Where Is the Prince Harry Wearing a Nazi Uniform Thread?

I am in New MEXICO right now. It is beautiful. There are a lot of geese. I spent most of the day unpacking my parents' crap but wednesday I may go skiing. Word.

San Antonio looked really nice from the freeway. The diner I ate at in Roswell was pretty good plus the two waitresses were pretty cute. I am thirsty.

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I had AWESOME sopapillas at the Plaza Cafe in Santa Fe on Saturday night. Sooooo goood. What a great place, sorta touristy (but hey that's santa fe for ya), so check it out if you're ever there. Beforehand we spent the afternoon at OJO CALIENTE getting our mineral spring bath on. I don't think really good drugs have ever relaxed my muscles so much.

BTW Nabisco who are these people? Email me duder, I'm intrigued.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7822574.stm

Prince Harry has apologised for using offensive language to describe a member of his army platoon.

The News of the World said it had a video of the army lieutenant calling a colleague a "Paki" while pretending to make a phonecall to the Queen.

A statement from St James's Palace said he did so three years ago as a nickname about a friend and without any malice.

The prince had to apologise in 2005 for wearing a swastika armband to a party, which offended many Jewish people.

The video reportedly shows Harry while still an officer cadet at Sandhurst military academy.

It was filmed in front of other cadets at an airport departure lounge as they waited for a flight to Cyprus to go on manoeuvres.

The newspaper said the prince had called the soldier "our little Paki friend".

'Extremely sorry'

In a separate incident, Prince Harry is heard calling another officer cadet a "raghead", the News of the World said.

During the faked call to the Queen, as the Commander in Chief of the British Army, the Prince says, "Granny I've got to go, send my love to the Corgis and Grandpa."

He finishes saying: "I've got to go, got to go, bye. God Save You ... yeah, that's great."

Bullying and racism are not endemic in the Armed Forces
MOD spokeswoman

A statement from St James's Palace said: "Prince Harry fully understands how offensive this term can be, and is extremely sorry for any offence his words might cause.

"However, on this occasion three years ago, Prince Harry used the term without any malice and as a nickname about a highly popular member of his platoon.

"There is no question that Prince Harry was in any way seeking to insult his friend."

The statement continued: "Prince Harry used the term 'raghead' to mean Taleban or Iraqi insurgent."

'Disturbing allegations'

A spokeswoman for the Ministry of Defence said: "Neither the Army nor the Armed Forces tolerates inappropriate behaviour in any shape or form.

"The Army takes all allegations of inappropriate behaviour very seriously and all substantive allegations are investigated.

"We are not aware of any complaint having been made by the individual. Bullying and racism are not endemic in the Armed Forces."

A spokeswoman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: "These appear to be disturbing allegations and we will be asking the MoD to see the evidence, share that evidence with us and their plans for dealing with it.

"We will then consider what further action might be necessary."

During the faked call to the Queen, as the Commander in Chief of the British Army, the Prince says, "Granny I've got to go, send my love to the Corgis and Grandpa."

He finishes saying: "I've got to go, got to go, bye. God Save You ... yeah, that's great."

Kind of puts Russell Brand's phone call to Andrew Sachs into perspective

What is with that faked phone call? Was Prince Harry high?
haha, "God save you ... "

For goodness sake, this was a comment amongst friends in 2005!
It is reported that the gentleman from Pakistan was not offended by the nickname. If the nickname is accepted by the Pakistan community, perhaps Prince Harry is more accepted than he is given credit for!
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- m b, dorset, 10/1/2009 23:35

Brit is short for British, Scot for Scottish.
Political correctness gone mad as usual. Last one leaving Britain, please turn the light out! Glad I left years ago.
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- Sid, turks & Caicos Islands, 10/1/2009 22:33

i wish he had said blow the light out

One more...

im sick of reading all this non-sense PC twoddle, we have bigger things to worry about - like how to get rid of this sitting duck government.
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- adam, leeds, 10/1/2009 23:15

Sitting duck?

It's just what all these pricks have been waiting for, an excuse to equate stupid racism to PC-ness. If calling someone a 'Paki' is not offensive, everything else is acceptable. Looking forward to re-runs of It Ain't Half Hot, Mum and the return of the Black and White Minstrels.

and mind your language to be remade

are you two retarded?

lol

I cannot speak for Herman but I am not retarded. Thanks.

ok, so why do you think the widely criticized use of the p-word by lady di's younger son is likely to result in the bbc repeating various offensive items from its back-catalogue?

