Le Tigre Fans React to Wolf Eyes

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― Shake Your Halo Down! (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Blah blah Wolf Eyes all the time I'm goin out of my mind Wolf Eyes (all the time)

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Split Cds were stupid in 95 they didn't get any better by now

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Take my pic off this now btw

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh, what does this have to do with split cds?

― Shake Your Halo Down! (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait and see

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you a moron?

― Shake Your Halo Down! (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

That's something of a loaded question, Jon!

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Shake Your Halo Down! (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

THAT'S what Le Tigre looks like????

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

that's right Jon the dumb girls cannot handle the BLINDING TRUTH OF WOLF EYES

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

As far as I'm concerned, Wolf Eyes can suck my toes, because that is the only use I have for experimental musicians. The end.

― People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - because they think they're "TOO MACHO."

there is nothing experimental about Wolf Eyes.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

RUBBISH EYES

― Ade (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

ouch! please hammer, don't hurt 'em!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Regardless, he can sucXor my toes coz I ain't listening to his music!

Le Tigre, neither, except, erm, I don't want any of them sucking my toes, though.

― People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

MCLUSKY SUX U R ALL GAY!

ADE: Don't you like the T.Gristle?

― Shake Your Halo Down! (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - but JD is cute!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

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um yeah, i had a phase where i was kinda into Tgrist, c93, SPK etc. I've never heard Wolf Eyes.

― Ade (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

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duhr

― Ade (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

if you like that stuff there's a good chance you'd like Wolf Eyes.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Shake Your Halo Down! (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Shake Your Halo Down! (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

is this one of those threads where an emo beard is required?

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

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has a better hat, so there!

(unfortunately, the pink lights wash out his pale little blonde beard)

― People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's the beard. He's got my glasses and all! Sheesh! Yes, I know everyone on ILX has those same glasses, but these are the same weird turquoise colour as mine!

http://honey.main.jp/delays/photo/200312tokyo/aaron.jpg

― People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

British people like emo geeks in 2004?!?! How 1999

― Shake Your Halo Down! (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Only ironically.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I get to see McLusky tonight! (the band, not me)

― Shake Your Halo Down! (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

This was better w/just me and H*I*M

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

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― I LOVE CLUB BANG!@@! ELECTRO RULES (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

j0hn i kss u

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Aren't "Le Tigre" fans really the female equivalent of male "Wolf Eyes" fans?

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

equivalent facial hair.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

the female equivalent of wolf eyes fans = gravy train fans.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

ZING

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Ian has heard GRAVY TRAIN?

― BRRRRR (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

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― BRRRRR (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

ew. gravy train. go away!

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

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― BRRRRR (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd fuck that girl and steal her cure shirt.

i haven't actually heard gravytrain, but a bunch of lame girls are into it.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

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― BRRRRR (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

so by that logic "wolf eyes" is what the lame guys are into?

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

a moment of clarity

― Ade (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

exactly.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

is not a-courtin' music

― sexxxyNeuromancer, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread saddens me.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

those are some ill sexist precepts, indeed. how disappointed your mother must be.

― Riot Grrl Task Force, Thursday, 24 June 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Many rap fans are black

― jw (orion), Thursday, 24 June 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Ian c=====8 (orion), Thursday, 24 June 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

those are some ill sexist precepts, indeed. how disappointed your mother must be.
-- Riot Grrl Task Force (misogynyisabitc...), June 24th, 2004.

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What, sexism on ILM? That never happens.... ;)

Nice Barbie art, though. I prefer to be depicted as a Cher doll (dating myself here) or one of the Homiez.

Sara

― Sara Sherr, Thursday, 24 June 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, how are this sexist? there is pictures of guys up there! le tigre have many female fans

― BRRRRR (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh, well for starters, by implying that Le Tigre fans are a (mostly) buncha airheaded Barbies who can't worry their pretty little heads over the complexities of Wolf Eyes. Or something like that.

Getting involved with ILM threads is kind of like Daria sitting between Beavis and Butthead. Eventually, you have to tell them to oscillate their weiners and get up off the couch.

But what do I know? I'm just a Le Tigre fan who couldn't possibly like Wolf Eyes too. That never happens.

I really did like the art though. The images would have cracked me up if not for the captions. Are they more like Le Tigre's or Wolf Eyes' music?

Nevermind, I'm gonna go watch VH-1 now and wait for my head to explode.

