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I'm starting this thread in honor of Hee-Seop Choi, claimed by the Red Sox today.

― maura (maura), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

JT Snow + Hee Seop = ???

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:31 (twenty years ago)

10 and 20 HR, respectively

― Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:47 (twenty years ago)

hee-seop should be able to take the job from snow. i hope he hits 50. godspeed, young hee-seop.

― dan (dan), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:51 (twenty years ago)

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/heeseopchoi2.jpg

― dan (dan), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:54 (twenty years ago)

Actually, the Sox are thinking about Hee Seop/Snow/Youkilis for a 3-man 1B platoon... yikes.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:57 (twenty years ago)

...

― Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:58 (twenty years ago)

think: chemistry, dude...

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 24 March 2006 23:04 (twenty years ago)

So crazy it just might work.

― or not (miloaukerman), Friday, 24 March 2006 23:06 (twenty years ago)

FUCK YES

YES FUCK

JT GO HOME

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 25 March 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

Why are people so excited about this? I mean, he's better than JT Snow but he's not a particularly good player. He's better than a lot of guys with steady jobs, but why get excited about him? I mean, he probably isn't even as good as Roberto Petagine, who never even got a chance.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 25 March 2006 08:40 (twenty years ago)

when he platooned with saenz they put up a pretty decent ops/hr combo. in the middle of nl 1Bs but still pretty decent. Im surprised the dodgers just gave him up on waivers instead of trading him to boston.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

My favorite Hee Seop fantasy line, from when I owned him briefly a few years back: 0-0, 4 BB, 3 R

― mattbot (mattbot), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

His OBP jumped 19 points that game, making him a .239/.379/.540 oddity at the plate.

― mattbot (mattbot), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Another fun fact about that game: the opposing pitcher was Brandon Webb, a guy with a lifetime 2:1 k/bb ratio. Webb issued 5 walks that game, 4 to Choi.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

The Prospectus guys at thir NJ appearance couldn't figure how all those other teams passed on claiming Choi. Someone (Nate Silver, I think) suggested there's an element of reserved Asian players being perceived as "not passionate."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

I don't doubt that's why Kent got in his grill last year. & why Tracy pined (for) him.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/31/118971621_ed72751d3c_o.jpg

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Julian Tavarez again going nuts. WTF is wrong with that guy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:49 (twenty years ago)

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/ap/franflck10503272219.hmedium.jpg

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:55 (twenty years ago)

In Boston’s 12-11 win, which ended when Hee-Seop Choi walked with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth, Gathright raced home while Julio Lugo was caught in a rundown between first and second in the eighth. Second baseman Zach Borowiak threw to Tavarez, who tagged Gathright out as the outfielder slid.
Gathright said Tavarez stood on his right forearm after the tag. Tavarez agreed but said he wanted to beat Gathright to the punch.
“I saw him try to get up and I wasn’t going to let him throw a punch at me right away,” said Tavarez, who threw a second punch on the top of Gathright’s head. “You hear about whoever throws the first punch gets the win. That’s what happened.”
In the Devil Rays clubhouse, Gathright rolled up his right sleeve to show a small scratch on his right forearm. He said he had pushed Tavarez’s left knee to try to free his arm. But Tavarez drew his fist back with Gathright’s right knee and hand still on the ground.

“It just kind of grazed the jaw,” Gathright said.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

What a jerk-off. I hope he gets suspended for a good long time (and I wouldn't be sorry to see it be permanent.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 00:00 (twenty years ago)

"You hear about whoever throws the first punch gets the win."
Dude's been around long enough that he should really understand how scoring works.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 00:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh yay. CHB probably has about 295 nicknames lined up for JT right now. I'm gonna blame Lucchino for this one. Tho if they can just sedate JT between games, & keep him locked up Hannibal-Lecter style when he's not being used, maybe it'll work out.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Surprising that fistfirst Tavares is the same dude who was crying in the dugout near the end of Game 6 of the '95 World Series. Mantears, maybe, but still, tears.

― chocolate kuegelhopf (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Serotonin's a helluva drug, etc.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

mlb.com:

"Yeah, it just kind of glazed," Gathright said. "He hits like a woman."

...

Said Tavarez: "They were yelling at me, 'Let's meet one on one in the parking lot. I don't want to have a fight, man. What happened happened and it's over and I don't want to fight nobody."

― mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

glazed?

poor kid.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

looks like manny's peculiarities may get trumped by tavarez's peculiarities. and i think signing (t)hee sop choi is a sign that mike lowell won't be coming north when the sox break camp.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Has Lowell been that bad? I haven't seen numbers, but what I've read suggests that ML, ideally, will become a $8M defensive caddy, allowing YOUK to get full-time love @ the hot corner, while Hee-Seop hits 'em & JT misses 'em on the other side of the diamond.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)

I would just like to point out to the Choi cranks (as it has been pointed out in various places) that, a few years ago, the Sox took a flier on a similar type of hitter - K happy, questionable attitude, no success against lefties. That hitter was David Ortiz. And now you know the rest of the story.

― Paul H. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

few years ago, the Sox took a flier on a similar type of hitter - K happy, questionable attitude, no success against lefties. That hitter was Reggie Jefferson.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:09 (twenty years ago)

o u

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

As long as I breathe, I will not stand idly by when a player who wears his socks (Sox!) high is disparaged! PULL 'EM UP, JT!

― c(''c) (Leee), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Francona on Tavarez' 10-game suspension: ""It seems like a lot. He should have done steroids. Five more [days] we can replace him. It's a bit stiff."

― c(''c) (Leee), Friday, 31 March 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

i know a manager's got to back his guys up, but tavarez was clearly in the wrong and i have no problem w/ a 10 game suspension. kind of a douche comment.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 31 March 2006 20:13 (twenty years ago)

I think considering Tavarez past incidents on the field, 10 games is a gift. I think this is the fifth or sixth time the guy has been suspended with most of them being for brawls on the field or arguing with umpires. Boston should not be suprised by this kind of crap, the guy is muy loco.

Is there a current player that has been suspended more times than Tavarez?

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 31 March 2006 23:53 (twenty years ago)

I agree that Tavarez is getting off easy, I just wanted to point out the ROIDS ROFFLES bit. And according to that article, this suspension brings his career record to 4.

― c(''c) (Leee), Saturday, 1 April 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

schilling is cruising through 5, papi went deep (2 outs, natch) in the top of the 5th. top of 6th, texas goes to the pen, bosox up 5-0.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

no sooner were the words off my fingertips than schilling gives up a two run tater to hank blalok in the bottom of the 6th.

me opening yap = wheels coming off truck.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

mmmm Big Papi

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

man, no Arroyo no douchebag Damon, I think I root for the Red Sox without feeling dirty. Wily Mo and Hee Seop just add to the love.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

my best friend back in boston sent me a picture of some dude with an anti-damon sign reading "LOOKS LIKE JESUS, THROWS LIKE MARY, ACTS LIKE JUDAS".

i'd forgotten how the long winter makes new englanders absolutely insane.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

OH YEAH:

- A. Gonzalez singled to right
- C. Crisp singled to left, A. Gonzalez to second
- M. Loretta flied into double play center to second, A. Gonzalez out at second

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

opening day isn't even over and i've already jinxed the bosox. sorry new england!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:37 (twenty years ago)

The "date when Lowell will hit 1st Sox HR" pool ended pretty quickly

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

SCHILL THRILLS IN BALTIMORE

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 9 April 2006 00:27 (twenty years ago)

WAKEFIELD ALSO DOES THIS

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 06:35 (twenty years ago)

If Foulke is healthy (as he seems to be), is Papelbon still the closer? At this point I think Papelbon is a better option.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 10 April 2006 06:48 (twenty years ago)

So does no Coco for 1 month (potentially) mean Adam Stern gets a venti mocha latte in CF, or do teh Sox slide Nixon over & have Wily Mo's Mannyness in RF? Or a little of both?

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 April 2006 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 331 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Let's see if we can sum up all the injuries:
Manny: patellar tendinitis
Varitek: torn meniscus in knee
Trot: strained right biceps
Ortiz: irregular heartbeat
Loretta: bruised right quad
A-Gonz: right oblique strain
Mirabelli: sprained left ankle
Wily Mo: tendinitis in left wrist
Youkilis: stomach flu
Lester: sore back
Beckett: cut on right middle finger
Wakefield: fractured rib
Foulke: sore back
Clement: right shoulder strain/sprained confidence

Oy.