Editor of Majesty magazine says Harry's okay to call his mate a Paki cos the other troops call Harry "a ginge".

"woke up this morning. I've got a big chin."

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Oh ffs - I don't really think they're going to (and I doubt that Herman does either) but it was just so bloody predictable that the DM/HYS mob would use this to try and push back the shit that they think should be acceptable so I was trying to make that point. Not exactly subtle but we can't all have big branes.

I wish people would get it into their heads that what lunatics say on the BBC website doesn't mean shit to anyone.

says PC Hater of Croydon

HYS mob are probably parents of ilx trolls

ha ha you guys still have royalty!

i mean what is up with that

british are so weird

Almost as archaic and fucked up as the Death Penalty.

seriously and i include ilx in this can everybody shut the fuck up about something prince fucking harry did three fucking years ago

yeah has everyone forgotten racism ended two months ago?

yeah okay we still have the electric chair but you guys have a queen

In defence she is German. Just because you elected a Muslim doesn't mean you have the monopoly on multiculturalism.

thought this happened like 2 days ago

no. it happened after nazi-uniform-gate though.

The Royal Family are a totemistic institution for working class Brits such as myself, uniting us all in a spirit of mutual laughing our bollocks off when one of them dies.

british are so weird


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would do 'americans are so weird' poll but that would be really fucking lame ha ha

we're weird too i'm not saying we are not weird

putting the special in special relationship

I wish people would get it into their heads that what lunatics say on the BBC website doesn't mean shit to anyone.

― Matt DC, Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:12 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark

I wish I was so optimistic.

Prince Harry obviously has emotional problems. Nice parenting there, Charles.

after watching Grand Torino I don't find calling friends by racist terms as offensive as I once thought. In fact, i cracked up a good bit at all of Clint's racist comments (and so did the rest of theater.. and I don't find it offensive because it really was funny).

btw awesome movie. i love clint eastwood even more now. how is it that he can be so great nowadays?

james may and that wine guy on the wright stuff this morning doing the whole it's short for pakistani routine

I like that they carefully mitigate the use of Paki at length, and then just say "Prince Harry used the term 'raghead' to mean Taleban or Iraqi insurgent". Duh oh silly me I didn't realise it was a technical term that's fine then!!!

surely there is now a big enough dossier of evidence to fire this cunt into the sun

also insulting a guy just for having brown skin is pretty off when you're the ginger bastard son of James fucking Hewitt, glass houses man

ok comment on this news story IS now tolerated, as long as all such comment resembles the above in tone and sentiment

srsly, is there anyone left who doesn't think Prince Harry is a cunt? Why are there still news stories about this?

He's one of our brave boys, not a cunt.

I think that was what the Telegraph said, anyway.

Again it's all bollocks.

It was a slow week and the tabloids needed rubbish to fill their pages.

So let's dig out a three-year-old clip (or let's have an ambulance chasing ex-colleague sell it for beer money) of someone chatting good naturedly about a friend of his, exaggerate out of all rational proportion and formulate pseudo-righteous indignation.

It saves the media from having to address any of the real problems of the world as it stands in 2009.

Because of course those problems don't boost tabloid sales figures.

Whereas the Prince Harry non-affair is...you guessed it...a Good Story.

It was a slow week

what planet are you from?

one without Isreal and Palestine, apparently!

Marcello has a point. Yer typical half-aware newsreader doesn't really give a toss about the Gaza conflict unless there are any big, obvious developments or huge explosions.

presumably marcello means in terms of stories that sell tabloid newspapers.

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Gaza does not sell tabloid newspapers. xpost pileon.

Basically, some cunt who arguably deserves to be shot into the sun used an unfunny nickname on a friend three years ago and we are paying him yet more mind.

Not a slow week so much as an awkward one, for guv'mint and the right wing press... a bit like how Peter Mandelson was wriggling on the hook just before the Brand/Ross I fuck all this gurls thing blew up and pushed everything else back to page 17/after the break.

The media don't give a toss about Gaza unless you put an extra "z" in it.

They are about the three Cs - Circulation, Circulation and Circulation - and the only way they can think of to keep circulation going up is with Good Stories.

This is why you had "Lucy Pinder: I Am A Boring Plank" on the front of one of the other Sundays yesterday (was it the Mirror?).

Tenth rate non-celebrities, drunken broadcasters talking about having consensual sex with an actor's granddaughter or the making of unnecessary demons, whether it's Shoesmith or Matthews - who cares whose life gets wrecked?

As long as it's A Good Story.

