― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)
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― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)
UZEN
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)
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― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm kinda partial to Sierra Nevada as far as Cali stuff goes. Is that SF? I can't remember.
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― dean? (deangulberry), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)
vacaville (20 miles west of Sacramento) = "cowtown" en español.
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― dean? (deangulberry), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)
jingleberries, did you miss my screed on how coalinga charted #1 on that silly "TOP FIVE CITIES" thread a few weeks ago?
i'm referring to the mighty san joaquin valley that borders the western ridge of the sierra nevadas as "central"... chico, maybe even points north, all the way down to bakersfield (bakersfield is technically southern cal but noone would blink if you called it central either).
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)
Also, I had a lousy Mexican dinner in Chico.
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)
I had a friend in SD who half-seriously called LA/OC "northern california".
if you are truly interested in what i'm talking about (altho i highly doubt it), click here for a detail of the san joaquin valley, the big brown blob in the middle. this valley defines central california, as you see it stretches south nearly latitudally with LA and far north beyond chico. maybe the "center" that people are referring to when they're talking about "central california" is less "inbetween northern and southern california" but more of a "this area comprises the center of the state". but what do i know?
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)
*Probably familiar to many of you who enjoyed the mid-era Raymond Carver.
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)
Arcata's where we stayed. I got high.
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)
I think part of the confusion comes from people thinking that SF->Sacramento is the focal point of Northern California, as opposed to merely where it "starts." I personally think that central California is from Santa Barbara to San Jose, and even THAT may be a bit too low. It might come from the perception that there is nothing important above SF->Sac, which is common, I think, in LA and the southland.
― dean? (deangulberry), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)
dean? do you buy that "tootsie-roll" center definition that i threw out up there as opposed to strict latitude?
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)
Why is Bakersfield "technically" Southern Cal?
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)
gabbneb, Bakersfield is about an hour outside of LA which is pretty much as SoCal as it gets! it's the attitude in the paragraph above that would cause a rift in the geography i'd imagine.
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)
#1 a car that can traverse the grapevine with deft and skill#2 no fear of CHiPs)
(plus in bakersfield, people affect a full-on "country" accent (which if you know me is very funny!) even though they are about 90 minutes from malibu (with no traffic)))
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)
ok, but that doesn't sound very 'technical'. my brief google says it's in the Tulare Basin, which is as much part of the central valley as Chico in the Sacramento Valley. but I asked because I remembered (perhaps incorrectly) reading something about it being geologically separate from the rest of the valley and didn't remember why.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)
post-computer freeze thoughts ... i think that some people use that definition but if you're going to be that vague, why even bother? also, i'd say that the "tootsie-roll" center analogy works for me primarily in terms of explaining the places in California that I try to avoid, that "center."
― dean? (deangulberry), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)
i think all accents are cous-cous. i just think it's funny when Californians say "y'all" or something equally suspicious to me.
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― dean? (deangulberry), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)
VACAVILLE IS between OAKLAND and SACRAMENTO.
I KNOW
― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)