Your personal aesthetic

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One of the great things about being a cinephile is that you can make a valid case for any film, no matter how hated it may be in general; cinematic greatness is completely subjective.

So, based on your own personal theory and philosophy, what defines a great movie?

Anthony (Anthony F), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Personally, I’m not that interested in much of the cinema that dominates the arthouse scene these days. I find that most “art films” are completely hollow, it is their exceptional craft that gives the appearance that you are watching something deep and profound. I don’t encounter many filmmakers who are more committed to their stories and ideas than they are to their director-as-superstar egos (“Talented satirists are few and far between, but film schools are full of white boys eager to tell the rest of us what it means to be human.”- Noah Berlastsky, The Chicago Reader). I like films with a little more bite, films that go straight for the jugular. I like it when a film doesn’t go down easy. I find it to be a much more valuable experience. The very existence of our world is threatened everyday by pollution and potential nuclear war. I’m not interested in sitting around and contemplating. I want to see something that shakes me to my core, and has me looking at the world in a different light. On that note, it seems to me that, unfortunately, most alternative cinema exists only for groups of white men to sit around afterwards discussing over cappuccino; I’d rather see a movie that makes you want to go outside and smash something with a baseball bat, then build something pretty in its place.

I am a huge music fan, and this has much influence on the way I watch movies. Throughout the first century of cinema, the roots of the movies could be traced directly back to literature and theater. However, I think the best art form to base the creation of a film on would be music. You don’t need brains to appreciate good music, just a soul. I like films that give us a direct emotional experience, the way music does. Also, if you were to examine most films in the way they relate to music, I think you’d find that most alternative cinema would be derived from classical music. This beautiful, without a doubt, but there are different types of beauty, and I am interested in films that defy standard construction and move to the rhythms of jazz and rock & roll (I’m thinking Sergio Leone, John Cassavetes, the French New Wave, Seijun Suzuki, Jem Cohen).

Anyway, that’s me, watching movies.

Anthony (Anthony F), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

pollution has made you loath to thinking? bush's designs are more sinister than i imagined.

i agree with some of what you say, but for me a film that "shakes me to my core, and has me looking at the world in a different light" is only enriched by contemplation, conversation, and debate. great films don't end when the lights go up.

noah berlatsky's kill bill review was baffling to me - perhaps i misread it but it seemed to me that the white boy/film school digs were red herrings - last time i checked the cinema wasn't saturated with filmmakers probing what it means to be human (even within the limited parameters that white boy/film school implies). and he's right that it's not saturated with talented satirists either. everybody's busier trying to be tarantino.

a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Tarantino is a good example of the crochets in my aesthetic. I like "Pulp Fiction" but love "Jackie Brown." "JB" just has more heart, I think, and the film references, and the music, actually deepen the story of Jackie rather than embellish it. Of course "Pulp" is all about the triumph of a certain, up until that moment, derided sensibility; I think my aesthetic would also require a film to validate a sensibility that had been neglected (at least in the current era).

My aesthetic for film is pretty similar to mine for novels; it's the tolerance for ambiguity that I find appealing. All the guns that hang on the wall DON'T go off in the third act. I guess there are great films that just slam home a pretty unambiguous message--the very early sound pic "I am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang" certainly does that. But since I agree with the message of "Fugitive," and can't see how anyone with a heart would disagree with it, I suppose I have to make a case for the universalizing of experience that great films can communicate.

Seems to me that film can do satire better than novels, these days--I'm thinking of "Election," for example. And film can do allegory better too, I suppose you can call "Groundhog Day," and the first "Matrix" film, allegorical?

I like films noir an awful lot, they give you the funky old world, thrills, and a moral lesson all in one, and the morality is successfully submerged in the details much the same way as it is in novels like "Lolita."

So I guess great films, in my opinion, don't hit you over the head with their moral lessons, but they're there. As in Lang's "Scarlet Street," often cited as "too cold." Hard to deny that Joan Bennett is mighty tempting, and equally hard to deny that a sensible, observant person (and isn't art supposed to help us be more observant, curious, critical?) would never succumb to the temptation in the first place? Great movies give you the option to succumb.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

"i agree with some of what you say, but for me a film that "shakes me to my core, and has me looking at the world in a different light" is only enriched by contemplation, conversation, and debate. great films don't end when the lights go up."

very well put, spectator bird; i agree completely. i think if people took more time to think deeply and contemplate on things (especially art) we wouldn't have some of the social & political issues that we have now, which are basically cause by a passive public who doesn't care enough to vote or look deeply at the issues ahead of time if they do vote. i'm certainly not the first person to express this view, but I think there's an enormous correlation between passive, escapist entertainment & passive, escapist people.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Saturday, 29 May 2004 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

four weeks pass...
“Talented satirists are few and far between, but film schools are full of white boys eager to tell the rest of us what it means to be human.”- Noah Berlastsky, The Chicago Reader

ouch!!!!!!

Vic (Vic), Sunday, 27 June 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

that is going to be my signature quote from now on

Vic (Vic), Monday, 28 June 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)


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