(and yes, I'm purely talking about the tabloids since I didn't see much ado being made of the Harry non-incident in the broadsheets)

lol i'd forgotten about marcello's 'relaxed' attitude towards racial epithets.

Nice parenting there, Charles.

You have to give him credit for taking the boy on.

Much, much ado was made on the BBC News/website

BBC News is the rolling royals news channel and website when anything remotely news-worthy (i.e. in a sane world, nothing) occurs to the members of that family.

I don't suppose anyone has been able to get a statement from Ahmed Khan on this yet - did he see the clip before? was it ever said to his face?

no mention of it on Sun home page now, altho article does reveal Harry is to be summoned to what is known in the Army as an “interview without coffee”.

I wish people would get it into their heads that what lunatics say on the BBC website doesn't mean shit to anyone.

― Matt DC, Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:12 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark

Undeniably good for shits and giggles.

seriously and i include ilx in this can everybody shut the fuck up about something prince fucking harry did three fucking years ago

― Goodnight, Mr. Johnson. (country matters), Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

maybe you can set an example!

but mainly the former, LBLH

Clearly the only solution from a PR point of view is a reality TV show in which Harry is sent to Pakistan to hang out with the locals and get a feel for the country, and the locals get to know this fine upstanding member of the British Royal Family and the British Army, the one who was in Afghanistan for a bit. It can only bring the countries closer together.

haha

^^^

http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/C/can_you_believe_it/debates/guide1.html

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She still doesn't believe in God but realises that Islam is a peaceful religion, and does not match the stereotype of 'psychotic fundamentalists'. But she appreciates her life in London where she can express herself in her own way, and believes she has encouraged her generous hostesses to speak more openly, too.

Sounds like Pinefox imo.

It comes to something wheen PHarry's apology is covered by the Daily Mail's front page of "SORRY IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!"

Well of course it isn't, given that he's got nothing to apologise for.

ok, i'll take your word for it, Marcello "Half-caste" Carlin.

Quick newsflash: Baby P official loses sack appeal

There you go. 5 pages on this in every tabloid tomorrow.

ok, i'll take your word for it, Marcello "Half-caste" Carlin.

― Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Monday, January 12, 2009 4:52 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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Well of course it isn't, given that he's got nothing to apologise for.

wtf? You think 'paki' and 'raghead' are acceptable?

remember who you're talking to

James May?

james may and that wine guy on the wright stuff this morning doing the whole it's short for pakistani routine

― admin log special guest star (DG), Monday, January 12, 2009 1:46 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

I mean the fact that this is seemingly acceptable to these dumb-dumbs really depresses me. It's like they don't even know anyone from Pakistan.

This is James May who used to write about the royals for the Mirror, right?

Surely not? This is the James May who is supposed to be the reasonable one on Top Gear.

^^^ this

surprised at how eager matthew wright was to agree with celebrity wine bores and bury the article

Is DJ Mencap thinking of James Whittaker?

Haha shit yeah, sorry for pointless diversion

I like the way people (e.g. Cameron) keep saying it's "not acceptable", like Boris' "watermelon smiles" was "unacceptable" or Prince Philip in general has been "unacceptable". clearly this 'jokey' casual racism is being accepted (or going somewhat unpunished or whatever). i guess people expect better of the younger generation tho granted.

two guys i know/friendly with have used "half-cast" in the last few weeks during conversation (one referring to his own kid!), both in that oblivious "but that's what they are/it's just a figure of speech" way. no-one ever intends it as derogatory (but sure ignorance no excuse).

It's like they don't even know anyone from Pakistan

you say this as if it's unusual to not have a friend from there!

I suppose (maybe) living in Leicester gives me a slightly skewed outlook? But even if you had lived your whole time in (I don't know, a small town in Lincolnshire?) I can't believe anyone of my generation (the sames as Mays) has gone through life without hearing about how people from Pakistan (and Bangladesh and India and Africa) have had that epiphet hurled at them by some halfwit at some point in their lives and they really didn't appreciate it, even as "a joke".

i dont think either term he used is especially great (find it interesting how many TV presenters dont seem to be taking it seriously - if it was 'nigger', im sure theyd be much more solmen about it) but hey, if its army shit talking, then fair enough, although if that IS what it is, then i hope ahmed gets to call harry 'my little honky friend' too in the interest of fairness.

*solemn

Nice parenting there, Charles.

You have to give him credit for taking the boy on.

