― Anthony (Anthony F), Saturday, 22 January 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 22 January 2005 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony (Anthony F), Saturday, 22 January 2005 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)
Pauline Kael fanously wrote in her "Raising Kane" essay that it was "a SHALLOW masterpiece."
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 January 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Saturday, 22 January 2005 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)
Why is that? This betrays an ignorance of Welles. More than being a fictionalized portrait of William Randolph Hearst, "Kane" also deconstructs the Welles persona – an actor with magnificent authority, a genius, but also a blowhard and self-destructive – with more acuity and daring than any of the wine commercials he filmed in the '70s and '80s.
"Citizen Kane" might be overrated – hell, just about everything is overrated – but it's a fantastically entertaining movie. Energy, brashness, confidence, great performances -- everything, in short, we expect from a mastepiece, even a shallow one. I can't imagine anyone who doesn't love film not acknowledging this.
Read David Thomson's "Rosebud" or Pauline Kael's "Raising Kane," two of the best book length studies on Welles.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)
All this really proves to me is that Welles was a self-indulgent, self-obsessed egomaniac. "Citizen Kane" doesn't appeal to me beyond is cinematographic accomplishments mainly because it set the tone for future grandiose "one-man epics" that just became more and more shallow.
Performances and sets, for the most part, were good. But that's not enough to carry a film for me, especially a so-called "masterpiece".
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)
So we're back to The Aviator?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)
well, it's gotta happen every once in awhile.... :)
The "c'mon, it's a masterpiece" think could easily lead into a "film rockism" debate, but god knows I won't be the one to drag it to those levels. I just look at it as an achievement, with as many negatives as positive. The film did some great things for cinema, but it's success also limited it a great deal by becoming the formula or foundation for all dramatic narrative cinema to come after it.
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)
Welles himself acknowledged 'Rosebud' was a cheap gimmick, but the design, script, music etc are all great.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)