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so i have lately gotten into the habit of reading international fiction ... i don't so much mean "authors who aren't american" but rather novels which involve travel, in which the author is immersed in alien culture, etc.

somehow as a result of this i got hooked on books about cities.

the last one i read was "london perceived" by v.s. pritchett. it was very very good. the photos by evelyn hofer lend a great deal to the atmosphere and the thesis - london is a collection of private, interstitial spaces that are eccentric from age and tradition - was familiar to me from reading ilx. i think what i liked best about it was the lack of organization ... at times he moves through london along the historical axis, at other times he moves through space, and at other times he free associates through anecdote or memory or vignette. very appropriate, very natural and above all very readable, calming and edifying w/o being "dry", like speaking to a fascinating grandfather.

next up i'm going to go for "stones of venice" by john ruskin (yes, the art critic). he tours venice and as he considers the buildings and monuments and public works provides a brief history and summation of western classical architecture. the pen and ink diagrams look like they set the mood well.

does anybody have any other suggestions? fiction ok, of course.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

also if anybody could suggest a good one on southeast asia that'd be great, too. i read a really short book on angkor wat and now i have this running interest in the area, i've looked at a couple of books on vietnam but nothing really caught my eye ... i'm also sort of "local" in my tastes, i'd rather read about a city or village or family than a nation or a people ... "small histories" ...

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

A few suggestions that spring to mind:

Dublin: "Dubliners"
Chicago: "City on the Make" or "Studs Lonigan"
New York: "Forever" (Pete Hamill)

Joseph J. Finn, Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"Mother London" by Michael Moorcock is a pretty darn wonderful novel and there's Iain Sinclair's walking travelogue "Lights Out For The Territory" if you want an idiosyncratic view of the hidden cultural and political history of the city.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ireland: eureka street

cheeesoo (cheeesoo), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Love that one.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Though it's about Belfast specifically.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

'Leviathan' by John Birmingham is apparently quite good. It's about Sydney - got bored with it because I don't like Sydney and I don't like John Birmingham, but maybe you'll like it.

There was another one about London a couple years back by some well-known author, but I don't remember the name of it. Maybe it was just called 'London' or 'A History Of London' or something. I don't remember.

writingstatic (writingstatic), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"My Venice" by Harold Brodkey
"The Florida Keys: A History and Guide" (not a city, I know, although Key West figures heavily) by Joy Williams

Both of these are as gorgeous as it gets, even though Williams' verges on guidebook (where to eat, etc.). I had no prior interest in the Keys, and maintain reluctance to anywhere near, but much as with a good McPhee piece, my prior interest wasn't a prerequisite. It's a very rare thing, really, when world-class authors write guidebooks.

M.

Matthew K (mtk), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

if you've any interest in venice whatsoever,i can't recommend venice by jan morris enough
also,i'm in the middle of reading lights out for the territory,which is indeed excellent

robin (robin), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Journey to the Alcarria by Jose Luis Cela. Not a city as such (it's set in Spain just after the civil war), but an area since obliterated by developement. Makes you want to go back in time. But with a digital camera to take some decent snaps.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

berlin: 'berlin alexanderplatz' by alfred doblin.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

also: walter benjamin's 'arcades' is about paris in the 19th century but I haven't read it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

the entire tales of the city saga by maupin, about San Francisco in the late 70's/early 80's. although admittedly I've only read parts of it.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 16 January 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I've read all the Tales books. I would love to visit the sites in San Francisco. And the house from Charmed of course.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 19 January 2004 09:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm about 60 pgs into iain sinclair's london orbital, which is a sort of psychogeography (is that a word? does it make any sense?) of the m25. so far, so good.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

It is a word, but a bloody awful one. Can someone define it please?

MikeyG (MikeyG), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Psychogeography research is carried through non-scientific methods such as the derive, aimless drifting through the city, trying to record the emotions given by a particular place; and mental mapping, the production of mood-based maps.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm it's often seemed to me that Psychogeograpohy is a bad word for Sinclair's tactics, especially in LOFTT mode. There's nowhere near enough derive and far too much of the walking tour in that bookk, at least.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

psychogeography is a GREAT word!! that's exactly the word for "london perceived" and lots of other books/authors i like. i'd say the only problem is that it has a bit of a pseudoscientific or sociological air which is a bit misleading.

i think there's something necessarily personal about a good psychogeography, or a good travel book...

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm reading,and really enjoying,lights out for the territory at the moment...
i think psychgeography is a good word,although i can see why someone might find it annoying...

robin (robin), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not arguing with the quality of psychogeography as a word. I was just meaning that what Sinclair does is not really psychogeography (or at least it doesn't match my understanding of psychogeography).

I haven't read "London Perceived" but from reading a little bit about it on the web it sounds a little too information-based, fact-oriented to match my understanding of psychogoegraphy.

Have any of you read any Ralph Rumney? I haven't but I'm very keen to. Apparently he was kicked out of the Situs for failing to turn in a psychogeographical report on time...