― Francisco Javier Sánchez Brot (onimo), Monday, 12 January 2009 15:03

*applause*

serious question here... what's your opinion of calling random black dudes 'bro' when you talk to them for the first time?

that is not a serious question

b-but white people call each other bro all the time now! *cries*

serious sockpuppet here

see, I have done it before, and I'm not always sure if it's taken so lightly, but maybe that's just me

i've called white people dawgs also, and they we're sort of like WTF?

were

(Don't worry, Randy Jackson; your identity is safe with us.)

Have you ever called anyone "braheem"? What was their reaction?

so yall have no experience at calling black stranger dudes at bars, bro before. thanks for not answering my question

we come from two different worlds.

You're welcome; good luck on Idol this year!

(I did a good randy jackson impression for an improv assignment once)

you worked it out dogg you worked it out

stranger dudes have happened

Amusing headline oxymoron on the front page of yesterday's Express which pretty well sums up the rank hypocrisy of the whole non-business:

http://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2009-01-12

I read one of those as "EU will grab britain's ass"

xpost myself: Brits be grabbing the new jobs on the way to the airport!

i hope ahmed gets to call harry 'my little honky friend' too in the interest of fairness

Yes, honky and paki are equivalent terms

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7826701.stm

Here we go kids.

hahahahaha happy 2009, UK

look for all we know Dhillon could be a mute who does magic tricks

"Yes, honky and paki are equivalent terms"

its the best i could come up with.

At least now we can have 'sooty' and 'sweep'.

Soot alors

^^^headline writers feel free to use this

Charles - Is He Sootyble to Be King?

Think they should just go with the jug-eared twunt one instead.

Sun will go with 'Soots You, Sir'

Izzy Wizzy Lets Get PC

Looking forward to reading Charles's response to this: "but some of my best servants are Asian..."

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/2009/01/shock_horror_pr.html

why do people think this makes him a normal bloke? or at least, why do people think this part of apparent normalacy is worth aspiring to/preserving?

because they're cunts?

Fun Online Poll: Have you ever used the word 'Paki'?

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No	 16%		19
		
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the use of the word paki is extremely common in Britain, and in the armed forces I'd expect even more so. And with those stationed in Afghanistan I'd expect the use of rag-head to refer to the locals is pretty ubiquitous as well. So in a way I can see people objecting to the singling out of Harry for basically doing what the rest of his contemporaries do. But the main reaction from certain sections seems not to be that, but to argue that paki and rag-head aren't offensive terms. Which really makes the mind boggle.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/01/11/harrys-paki-stand-offensive/

Harry...
Leave dude alone 72%
Racist douchebag 28%
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Yeah everyone I grew up with said it all the time, usually referring to shops run by Asians - some of whom were Pakistanis but no-one really gave a shit. Thankfully many of us grew up, left the 70s, and learned not to be offensive cunts.

Sadly "many" != "most" - I've heard more than a few people claim there's "nothing wrong with calling pakis pakis" in the last couple of days.

by "no-none really gave a shit" I mean no-one even bothered to find out if the "pakis" were from Pakistan.

Todays revelation: Prince Charles' friend used to call him "Daktari" in mocking tones...

I've heard more than a few people claim there's "nothing wrong with calling pakis pakis" in the last couple of days

Did you see the letters page of Scotland's leading broadsheet newspaper yesterday, then? Some disingenuous nonsense of the first order going on there: "I don't mind being called Jock"; "I'm Italian and I got called Tally"; etc. Couple of letters putting the boot in today, but the impression I get -- and this is entirely heuristical and don't quote me on it -- is that the majority of people seem to think that somehow "paki" has become an acceptable term; that it's no longer offensive.

I mean, it's not about the word itself; it's about the cultural associations, the baggage. And any cunt who tells me they're not aware of that is a fucking liar.

(and "Coon" is only short for Raccoon, and they are lovely animals and so on, right?)

i get the same impression as grimly. it reinforces my long-held view that many, many white britons have absolutely no understanding of what racism is at all.

Some disingenuous nonsense of the first order going on there: "I don't mind being called Jock"; "I'm Italian and I got called Tally";

Heh, word. 'How about fuckwit, do you mind if I call you fuckwit instead?'

What a tedious parade of pseudo-righteous indignation.

No genuinely righteous indignation directed towards the tabloids, of course, for publicising private jokes made about friends and making a meal out of them in order to create a Good Story, while at the same time finding it perfectly "acceptable" to victimise migrant workers, asylum seekers and the unemployed.

Stop pretending to be outraged by what members of the Royal Family say when all you care about is boosting your circulation.

And to hell with cravenly complicit politicians and their "find it completely unacceptable" canting.