― Sara Sherr, Thursday, 24 June 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah but Beavis and Butthead are MUCH funnier than Daria, don't be unfair on yrself

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Sara Sherr, there's like two barbie images which I picked for the clothing and posture mostly. You're reading too much into this. Also, Barbie dolls doing stuff is funny. If it makes you feel better, I'll do one of these about Sonic Youth's fanbase and portray them as aging indie fuxxxxxxxx

― BRRRRR (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah do! We're balding and stuff! And uh for the record Sara I love LT's first record

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I'm balding too. And I like Wolf Eyes.

― Sara Sherr, Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes but do you like Andrew WK?

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

b-b-but andrew daria herself was often the least funny thing about "daria"!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 24 June 2004 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Kevin and Britney! I'd watch THAT (well besides I watch Daria a fair bit anyway)

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

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Wolf Eyes fans prepare to repel dangerously populist music

― Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 24 June 2004 07:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Jacob, I kiss you.

― BRRRRR (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

why can't wolf eyes and le tigre be seen as equally bad?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Le Tigre had one good record, that's why

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

so did wolf eyes!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

people sure do get het up whenever le tigre is mentioned tho

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

pun sadly not intended

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Which is Wolf Eyes' good record? Cos Andrew WK's love for them kinda makes me want to give them a go
xpost that'd have been brilliant, Jess

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

le tigre had at least two good records, if you count the "from the desk of mr lady" ep.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

also "feminist sweepstakes" isn't THAT bad.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like that one either, YES IT IS if only in comp to the s/t

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

you don't like "mediocrity rules" or "bang bang" or "get off the internet"?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I only recall "Mediocrity Rules" and I don't like it at all, too lyricfocussed or something

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

you can hardly even make out the lyrics!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

also "LT tour theme" and "FYR" are at LEAST as good as anything on the debut.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I AM glad you think so (really!) but to me Tour theme feels like an attempt at another "Deceptacon" or whatever, too selfconcious. And the lyric thing, well I can make them out and the music's kinda dull. TO ME.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I don;'t get it, what's the connection between Wolf Eyes and Le Tigre?

Am I just being blonde?

― mei (mei), Thursday, 24 June 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(chill out andrew, i'm hardly saying you HAVE to like these records or anything, but it'd be a bit boring if we were all sitting around going "now this is just my opinion and your mileage may differ and i mean no offense to you by saying this but (etc)", no?)

are WE and LT touring together or something?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Wolf Eyes and Le Tigre are opening for Sonic Youth

― BRRRRR (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I am chilled, I just get sick of how arrogant all my posts look. TO ME. I really wish I liked FS, but listening to it the first time was a scarily scary and sad experience.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

that sounds like my first experience with "one beat," actually.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you still hate it?

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

no, i quite like it now, but the first time around i was seriously bummed out that i didn't like it because i was going to see them TWICE in the next two days. hearing the material live helped, though.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh fuck they should come back here, I won't even annoy Corin this time

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"why can't wolf eyes and le tigre be seen as equally bad?
-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyl...), June 24th, 2004 5:07 AM."

OTMFM.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Ben, you like Dave Matthews.

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon, I'm not saying I think either act is bad, I'm just saying I like the logic that one shouldn't be assumed to be better than the other automatically...

Besides, Jon - re: Dave Matthews, I'm open to arguments against them. Why don't you name some reasons why they are so bad and hated. Somebody around here should.

(I knew I never should have let that tidbit slip. Goddamn it!)

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Haven't heard Wolf Eyes, but man, Gravy Train...even worse than Peaches!

― Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Peaches with Gravy:
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Lunch is servved.

― lunchyMuncher, Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I like both bands. (NOT Gravy Train though, hell no.)

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Where is all this Wolf Eyes backlash coming from?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Yea, I think most of these kids have never heard Wolf Eyes

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The kids on this thread or the theoretical kids at the Sonic Youth shows?

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

either. Have you heard Wolf Eyes, you DMB loving fuck?

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

ps - I like Le Tigre.

