I hate Sleater-Kinney.

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There, I said it.

― Ess Kay (esskay), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 09:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, even the Heavens To Betsy cover of "Oh Bondage! Up Yours" wasn't that good.

― Ess Kay (esskay), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 09:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm kinda glad someone does, it's boring when EVERYONE likes something... I forgive you anyway.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 10:36 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah yr allowed to hate it! the obnoxious people go OMG YOU JUST SAID YOU HATED THE LOVE OF MY LIFE! everyone has different interests anyway.

― rebekah, Wednesday, 9 October 2002 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Fair enough! Oh but that Oh Bondage Up Yours isn't by Heavens to Betsy, it's by Free Kitten. It got mislabelled back when Napster was around and yeah it seems it still is. Unless h2b covered it as well, but I don't think they did.

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I love Sleater-Kinney, but I think lots of my fellow Sleater-Kinney fans are annoying - I guess because of all the hype.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

i hate hype.

― petra jane (petra jane), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

i also hate boat shoes and too-short beige slacks.

― petra jane (petra jane), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

hey ess-kay what stuff of theirs have you heard? recent or earlier?

― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 22:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Eww! Boat shoes!

― Livvie, Thursday, 10 October 2002 07:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes. I don't think they're redeemable.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 10 October 2002 10:26 (twenty-three years ago)

the way some male music writers write about them makes me uncomfortable. even if they didn't always have to bring up how attractive they are, i generally just feel like they don't understand and never will. or maybe its just cos, when s-k are great its impossible to put it into words. boy does that sound rabid. sorry. i don't like everything that s-k do. and they've done some really shallow interviews.

― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 10 October 2002 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

ess-kay the must-listen albums of theirs are call the doctor and the hot rock. their other albums are pretty mediocre and if you'd only heard them it would be easy to get the impression s-k were over-rated. (but i have not heard one beat so that is not included). anyho i take it you won't be coming to the gig in december :-(, but please do come to our faps, my little newborn lamboy!

― di smith (lucylurex), Friday, 11 October 2002 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

even if those albums were like incredibly wondrously wonderful I would consider S-K overrated; almost everyone I've encountered this year seems to be fanatic over them. Which really puts me off them but I didn't need much putting off.

― spectra elizabeth anne marjorie, Friday, 11 October 2002 02:12 (twenty-three years ago)

well liz i think everyone is already familiar with yr "stance" on riot grrrl, but disliking something just because lots of people like it is kinda lame.

― di smith (lucylurex), Friday, 11 October 2002 02:33 (twenty-three years ago)

lame meaning reactionary. (haha this is a bit rich coming from me, i am one of the lamest reactionaries!)

― di smith (lucylurex), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:09 (twenty-three years ago)

have i mentioned in the past 2.5 seconds that i hate hype?

All i've ever seen published about S-K has been in the vein "They're militant, but they're hott!" or "Hey, they're girls but they can actually play their instruments". The fact that SK are girls and have girl voices and sometimes sing about Girl Issue-y things very much colours their media and public perception, and as such puts people off. I must admit i'm not fond of most Riot Grrl, the music just doesn't appeal to me. S-K's two-guitar dynamic in itself is much closer to the postpunk 'angular nerd boy' domain of Wire or Television, though, than those yelping two-chord wonders.

― petra jane (petra jane), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:41 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, Free Kitten! that explains the outrageously overdone accents!

& di - yeah that thread was ick. The tracks I've heard were from Call The Doctor, & it might just be my recent moods but I had to force myself to listen through their tracks - all bloozy & this punkoid whatever & signifying RAWK in 60ft tall letters, & it really puts me off on a visceral level (haha I've been listening to house, electroclash, disco & so on lately). I've been listening to tracks from Huggy Bear at the same time, who merely don't do anything for me (& I've been re-listening to X-Ray Spex, who I love).

I was really, really trying to like them/give them a chance because everyone does seem quite fanatical about them, plus the Auckland show; & it's like running into a brick wall again & again & again. Resentment ho!
also this is written at 5:11am so coherence goes out the window.

― Ess Kay (esskay), Friday, 11 October 2002 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll put something on the tape I will eventually make you that you'll probably like better then the Call the Doctor stuff, well I hope! Otherwise who cares, electroclash is good. Do you just have those two Ladytron songs?

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Friday, 11 October 2002 22:40 (twenty-three years ago)

s-k and ess-kay FITE!!

― unknown or illegal user (doorag), Thursday, 17 October 2002 05:48 (twenty-three years ago)

i said that, not duane.

― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 17 October 2002 05:49 (twenty-three years ago)

well liz i think everyone is already familiar with yr "stance" on riot grrrl, but disliking something just because lots of people like it is kinda lame.

that's not why I don't like them, I mean, I like say um Kraftwerk which seem to be widely regarded as really good. I don't start dissing on them just 'cause lots of autechre-loving techno ravoids cite them. (I should've been able to think of a better example). and how come you put stance in quotes...

― spectra, Sunday, 20 October 2002 05:51 (twenty-three years ago)

woo-hah! techno ravoids sound like KILLA ROBOTZ.

(& re : s-k - non-ILx people are telling me to see them live regardless, because they're a lot better live than on record etc etc. however i am scared of (a) their PURE RAWK FURY & (b) i can imagine two types of v.v. scary fan being present at the show (haha & a third type of fan, but irksome instead of scary)

― Ess Kay (esskay), Sunday, 20 October 2002 09:42 (twenty-three years ago)

)

― Ess Kay (esskay), Sunday, 20 October 2002 09:44 (twenty-three years ago)

i can imagine two types of v.v. scary fan being present at the show

but ess-kay i won't hurt you!

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 20 October 2002 10:11 (twenty-three years ago)

i think they miss laura, actually. HTB were way better much of the time.

― threemetalinsects (threemetalinsects), Sunday, 20 October 2002 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

and how come you put stance in quotes...

see yr own response on this thread: it's patronising, isn't it? but that was the "point", right?

― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 20 October 2002 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

SEE THEM LIVE

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 8 December 2002 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

YES DO

― Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Sunday, 8 December 2002 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...

Or just listen to "The Hot Rock" which is SO one of my favourite albums ever, and actually YEAH albums rule for this reason; 9-16 or so great songs in a row beat the SHIT out of ONE great song on a single. I need to practise my guitar posing, or my chords at least

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 14:45 (twenty-three years ago)

they're still my favourite band ever. i enjoy one beat more than i ever wanted to.

― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 1 May 2003 03:07 (twenty-three years ago)

andrew this is why mix cds are better than single artist albums! continuity & diversity (been listening to Immer & A History Of Our World lots). only been listening to singles today, anyway - "Cry Me A River", "Danger! High Voltage (Soulchild 12" Booty mix)", "Dancehall Girl (Jagwah remix)", "Two Months Off" & "Always On My Mind" (last two tracks have cowbells!).

I told my u2-loving flatmate to listen to the Sleater-Kinney track on this free cd she got with Rolling Stone (which she bought because it had a Bright Eyes track on it! I also "endorsed" Spoon & the Yeah Yeah Yeahs despite not having heard them).

have they made any tracks with disco guitar?

― Ess Kay (esskay), Friday, 2 May 2003 00:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Not really, usually the rhythm guitar's playing too low for that.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 2 May 2003 02:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Corin does get closish at times, but it's no goal of theirs. Y'know who DOES play fantastic disco guitar? Lou Reed!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 2 May 2003 04:35 (twenty-three years ago)

And Edwyn Collins!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 2 May 2003 04:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Nile Rodgers is good too

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 2 May 2003 04:40 (twenty-three years ago)

playing too low = too low on the fretboard?
& the Edge! (haha, stop talking about guitarists! give me product not process!)

― Ess Kay (esskay), Friday, 2 May 2003 05:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Nah low notes. As in um, bass notes I guess... Live 1969, You Can't hide yr Love Forever, C'est Chic

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 2 May 2003 06:21 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...

this sorta-hardcore band covered "oh!" @ ladyfest & I quite liked it; d/l-ed the original which I'm liking more the more I hear it, but it's still a bit too rock (all those guitars! + there's something . . . not quite right . . . re : the voice of whomever is singing it - I think I preferred the vocals of the sorta-hardcore band's singer) for me. so, um, what are some other relatively poptastic tracks by them?

(ps : andrew I lied about liking a cat power song, though)

― etc, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i think you should give "all hands on the bad one" (the album) a listen ess-kay. its poplicious but perhaps still too "rock"...i dunno.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"Led Zeppelin 3"

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

which singer did you hate, ess-kay? carrie sings the verses on "oh!" and corin sings the chorus. if carrie's vocals affectations are a bit annoying for you, i can relate.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

carrie's affectations? i didn't realise she had them, i just thought she had a weakish voice

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

its that weird accent she does on about half of "one beat". you didn't notice? i love corin's camp shit all over "milkshake and honey" and "prisstina"!