One hopes that Paul Dacre, Rebekah Wade and Richard Desmond manage to keep their countenance when it happens to them - which, one day, it will do. After all, it would be a Good Story.

And any cunt who tells me they're not aware of that is a fucking liar.

not so much liars as just in denial and stubborn/resistant to anything that can be seen as 'freedom-hampering political correctness'

I'm not going to disagree that the fetid stench of tabloid hypocrisy is astonishing, Marcello. (I was going to point out that someone had already pointed out the irony of the Express front page the other day, but it turns out it was you. Hah.) But, underlying motivation aside (and, y'know, of course selling papers is key there), I'm actually pleased that the tabs have made such a big deal of this; that although the GBP is showing worrying signs of shrugging off racism as something only other people need to worry about, this might just remind a few people that it's still very much out there, all the fucking time. Strange way for it to happen, but sod it.

Of course, I guess an investigation into the institutional racism of the British armed services is too much to hope for.

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private jokes made about friends

I dunno, you kind of think that if you're trying to be chummy with royalty and they call you 'sooty' you sort of have to take it on the chin. Seems to be more along the lines of accepting abuse rather than sharing a laugh together - there is nothing equal in this 'friendship'.

last time i heard someone use this word: i was in Austria watching Czech Republic v Turkey with some random Australian travellers. a couple of them made a few vague negative comments about Turks and the barmaid did the same. i was asking them why they thought that way and got some predictable v generalising/stereotype-based replies. then the barmaid answered "put it this way, how do you feel about Pakis?" which took me aback but i just said "um, no comment" as didn't want to start a big argument. i think there was some uneasiness amongst the others (maybe not the Turk-haters) re her comment but also resignation.

What Grimley said.

I pretty much agree with Carlin. Yes the words are offensive and I would never use them (and haven't really heard them since I was a kid) - but it's a non-story, it's the kind of total BS with which the UK can get worked up while ignoring everything that really matters.

Like the fact that this prick (who should indeed be fired into the sun) is (3rd) in line to be monarch - the fact that we have monarchs, and that any attention is paid to these people - or the fact that we have soldiers in Afghanistan at all. Or the really big story, which is the desperate physical state of the planet Earth.

The way this BS is reported and discussed = utter cant, a kind of looking-glass world of total insignificance, just noise.

barmaid was half-English btw

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But it isn't insignificant. As anyone from Pakistan (or India or Africa) will tell you. This was the default bloody insult for years, and still is if you're unlucky enough to find yourself in a restaurant with some drunken fucks who think they've been overcharged for their lagers. And so, while it may not have been a big deal for Harry Halfaroyal and his chum the fact that every tom, dick and...er...harry has come out of the wooodwork (including - see above - on mainstream daytime tv) with the idea that "paki" is not insulting is significant.

Pinefox: once we live in a better world where such considerations are the order of the day, you'll have a good point. Right now, though, we toil in drudgery, as subjects to a monarchy with which the majority are happy, our taxes supporting wars into which our democratically elected governments have taken us. From a practical point of view, what's your suggestion? REVOLUTION NOW? TAKE TO THE STREETS? Sound: pass the AK-47.

If not, I can only assume it's "pah, everything's so shit that there's no point talking about anything ever because it's all so insignificant", which worries me a little.

NTR OTM, too.

"the desperate physical state of the planet Earth."

um the earth is in a fine physical state.

You've never seen my garden obviously.

You know, it is perfectly possible for Prince Harry and the British tabloid press to both be in the wrong here.

I pretty much agree with Carlin. Yes the words are offensive and I would never use them (and haven't really heard them since I was a kid) - but it's a non-story, it's the kind of total BS with which the UK can get worked up while ignoring everything that really matters.

Like the fact that this prick (who should indeed be fired into the sun) is (3rd) in line to be monarch - the fact that we have monarchs, and that any attention is paid to these people - or the fact that we have soldiers in Afghanistan at all. Or the really big story, which is the desperate physical state of the planet Earth.

The way this BS is reported and discussed = utter cant, a kind of looking-glass world of total insignificance, just noise.

― the pinefox, Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:22 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you are an expert on cant, so i read this with interest.

Leaving aside Frogman's Polyanna world, GF's comment is totally baffling; he / she seems to think I said the opposite of what I said.

I fail to see anything offensive about dressing up in fancy dress for a party or making private lighthearted remarks about friends or colleagues. Neither, seemingly, do the friends or colleagues at whom these remarks were directed.

What I do find offensive is the media blowing up things which were never intended for a public audience because it's a slow week, their readership is plunging through the basement and they need a Good Story.

