Why is Citizen Kane so revered by EVERYONE?

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Not that I don't love it as much as the next guy. It just amazes me that I've never encountered any sort of backlash against it from any respectable group of film buffs. I know it's now widely agreed that Kane isn't the greatest film of all time (nor is it even Welles' best), but is there anyone who doesn't think this film is a masterpiece? For an American film to consistently top international polls of the greatest films of all time just boggles my mind.

Anthony (Anthony F), Saturday, 22 January 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

why does it boggle your mind that an American film would top international polls? seems pretty much inevitable to me...

ryan (ryan), Saturday, 22 January 2005 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

But everyone hates America. Even most Americans.

Anthony (Anthony F), Saturday, 22 January 2005 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I know a number of under-30s who consider it "boring."

Pauline Kael fanously wrote in her "Raising Kane" essay that it was "a SHALLOW masterpiece."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 January 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always considered it more of a masterpiece for Gregg Toland than for Welles.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Saturday, 22 January 2005 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"I've always considered it more of a masterpiece for Gregg Toland than for Welles"

Why is that? This betrays an ignorance of Welles. More than being a fictionalized portrait of William Randolph Hearst, "Kane" also deconstructs the Welles persona – an actor with magnificent authority, a genius, but also a blowhard and self-destructive – with more acuity and daring than any of the wine commercials he filmed in the '70s and '80s.

"Citizen Kane" might be overrated – hell, just about everything is overrated – but it's a fantastically entertaining movie. Energy, brashness, confidence, great performances -- everything, in short, we expect from a mastepiece, even a shallow one. I can't imagine anyone who doesn't love film not acknowledging this.

Read David Thomson's "Rosebud" or Pauline Kael's "Raising Kane," two of the best book length studies on Welles.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

More than being a fictionalized portrait of William Randolph Hearst, "Kane" also deconstructs the Welles persona – an actor with magnificent authority, a genius, but also a blowhard and self-destructive

All this really proves to me is that Welles was a self-indulgent, self-obsessed egomaniac. "Citizen Kane" doesn't appeal to me beyond is cinematographic accomplishments mainly because it set the tone for future grandiose "one-man epics" that just became more and more shallow.

Performances and sets, for the most part, were good. But that's not enough to carry a film for me, especially a so-called "masterpiece".

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, making a movie that deconstructs your persona seems like a bad thing.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not here, chris

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

This whole thread appears to be swimming in an odd half-sarcasm-cum-backhanded-compliment vibe.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

>it set the tone for future grandiose "one-man epics" that just became more and more shallow.

So we're back to The Aviator?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

yes! (just kidding--haven't seen "the aviator" yet)

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm agreeing with you this time, Jay.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I now like other Welles as much -- Othello and Lady from Shanghai -- but c'mon, it's a fuckin' masterpiece.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm agreeing with you this time, Jay.

well, it's gotta happen every once in awhile.... :)

The "c'mon, it's a masterpiece" think could easily lead into a "film rockism" debate, but god knows I won't be the one to drag it to those levels. I just look at it as an achievement, with as many negatives as positive. The film did some great things for cinema, but it's success also limited it a great deal by becoming the formula or foundation for all dramatic narrative cinema to come after it.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, that's like blaming Led Zeppelin for their shitty imitators. (tho I dislike LZ in isolation)

Welles himself acknowledged 'Rosebud' was a cheap gimmick, but the design, script, music etc are all great.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Exactly what "one-man epics" are you referring to? Like, "Dances with Wolves"?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)


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