sorceress") but kind of ... '90s prog? Definitely weird and all over the place.

They've never released a bad album, but the production on Sorceress is puzzling. The new one, though, is a new high water mark. Firing on all cylinders, immaculately balancing the aggression of Watershed/Ghost Reveries with the band's newfound progrock proficiency. And the lyrics are terrific, it unfolds the drama in a very fun way.

This is good isnt it? I saw them live a couple of years ago and I was bored, but this is great stuff

I'm beginning to digest this. It's good. I really liked In Cauda... after (IMO) a few poor albums. Hoping they're on a good streak.

Right now I'd rank the new one behind Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries, and Damnation. It's that great.

i watched this the other night. sounds great. fan-chosen set-list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P70fTwHYBtA

This might be the only concept album ever that I've bothered trying to decipher. It's actually pretty straightforward, maybe too much so, given the overwrought (in the best metal sense) drama of the album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnDe1RnNNn8

"How long is this song, I can't even remember how it started!"

so many of those Drumeo videos are really great to watch; the one where the current Mars Volta drummer does Rush is excellent

Playing here on my birthday in February, stoked

Still stoked!

I've never heard of this band in my life, but a friend's teenage kid put them on during a BBQ - he took over the Alexa to put his gloomy playlist on! - and I thought they sounded great. I think the track was "To Rid the Disease" - I've been exploring the back catalog since then. They sort of remind me of Porcupine Tree. But I don't know much about modern prog.