No one would have given a toss about this or even heard about any of this if NoTW hadn't decided to make an issue out of it as a smokescreen for their inability to grasp and deal with real issues.

read up on the history of the earth if you think it's in some kind of "desperate physical state". how on earth do you define that anyway?

you're being pedantic FH. read it as environmental issues need more attention than this.

personally i'd phrase it rather more urgently as the impending mass extinction of a vast proportion of humanity and the habitable ecosystem for human beings, but if you want to place some tedious and phoney 'earth/environmental' bollocks label on it then yeah, we'll continue not to care.

GF's comment is totally baffling; he / she seems to think I said the opposite of what I said.

Care to explain what you meant, then?

Also: I am male, as every other poster seems to have established some time ago.

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to me that's A1 essential clarification not pedantry. defining these things creates our interest in it.

What I do find offensive is the media blowing up things which were never intended for a public audience because it's a slow week

Dude, be careful where this argument takes you. "Come on, Woodward and Bernstein, that was never intended for a public audience ..."

(To elucidate: to me, what you're saying is basically "we're all going to hell in a handcart; is this really so important? Is anything? Ochone, ochone!", which is unhelpfully reductive unless you're going to come up with an awesome Pinefox plan to save the planet, stat. Failing that, you could always engage with the discussion, perhaps for the reasons Ned T eloquently explains.)

Like the fact that this prick (who should indeed be fired into the sun) is (3rd) in line to be monarch - the fact that we have monarchs, and that any attention is paid to these people - or the fact that we have soldiers in Afghanistan at all. Or the really big story, which is the desperate physical state of the planet Earth.

The thing is, Prince Charles might conceivably play a hugely important role in pushing environmentalism up the agenda, but he does make it difficult to take him seriously when he's dropping the soot-bomb on his pals.

(That last one of mine was to Pinefox, natch: sorry, confusing myself with my own sequence of posts.)

Prince Charles might conceivably play a hugely important role in pushing environmentalism up the agenda

Sadly, I think the more that cockshaft talks about it, the less people will listen. If I was an unreasonable, angry sort, I'd say he's set the cause of environmentalism back 50 years or so, simply because he's so fucking absurd that you couldn't blame people for doing the opposite of anything he said.

But I'm not, so I won't.

"Prince Charles might conceivably play a hugely important role in pushing environmentalism up the agenda"

and here's another example: his brand of "environmentalism" would deny millions the chance to have food when they are unable to 'organically' grow their own. pretending to give a fuck about the "environment" but not the human beings who exist within it: classic or dud?

Good luck UK!

Of course the media have zero interest in humanity going to hell, regardless of the mode of transport.

Their function is to entertain their readers with Good Stories. Regardless of whose lives get hurt or destroyed.

If a Bernstein or Woodward emerged in British journalism now they'd be told to can it and do 600 words about Cheryl Cole's favourite fishcake by 9 am tomorrow.

But this sort of speculative ambulance chasing/fake outrage should be banned.

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Surely it's newsworthy that the 1st and 3rd in line to the throne refer to people as pakis, ragheads, sooty and the like? Why shouldn't people be interested in the attitudes of those whose extravagant lifestyles they massively subsidise?

Of course ilx has zero interest in the real issues at stake; insulting Macello Carlin is simply done because it is A Good Story.

Sadly, I think the more that cockshaft talks about it, the less people will listen

Yeah, actually listening to what he has to say is probably not to be recommended, but there's a fair chance that he could bump the issues up a notch or two in the media, y'know? Once he's head of state, like.

the uk will be underwater before he ascends the throne.

No, it's not newsworthy at all, except to HYS types who sit in front of their PC/TV/radio waiting to be offended or self-righteous bores.

Eventually, of course, no one will be allowed to say anything, privately or publicly, that is likely to offend anyone else. If we go down that road we might as well vote in the Nazis now and have done with it.

What people say in private is their own business and nobody else's.

No righteous outrage at the people who sold these things to the tabloids, either, I note.

What are the "issues at stake" here again? That the media value non-stories that sell papers over worthy issues that don't? That they're hypocritical? That most things that appear on the front of the Sun are less important than dozens of things going on around the world?

Is there a single person on this thread who doesn't know all that already and needs it all spelt out to them? Christ. This is sub-student level 'debate'.

might as well vote in the Nazis now and have done with it.

Yes, reporting on the Royals' racist epithets is the rocky road to Nazism.

If we're going to object to racist remarks by publicly funded individuals we might as well vote in the Nazis now and have done with it. Find a flaw in that logic I dare you.

