"What a minimal fraction of the literary field we all work on," Mr. Moretti declares, tactfully including himself among the guilty. "A canon of 200 novels, for instance, sounds very large for 19th-century Britain (and is much larger than the current one), but is still less than 1 per cent of the novels that were actually published: 20,000, 30, more, no one really knows — and close reading won't help here, a novel a day every day of the year would take a century or so."
The perils of such a method, he writes, are clear: "A field this large cannot be understood by stitching together separate bits of knowledge about individual cases, because it isn't a sum of individual cases: it's a collective system, that should be grasped as such, as a whole."
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Charles Ardinger, Monday, 12 January 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― otto, Monday, 12 January 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)
isn't this just an aspect of the fernand braudel/Annales approach to humanities applied to literature? i am definitely sympathetic to the idea of a "total history", y'know, like looking at the lives and habits of actual peasants or the geography or farming techniques over time as opposed to your will and ariel durant and so on where at any given time three larger-than-life members of royalty are dashing across europe on horseback changing the fate of nations.
similarly, i'm all for close reading but you can't isolate novels from their historical context ... you aren't going to have a full understanding of "the victorian novel" without understanding first that the bestsellers of the time were "marriage manuals" (read: sex education). otherwise you have a similarly top-heavy "rockist" view of literature...
i suppose you could just study style but then it wouldn't be comp. lit, right?
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)
bingo! that's actually what lots of comparitive literature people do.
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)
impractical qualities of literature, namely humor, emotion, anti-authoritarianism, and fun
and woe betide the academic who thinks he can decide what the 17c. thought defined "humor", "anti-authoritarianism" and "fun" without a little judicious sociology ... or at least a dip into a more than a few primary sources. if people like moretti can boil it down to a rough gestalt with some statistical work more power to him, and academics who are freed then of wading through piles of primary sources to try and apprehend a gestalt ... this kind of work smashes preconceptions and received knowledge, people!
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 12 January 2004 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― otto, Monday, 12 January 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)
i think it would be a disservice to the readers of the past, the consumers of swift's writing in swift's time (or even swift's contemporaries who'd never heard of him, or who didn't like him and never bought a book) to not look at the statistics. do you want the musicologists of the future to ignore the pop charts?
(please new statistics/maths/numbers are soulless and evil things that i just don't understand answers)
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)
To stop being a complete ass, it is an interesting as well as an alarming idea. But having sat through long seminars supposedly devoted to literature in which everything other than the text at hand is discussed, it gives me bad theory-flashbacks.
― otto, Monday, 12 January 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― writingstatic (writingstatic), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― mohamed ibrahem gamea, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)