Tim (Tim), Friday, 23 January 2004 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

it sounds a little too information-based, fact-oriented

that's a good point, and it is based on historical fact as opposed to his experience ... though it is full of statements like "on any given sunday one may see...", some of which are far too specific and eccentric to be anything but his own personal experience (these are some of the funniest bits of the book).

also, many of the "facts" are tall tales, rumors, traditional stories handed down, self-spun myths, etc. i have to say, i love that in travelogues, the more straight-faced the better ("gangs of new york"!)

vahid (vahid), Friday, 23 January 2004 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Colson Whithead's The Collossus of New York? (I've not read it, though, so this is just a guess.)

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Saturday, 24 January 2004 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i got the collossus of new york for christmas,haven't read it yet though..
i only got it cause i like reading about new york,i've never heard of the writer,is he any good?

robin (robin), Saturday, 24 January 2004 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

The Intuitionist is quite good. I've not read his more recent books yet, though.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Sunday, 25 January 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that The Intuitionist was quite brave and interesting. His other book, John Henry Days won some award (I can't recall which, at the moment), and was also intriguing, but I didn't enjoy it as much as I liked The Intuitionist (though I did, very much, like the historical aspects of JHD.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 26 January 2004 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Colson Whitehead may just be the worst writer in America.

(Sorry--couldn't avoid the Peck-ism.)

But to some degree, I might mean it. The Intuitionist was a pleasant enough piece of light neo-fabulism, whatever obviousness of the significance it grasped at, but John Henry Days I completed out of sheer force of will, tooth-grinding, toe-twisting, etc.

The man has no sense of his own prose. I gave the first page or three of JHD to students of mine as an exercise in what not to do as a writer, ie, one shouldn't strain for meanings you can't make evident directly by simply incessantly repeating yourself and making bold declarations. And it's also a good idea to control your register, to know when you're in pseudo-patois and when you're in schtick, when boldly realist and when hyperconscious.

And then there is the simple ungainliness of the writing, throughout. These aren't memories I revisit happily, I can promise you.

I'll admit, though, that I did enjoy Whitehead's gentle ribbing of Ford a while back--and he did seem to have some control of himself, then. Perhaps it's merely a momentary dystrophy, and he'll happily go back to being a mildly humorous, reasonably competent writer of the light-middlebrow. The title of his newest book, however, bodes ill for this.

M.

Matthew K (mtk), Monday, 26 January 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm inclined to agree with your assessment of Whitehead's basic writing abilities, Matthew - he needs a more stringent editor, if nothing else. But I must say that I find myself intrigued by the ideas that he explores and his approach toward presenting those ideas in a way that encourages the reader to stop and think (not always, though - and not all of his ideas are brilliant, either). With John Henry Days, I was significantly less interested in the overall plot-line than I was with the idea of the myth of John Henry and how it evolved over time and telling. And with The Intuitionist I was less interested in the racial/social themes and more with the ideas of how people approach technology (and therefore how they approach life) - sorry, I'm struggling to put this into words, here.

There are times when I wonder if I'm somehow like the mother of Garp, who (it is written) thinks that a book is good if it's on an important subject (er, that's a paraphrase - and a lousy one at that); I think that I tend to disregard how something is written and pay more attention to what is written - if I like a story, then the chances are that I'll overlook (and honestly not even be aware of) flaws in the writing.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought the intuitionist didn't live up to the promise of the excerpts from the "general theory of elevators" or whatever that textbook was called. the social themes were handled well but the "ideas of how people approach technology" were taken up and never really explored.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Calvino's 'Invisible Cities' for more on Venice

mck (mck), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

been meaning to read that anyway...
i thought all the cities were imaginary though?

robin (robin), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Earlier today I thought of a few contributions to this thread, but now my mind is coming-up with tumbleweeds.

BUT, here's an interesting website that I stumbled across while looking for an image of Susan Straight's I Been in Sorrow's Kitchen and Licked Out the Pots (which is similar to Kidd's The Secret Life of Bees but more literary, well-written, and marvelous). Anyway, here's the site: Vacation Book Review. I've spent far too much time at it today.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)

robin, in 'Invisible Cities' the cities are all Venice (at least according to one interpretation), and you're right that it isn't a travelogue or factual place book in a conventional sense. It's certainly imaginative--casting the city as palimpsest and harbor of myriad unrealized possibilities--but it's a better account, at least impressionistically, of Venice than anything else I've read. And, regardless, it's worth reading.

mck (mck), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I would also like to suggest Jan (formerly James) Morris
and John Julian Norwich. Norwich is known for his 3 volume
history of Byzantium, he has also written a couple of great
books on Venice. Morris has a long list of titles in the travel
area.

Steve Walker (Quietman), Thursday, 29 January 2004 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

How about Tony Horwitz's Baghdad Without a Map? Or Siham Turjuman/Tergeman's Daughter of Damascus? (Though the latter is a bit dated and propagandaish and idealized, but it's also delightful. And, sadly, out of print.) And Elizabeth Fernea's Guest's of the Sheik: An Ethnography of an Iraqi Village and Street in Marrakech are also dated, but the former is one of my all-time favorite books (more for the story than the writing, though).

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 30 January 2004 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the hefty London book mentioned above was probably Peter Ackroyd's London: A Biography - which is pretty good. I'm certainly finding it more exciting than what I've read of his fiction. Rebecca Solnit's Wanderlust: A History Of Walking makes San Francisco sound pretty appealing, although it's not the main focus.

what what (whatwhat), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)


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