That's it, I'm voting Nazi.

What's the point in voting for anyone when the earth is only going to get sucked into the sun eventually?

What's the point of living in a world when you can't call someone a paki in the privacy of your own kingdom. Nazis, sucked into the sun, it's all the same.

The headlines on that day will probably be about some Royal saying 'darkie' on Big Brother, instead of the earth getting sucked into the sun.

You want to know why?

It's A Good Story.

If we go down that road we might as well vote in the Nazis now and have done with it.

I haer Harry has his own Nazi uniform--I hope he stages a coup and saves me the trouble of voting.

Then the earth will get sucked into the front page of the Sun.

I must've missed reading about which country voted the Nazis into power.

That was us, by not caring about The Real Issues.

Oh right. They never mentioned it on Big Brother's Big Mouth.

The Sun front page is pretty fucked up. they put a speech bubble on Dhillon calling Charles "big ears". both should sue.

IMHO if you're going to support a monarchy (which presumably The Sun still does) you should fear their powers too much to hurl such insults about.

Blueski posting from 1632 there.

Also traditionally the heir to the throne is fair game until he/she's actually head of state, that's when the toady reflex kicks in.

do it properly if you're gonna do it

they do have this helpful guide tho

Origins of Sooty
THE term “sooty” was used in America in the 1950s during a time of great racial tension.

The slur has mainly died out in Britain. The dictionary definition of sooty is “blackest black; similar to the colour of jet or coal”.

In the kids’ telly show, Sooty is a yellow teddy glove puppet while Sweep is a grey dog.

Richard Cadell, puppeteer for kids’ favourite Sooty, refused to comment.

He said: “Sooty does not want to get involved in a race row.”

Where does the term "racist shitfuckers" originate from?

The Sun's report also contains this fine quote:

One member said: “Charles, his boys and other members, have called this chap Sooty because it is his nickname and he’s perfectly compatible with it.

“They’re no more racists than I am. I use the word to address this chap when I see him too.”

"perfectly compatible"

If the racist epithet fits.

lol Jane Moore

5 quid says Charlie's polo club nickname is "Tampax".

Do you agree with Jane? Have your say below.

YES I THINK HARRY SHOULD TAKE A BULLET

They were merely a misguided attempt to appear one of the lads in the hothouse confines of the Armed Forces — in the same, off-the-cuff way a black soldier might teasingly refer to “my honky friend”.

Out of interest, has anyone on this thread ever been called a honky? I never have, and I work in a hothouse atmosphere for sure.

We lived next door to Rudolph Walker in the 1970s so I got called honky a lot then.

They were merely a misguided attempt to appear one of the lads in the hothouse confines of Armed Forces — in the same, off-the-cuff way Andy Williams might teasingly refer to “my huckleberry friend”.

Charles, his boys and other members, have called this chap Sooty because it is his nickname

God, I wish I'd thought of that logic when I was at school. "No, miss, we were calling you Fatty Bollocks because it's your nickname, see?"

miss, we were calling you Fatty Bollocks

Shurely shome mishtake?

No, we really did have a female teacher whose nickname was Fatty Bollocks. God, it sounds so quaint now. LOL minor-private-school poshos.

it was a simpler time

a time when you could call your servant sooty without it being all over the yellow press

Other great teacher nicknames: Thropper, Mr Smell, Pitt, Cheesecake, Peanut. God. (That last one was an exasperated interjection, not a nickname.)

could have been worse.

could have called him Sweep!

Thinking about this, I'm beginning to wonder now if I ever went to school at all; if my entire education wasn't actually a sub-par invention of Anthony Buckeridge.

These are the Real Issues that Marcello was banging on about!

Sort of predictable and boring but this was in the Independent:

Lady Sara Apsley waded into the latest row today and urged against "royal- bashing".

Lady Apsley, who hosts Cirencester Polo Club on 3,000 acres at Cirencester Park, told the Gloucestershire Echo she too had called Mr Dhillon "Sooty" for years.

She said: "Sooty is a fantastic friend of ours and he couldn't care less about his nickname.

"We all have enormous respect and liking for him. He's comfortable in his own skin and certainly doesn't have a chip on his shoulder.

"I imagine there are millions of people across the world called names with racial intonations but they're not meant maliciously.

"I'm sick and tired of all this. Being PC has got so ridiculous - you can't say anything now. Where is our freedom of speech?"

Lady Apsley, the daughter of Lord Bathurst, who runs a farming business on the 15,000-acre Cirencester Park estate, also leapt to the Prince's defence.