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i guess to a degree. i don't find either of their voices ever annoying

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:12 (twenty-two years ago)

wow ess kay you don't like rock?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think that level of sarcasm was really called for JD

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah I do actually

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 4 December 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

four weeks pass...

of course i don't like rock.

anyway, the continuing saga of sk vs s-k :
was driving back in passenger seat of the van last night, really fucking stoned & slightly drunk + sunburned; & m1key chucked on this mixtape k4ne had made. there was this one track which sounded like sonic youth crossed w/cibo matto, & i asked mikey what it was, & obv. it was free kitten (haha!). next track was this really rocky, really trying-to-sound-anthemic (er that isn't meant to sound insulting), w/weird vox, & i was wondering what it was, & then i was wait-a-minute, & listened closely, & AHA no bass! the chorus went "dig muhy aaahhht" - they've got an album called dig me out, right? anyway, it sounded pretty good stoned, tho not as good as the free kitten.

― etc, Thursday, 1 January 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, they have. it doesn't try to be anthemic, it IS anthemic. i really miss my copy of the hot rock. i even dreamed about it.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

where is your copy? i couldn't imagine not taking my favourite albums with me everywhere.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i lent it to rainy.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

ps happy new year jim!!!!!!!

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

happy new year di :)

2004 is gonna rock!

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm in total agreement. i'm envious that you got to spend new years with your honey.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

it's pretty damn fantastic i have to say. i really really hope it happens sooner rather than later for you!

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

BABY, BABY

― Tumbling Dice (Andrew Thames), Friday, 2 January 2004 05:50 (twenty-two years ago)

you got to roll me?

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 2 January 2004 06:16 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks for answering my question SK, now i can sleep at night again

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 2 January 2004 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I imagine yr sarcasm was prompted by wondering why someone who doesn't like rock music would attempt to get into a rock band, right? I'm a bit puzzled too, anyway

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 2 January 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

OK so andrew & elisabeth, suggest me 80 minutes or so of sleater-kinney stuff to d/l, either poppy "oh!" sort've stuff or thee big anthems &c that they'll play at the show. t33nwolf support, woo-ha.
i'm still vaguely scared at just how much of a consensus thing this is, I mean EVERYONE is going. haha did you see how the BDO 06 guide said there were FOUR of them? maybe that's why jim o'rourke left SY, ha.

― etc, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

everyone ISN'T going. i'm not, cos i didn't like the woods.

― di, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

as in the woods made you question why you liked s-k at all & has ruined the back catalogue/them live, or is just the new songs (as opposed to the way they were recorded), or . . .? sort've curious, I've had a lot of people saying "I don't really like them on record, but they're amazing live", &c&c&c.

― etc, Thursday, 22 December 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

OK, here's some setlists from a few months ago:

Cannery Ballroom - Nashville, TN

The Fox
Wilderness
Not What You Want
Combat Rock
Rollercoaster
Modern Girl
Step Aside
Everything
What's Mine Is Yours
Steep Air
Jumpers
Let's Call It Love
Night Light
Entertain
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Get Up
Oh!
Words + Guitar

High Dive - Champaign, IL

Start Together
Wilderness
Jumpers
Rollercoaster
One Beat
The Fox
AHOTBO
What's Mine is Yours
Modern Girl
Burn Don't Freeze
Let's Call It Love
Entertain
Light Rail Coyote
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The Drama You've Been Craving
Turn It On

what was the last band I didn't like that came to Ak & social &c meant I had to attend their gigs & I attempted to memorise their songs inna homework fashion to enhance thee live experience - Moving Units?

― etc, Friday, 23 December 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

yeah i think that most of the new songs are boring in musical and lyrical content. all the production gimmicks in the world can't save them. it is not worth me going up to see their gig because i only like three songs on the album. and i don't have the pressing social circumstances that you do.

― di, Saturday, 24 December 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

but you know, its cool, i'm not everyone, i'm not even anyone.

― di, Saturday, 24 December 2005 06:16 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

ran into st3lla before work today - tix have sold out, & on the day I got paid. AND I've got "i wanna be yr thurston moore" stuck in my head.
"step aside" good but better in yr head, as was "dig me out". "ironclad" & "little babies" are growers, I think. stuff from the woods a bit too sludge-ly for me.

so uh have a good time, guys! turn up in time to see t33nw0lf &c.

― etc, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:20 (twenty years ago)

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 23 January 2006 08:01 (twenty years ago)

hey andrew you ever on AIM anymore?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:02 (twenty years ago)

Haven't been in months, I took myself off the internet for a while cos I was getting a bit mentally angry every time I looked at it, but I think I'm Ok now. I might be! On sometime, I mean.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 03:44 (twenty years ago)

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