― g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 28 August 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

Arroyo: traded

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Is Youk going to continue to start in LF?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 28 August 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

He was comic yesterday. What a good Manny understudy he is.

― jergins (jergins), Monday, 28 August 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

I think as long as Wily Mo and Manny aren't playin', Youk'll stay out there. They did just call up (Carlos) Pena, so there's another first baseman for you (i.e., maybe Loretta can go back to second).

― g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 28 August 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

ah, "fans" in the office who think Varitek is somehow the missing ingredient...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 August 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Javy Lopez is horrible with pitchers. I mean, remember how bad the Braves' pitching was from 1994 to 2003.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

"I think this slide actually coincides w/ the Sox releasing Hee-Seop Choi!"

the curse of the spurned korean

― SLUTSPIRIA (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

That's like the curse of the monkey hand, but with more middle fingers!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

They're done.

That looked like KC out there. Carlos Pena @ 1B? Don't even fucking try to justify why a DH needs a day of rest. No MVP vote for Ortiz. Youk's Left Field excursions looked like a drunk blind man waking up in a stranger's apartment. This poor kid they called up from Pawtucket (Garbage or something) threw 6 straight balls to start the game.

Foulke is essentially a BP guy now, he got raked for 5 XBHs in 2 innings including 3 HRs.

Uglay stuff dudes.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

Don't even fucking try to justify why a DH needs a day of rest.

an irregular heartbeat, perhaps?

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

Haha okay fine that justifies it, but ONLY a little!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's not like he had a real heart attack or anything serious like that.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

They don't explain that at the game dudes!

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

HIS HART IS TO BIG DO U C>?!?111

― Jimmy Mod: THE HANDLESS ORGANIST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

To quote a friend of mine:
me: "Wow the BoSox are on a real slide right now"
friend of me: "What do you think we traded them Hinske for?"

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Could Hinkse be a double agent? Izzat unwittingly or fully conscious of his mission?

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Unwittingly. Definitely unwittingly.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Q. What do you wear to bed? (from THE E$PN THE MAGAZINE)

"Underwear, and that's it. Nothing else. I like being cold in bed."
-Frank Catalanotto

"Sometimes I wear jeans. The first night on a road trip to Boston, I forgot to pack shorts, so I slept in jeans. Then the next day, I ended up going to the mall to pick up some shorts. And if I'm lying around the pool at home, I'll just fall asleep in my pool shorts. It drives my wife crazy."
-Eric Chavez

"Nothing. I can't sleep in underwear or T-shirts. I go to sleep butt naked."
-Kevin Millar

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

The Red Sox's collapse has been so momentous that I have to take Jeter's side in this flamewar:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2584168

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Hafner or Santana or even like Thome wins instead of either of those guys.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

dye or morneau

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

hopefully he'll lose a handful votes because of this idiotic statement

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

love this:

Damon said he thought Ortiz was a "shoo-in" for MVP last season, but lost out to Alex Rodriguez last year because being a DH hurt him with the voters.

but hey guys, isn't this the kind of craptastic "leader" schtick from jeter that sportswriters cream over?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

The Red Sox got thrashed by the Yankees, had more than a lineup's worth of injuries and plummeted out of contention... so for that reason, you're "taking Jeter's side" when he talks like a cock? I guess i don't follow the logic. Got to love Damon piling on, too. Those guys deserve each other. Now if we could only get Schilling over there, the guy's a born Yankee.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

It's just incredible the way Yankee fans react - and Yankees themselves - when someone - even Big Papi - has the EFFRONTERY to bring up the fact that the salary difference between the 2006 New York Yankees and the 2006 Boston Red Sox is approximately the entire payroll of the 2005 World Champion Chicago White Sox. It's like "BLA BLA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" - a total recoil reaction into defensive mode... "well... well... at least we're goin to the playoffs!" Yeah, exactly, Jeter, you jackass.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

my dream is a 14 year run of blue jays division crowds and a concurrent 14 year run of wild card winners emerging from the AL west or the AL central.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'd venture to say that this season the Yankees lineup suffered way more due to the injuries to their team than the Red Sox. The fact that the Red Sox really only played well this season during interleague play against the NL East was the reason Sox fans were even thinking they had a chance.