She said: "We should really focus on who released that private home video which started all of this - it's an invasion of privacy.

"Harry is one of the kindest, loveliest, most fun and relaxed young gentlemen I've had the pleasure to know."

Tagged: relaxed, fun, gentleman, pleasure

home video

a time when you could call your servant sooty without it being all over the yellow press

a time when you could kick a half-caste in the street

Where is our freedom of speech?

Good point. You overprivileged, intellectual-lightweight fucking cunt.

its about time we got rid of these parasitic shits isn't it.

The way that story's worded (ie going in on the name) ... am I meant to know who this fucking woman even is?

nevermind who she is, check out how much land she owns! and how much daddy owns!

I'm surprised there isn't a serf count too.

Charlie don't serf

thread needs a bobby gillespie impersonation, urgently

Welcome to the late entry of "politics of envy" on this thread.

I'm just off to my lawyers to sue everyone who called me a greasy wop at school. I could probably buy Zavvi with the proceeds!

You were racially abused therefore racial abuse is ok? Don't follow the logic.

Being PC has got so ridiculous - you can't say anything now

The first part of this sentence I have heard this for the last 15 years at least. The second part for about twice as long, and I suspect if I could be bothered I could find someone in Ancient Greece complaining saying it. What a boon it was for racists and homophobes to be able to add the first part to the second part and thus excuse whatever shit they have just spewed forth.

What people say in private is their own business and nobody else's.

I just don't agree. What is private? Certainly Charles doesn't only call his friend "Sooty" in private. If I'm at a party and someone says something racist, I'm going to tackle them about it, sorry, I don't care if it's "private". Harry clearly said this within earshot of non-"Pakis" and got a good giggle out of it no doubt.

I think MC's saying it's ok to be racist if you didn't intend anyone to find out.

(apart from other racists, obv. since they're the ones you're trying to amuse)

How much of a racist does it make you if you say something racist in a scrap? I mean, I don't know how much people tend to chat while they're punching and being punched, but if they do they'd be likely to use any characteristic of the other person as bizarre grounds for abuse I reckon. I could imagine saying "Take that, ya ginger bum", or "You're going down, fatso", or "Leave me alone, ya cock-eyed whore", and I don't have anything against these things.
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It would be nice if the tabloids would be as assiduous in tracking down casual racism in places like Barking, Blackburn and Bolton, just to stick to the "B"s. Or indeed the far more perfidious endemic racism which still exists in most workplaces.

But then that wouldn't be as good a story as having an easy go at high profile figures.

Welcome to the late entry of "politics of envy" on this thread

Envy? Not at all. Class-informed fucking loathing, absolutely.

grimly OTM!

marcello, why are you so royalist? are you Harry in disguise?

It would be nice if the tabloids would be as assiduous in tracking down casual racism in places like Barking, Blackburn and Bolton, just to stick to the "B"s. Or indeed the far more perfidious endemic racism which still exists in most workplaces

This is absolutely fucking OTM, though, yes -- as I said above, it'd be nice if the Harry furore was followed up simply with an investigation of wider racism within the army. Maybe that'll still happen, but I very much doubt it.

I certainly don't recall the tabloids making anything like this fuss over the Ali Dizaei and Tarique Ghaffur cases, both of which have far deeper implications.

Well, of course not. And you know exactly why that is!

On which note:

Yeah, actually listening to what he has to say is probably not to be recommended, but there's a fair chance that he could bump the issues up a notch or two in the media, y'know? Once he's head of state, like

Yes, you're right. Assuming mummy abdicates/dies before he loses his slight grip on reality completely, of course.

he has a grip on reality? Who knew...

http://gothamist.com/2009/01/14/baby_hitler_taken_from_parents.php

Where was the baby hitler birthday cake thred?

Fuck you, Carlin. Racism is not an either/or. People can care bout every single fucking issue you ant to name, and still think that people who call people 'pakis' are scum.

still lolling at "politics of envy"

you ant to name

Well there's Adam but then it gets a bit tricky.

Yeah, sorry about that Marcello, it was wrong to tell you to fuck off. I was mostly annoyed after having spent the evening in a bar with lots of people loudly using racist language, and nearly getting beaten up when I asked them to tone it down (NB: don't do this to drunk rugby players, they really don't like it). Also, I never usually refer to any people as 'scum' - rather it is a scummy thing to do. So yeah, sorry again.

^ political correctness gone mad

^^ political correctness gone feral

this thread is def showing green shoots of recovery

Only green shoots I'm seeing, is the government shooting it's green policies in the foot, he quipped