ya know, sometimes i think we ought to have more than four seasons.

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i figure one additional season per transitional phase between our current four seasons.

what is the astronomers justification? historically, have there always been four seasons, in all cultures?

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 07:39 (twenty years ago)

astronomer's justification: there are two extremes to the orbit. at one end, the north pole is pointing more or less towards the sun and we have the longest day in the northern hemisphere (summer solstice). at the other end the south pole is pointing more or less towards the sun and we in the north have the shortest day of the year (winter solstice). so then we say the midpoints are special days, too (vernal and autumnal equinox) because on these days night + day is of equal length. so you have four points.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:04 (twenty years ago)

i always thought instead of the seasons beginning on those days, the seasons should be centered around those days. ie, march 21 isn't the beginning of spring, it's the midpoint. but then again i guess the earth takes a month or so to warm up or cool down so maybe the seasons are good where they are.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:05 (twenty years ago)

there's your four seasons

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:10 (twenty years ago)

ah, word.

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:22 (twenty years ago)

seasons because of the sun, then. joy...fun...

bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)

If you live on the equator there are only two seasons: the rainy season and the dry season.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:56 (twenty years ago)

and on the poles, light and dark seasons

bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

shasta otm

even in miami, we don't have seasons, and that isn't even in the tropics. it's the sub-tropics.

lf (lfam), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:36 (twenty years ago)

i gotta say i don't really "get" winter

PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:42 (twenty years ago)

neither do i

au hasard (sleep), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Sadness. Winter is for hibernating and bundling up and putting big heavy duvets on, and wool socks and bowls of meat stew. And then venturing outside & getting snow-wrecked because you know there's a warm house to come back to.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:21 (twenty years ago)

It's also a time for feeling super virtuous about being all stocked up and safe -- nesting, basically, and conserving resources until spring. Which season, by the way, is a LOT more enjoyable when it's actually rebirthing something.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)

plus its not goddamned hot all the time...i like walking w/out sweating...

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)

GOD DAMN SCIENCE ILLIERATRES

am i slaving away for nothing?!?

you STILL have solstices, so you still have extremes of weather. you STILL have equinoxes, so you still have midpoints between the extremes that correspond to transition seasons.

SO: you have

rainy
not-so-rainy
dry
not-so-dry

SEASONS OK?

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)

except in many cases yearly cyclical weather patterns trump your bogus 4 season "rule".

elmo, holy helper (allocryptic), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:44 (twenty years ago)

seasons are not about weather! they're about ASTRONOMY, DULLARDS

vahid (vahid), Friday, 17 March 2006 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Make up your mind, V! Are seasons metereological or astrological!?!?!?!?!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 March 2006 00:14 (twenty years ago)

YES, SOMETIMES THE RITZ-CARLTON IS ALSO ACCEPTABLE

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 17 March 2006 04:35 (twenty years ago)

gabbneb's drunk, i think! he's doing hit and runs on every thread in town!

gbx (skowly), Friday, 17 March 2006 04:43 (twenty years ago)

Well thankfully he's behind his keyboard and monitor instead of behind the wheel on one of those road trips he's always talking about.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 March 2006 04:51 (twenty years ago)

Contrary to popular belief, the vernal equinox begins today, at exactly 1:26 p.m cst.

What's more, throughout the remainder of this century, spring in North America will often begin on March 19th.
"We haven't celebrated March 21 as the first day of spring (since 2002), but every year, it keeps coming up," says Joe Rao, a meteorologist who writes a column for Space.com.

Also known as the vernal equinox, spring begins in the northern hemisphere at the moment the sun is directly above the equator — in the southern hemisphere, that moment marks the beginning of autumn — and day and night are almost equal in length.

But why, exactly, has spring sprung earlier?

Actually, the planet's orbit is slightly less than 365-and-a-quarter days. So even with the leap-year system in place, over a long period of time, the arrival of spring would fall on an increasingly earlier position on our calendar.

In the late 16th century, Pope Gregory XIII and his astronomical consultants were displeased to see that the vernal equinox land on March 10th. They dealt with the problem by wiping 10 full days off the calendar to get spring caught up to the 21st.

They then tinkered with the leap-year system, adding a clause whereby leap years would be omitted from "century years" not divisible by 400.

In other words, century years — 1700, 1800 and 1900 — would not enjoy that extra leap day. The century year 2000 happens to be divisible by 400, and was therefore entitled to experience a leap-year day.

This allowed the vernal equinox to drop back to an earlier point on the calendar.

The effect will remain until the calendar reverts to its normal non-leap-year status in the year 2100. This calendrical game of tug-of-war between the primary and secondary leap systems produces a calendar that correlates nicely to celestial activity.

"It's a way of resetting the clock every 400 years," says Paul Delany, professor of Astronomy and physics at York University. "It fixed the calendar back in the 16th century, and it will keep us nicely accurate for the next several thousand years. It's still not perfect, but it's a really good correction. You can't tinker much more without driving people nuts."

Another reason that spring comes earlier: The Earth's route through space is changing. The planet doesn't travel around the sun in a perfect circle. Rather, its path is an irregular orbit affected by the gravitational pull of other celestial bodies.

Earth lingers in some areas longer than it does in others, making for uneven seasons. Winter, for example, is the shortest season, clocking in at a shade less than 89 days, while summer is about 93.5 days long. That means spring doesn't necessarily start on the 21st.

"The Earth's orbit is changing slightly as it goes around the sun, and the pull of gravity from other planets affects it," says Rao. "Our position in space is not exact. In a perfect world, we'd be going around the sun in perfect circles... in a perfect solar system, every year the vernal equinox would be occurring exactly six hours later on our clocks, but it's not."

These are strange days for time in general. At the end of 2005, a leap second was added to our global clocks to accommodate Earth's slowing rotation.

"Astronomists realize that the Earth is falling behind a little bit. As a result, they add an extra second to add Mother Earth catch up to the clock," says Rao. "Who says chivalry is dead?"

"The year 2000 threw the whole calendar system off," says Rao. "In years such as 1700, 1800, 1900 and 2100... there's no leap day in February. But there was one in 2000, quite contrary to previous years, which makes the 20th the first day of spring."

Now, about the first day of autumn...

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:20 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, happy equinox all

vahid (vahid), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:26 (twenty years ago)

can you believe it's 1,385 already?

vahid (vahid), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

this is where i live

account settings (account), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordian_calendar

The numbering of Discordian years is the same as that of Anno Domini years plus 1,166. (Elsewhere in the Principia Discordia, it is mentioned that the Curse of Greyface occurred in 1166 BC, so this is presumably the start-date of the calendar.) As a reference, the year Anno Domini 2000 is 3166 YOLD (Year of Our Lady of Discord).
The Discordian calendar has five 73-day seasons: Chaos, Discord, Confusion, Bureaucracy, and The Aftermath. The Discordian year is aligned with the Gregorian calendar and begins on January 1, thus Chaos 1, 3172 YOLD is January 1, 2006 Gregorian.

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)


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