My thought (as evidenced above) was that by mid-August the Sox still hadn't surpassed the injury-decimated Yankees was the sign that they were done, even before the heart murmurs and sore knees and wheels falling off.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

i was hoping barry was just being facetious up there, tracer.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite factoid about the Yankees $$$ is that Florida (2nd in the NL WC race)'s entire team payroll is less than A-Rod's annual salary.

But at any rate, the Sox are #2 in payroll, my sympathy extends about as far as my freshly clipped cuticle. "We're not as evil as the really evil guys, we swear!!!"

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

also see: cashman making good moves and theo making a series of stupid blunders.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

Steve, every night, even without Matsui and Sheffield, the Bombers come out to the plate like this:

Every night, even without Matsui and Sheffield, our pinstripers come out of the box this way:

Johnny Damon, $13 million.

Derek Jeter, $20.6 million.

Bobby Abreu, $13.6 million.

A-Rod, $25.7 million.

Giambi, $20.5 million.

As much as they've had to overcome this season, it's not like we're talking about The Little Engine That Could.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

gear otm. yeah, the yankees have lots of luxuries--including that of casting aside cashman's mistakes--but somehow they keep coming up with the canos and melkies and wangs and last year's smalls and chacons.

yeah i still hate the yankees, but it's not like they're doing a bad job of managment--it still takes a little thought, even with all that money.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

the "we have a right to bitch and moan about payrolls" hierarchy:

1. pirates
2. royals

etc
etc

31. red sox
32. yankees

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

#1 and #2 spend what little money they have like assholes; they have no right to bitch about anything.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

LOOK AT THE PIRATES PASSING DUSTY BAKER'S CUBS

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

I am not bitching and moaning. I don't think Big Papi was either. Asked a question by a reporter comparing his MVP credentials with Derek Jeter's - a comparison, you may note, between the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox, not any other team - and Papi had to GALL to mention the GULF that separates the Yankees from every other team in baseball, INCLUDING the Red Sox - in a very roundabout way, too, by complimenting their lineup - and he's some kind of sore loser? Only in the Stalinesque climes of Yankeeland is such a commonplace filed verboten.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't see papi mention any GULF. although he should be careful about what he considers "valuable"--he's hitting in front of manny, and the rest of the sox lineup are properly godfearing. maybe he should have mentioned jeter's range instead...

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

The Red Sox got thrashed by the Yankees, had more than a lineup's worth of injuries and plummeted out of contention... so for that reason, you're "taking Jeter's side" when he talks like a cock?

stence is right, I was being a bit facetious in that "taking Jeter's side" isn't really a consequence of the Red Sox screwing the pooch ... however, Papi is completely full of shit in this case, fishing for sympathy and trying to present himself as Bonds 2001-4, who could singlehandedly transform a below-average offense into one of the best in the NL. Hey Jeter, I dare you to take your pretty boy .340 BA to one of the best hitters parks in the league and hit behind a future HOFer. I double dare you! Lame.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 08:20 (nineteen years ago)

and hit ~~behind~~ in front of a future HOFer

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

OK all people who are not 100% behind Big Papi - 4 LIFE, bitchez - need to get the hell off this thread before I THROW Y'ALL OUT

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

LOL @ RED SOX BACKLASH BEING LED BY JETER-JETER-PUMPKINEATER

― Jimmy Mod's Champion Erotic Fantasy Team 2006 (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

OK all people who are not 100% behind Big Papi - 4 LIFE, bitchez - need to get the hell off this thread before I THROW Y'ALL OUT

curious where you'll stand in 2011 when steinbrenner finally gets that toy cashman passed on..

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ big grandpapi

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

he'll still be half Bond's age around then

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Jeter, Santana, Sizemore and prolly Hafner (missing the last month) and Mauer are all ahead of Ortiz in my book.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

oh Dye too.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Goddamn Jermaine Dye #$**^#% makes me so mad.

I still like him though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

I am thinking that the Division Winner/Wild Card in the Central is probably going to decide who wins the MVP (depending obv on how Mauer and Dye do during the stretch run--if either don't play well then it's basically Jeter's to win.) I can't see Santana (who probably deserves it) or Hafner (DH on poor team) getting it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

By poor team, I mean unluck w/ shitty relief (which is basically the same thing, I am beginning to believe.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

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