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

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― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

So I just read that Kathleen "I guess We're just hypocrites because we like to get our kicks" Hanna has been dating King AdRock? The mind boggles. There's two people I wouldn't mind seeing at the ass end of a rake attack.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike Watt to thread

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

They've been dating for a long time, IIRC. I think they're very visibly in the crowd together at the SNL 25th anniversary show, which was years ago.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

how lame

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I was gonna say, I think they're practically married at this point.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Jeez, Jonathan, I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
I have heard Wolf Eyes, and I've seen 'em live. Same with Le Tigre (though I don't like them as much as Wolf Eyes). I have also seen the Dave Matthews Band. And Lightning Bolt, at a basement show. And I have seen The Spin Doctors. And Nation of Ulysses, twice.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

you so crazy

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's safe to say that Kathleen Hanna likes to party.

― hexxyMancer, Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Well played, then.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

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― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw the Replacements once. It was around the time that their first major label album came out. They were OK. One of my favorite ever rock and roll on TV moments was when the Replacements were on Saturday Night Live. At the end of one of their songs, the original guitarist (Bob Stinson, right?), who was wearing a dress, threw his guitar and then made this totally great, ridiculous GESTURE. This was almost as good as when X played on SNL once. At the end of their song, John Doe turned his bass around and held it up. He had taped a big sign on the back of it that said "ADIOS."

If Wolf Eyes ever played on SNL, would they do something so awesome???

― Tim Ellison, Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

uhhh they wouldn't suck shit and felch husker du?

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Those were great gestures, jON.

― Tim Ellison, Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

jon you know damn well i've heard wolf eyes

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

baking soda!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

that's next week's column, dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I really seriously do like Wolf Eyes (no joke).

― Thor, Thursday, 24 June 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

violatin' copyright (another thread):

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May 3, 2004

US PRODUCER CAPACITY*

American Soda, Parachute, Colo. 150,000

Church & Dwight, Green River, Wyo. 220,000

Church & Dwight, Old Fort, Ohio 280,000

FMC, Green River, Wyo. 90,000

Natrium Products, Cortland, N.Y. 15,000

Natural Soda, Rifle, Colo. 125,000

Total 880,000

*Short tons per year of sodium bicarbonate. Sodium carbonate is either soda ash-based, where sodium carbonate is reacted with carbon dioxide, or solution mined from nahcolite (natural sodium bicarbonate) using hot water that is injected into the ground formation.

DEMAND
2002: 562,000 short tons; 2003: 577,000 short tons; 2007: 637,000 short tons, projected. Demand equals production plus imports (2002: 16,000 short tons; 2003: 17,000 short tons) less exports (2002: 69,000 short tons; 2003: 67,000 short tons).

PRICE
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GROWTH
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USES
Food, 33 percent; animal feed, 27 percent; pharmaceuticals and personal care, 9 percent; cleaning products, 8 percent; chemicals, 8 percent; water treatment, 6 percent; paint blast media, 3 percent; fire extinguishers, 2 percent; miscellaneous (including oil well drilling, pulp and paper, leather tanning), 4 percent.

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WEAKNESS
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OUTLOOK
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― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahahahaha:-)

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

just trying to help out.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw Ronnie James Dio in concert once, at the Medina Entertainment Center. Love/Hate opened up. For awhile, I was worried that he wasn't going to do "Man on the Silver Mountain", but then he did. It was a pretty fun night.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 24 June 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I think what I was trying to say last night that I liked the Barbie art, but why assume Le Tigre fans would hate Wolf Eyes? That's all. No biggie.

Replacements on SNL: I remember seeing them on there and at the end of the night when everyone waves goodbye and gets all huggy kissy, the cast basically ignored them.

Not really balding, like the first Le Tigre album best, but they're better live, don't like Andrew WK, don't know how to feel about Wolf Eyes,
Sara

― Sara Sherr, Thursday, 24 June 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I assume Nelly fans don't like Wolf Eyes

― jw (allocryptic), Thursday, 24 June 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

JON LIKES NELLY.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

LIKES likes?

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 24 June 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

The point of my post about the bands I've seen was not meant to be "crazy"; it was meant to suggest that you can never assume that one band's fans will automatically hate another band. And in this case, people got testy because they seemed to think Jon was suggesting that Le Tigre's fans would be too dumb to "get" Wolf Eyes or something. I doubt Jon meant that at all, but that's how it came off to some people here.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

thhere is why it came off like that: le tigre is one of the only prominent all-lady bands on that level (especially with explicitly noted pro-woman agenda) and B. jon posted, with no disclaimer or explanation: Barbie photos, photos of average looking/enthusiastic teen girls, photo of woman wearing Cure shirt (followed by other guy's post about wanting to "fuck her & steal her shirt"--whether meant ironically or not, it's still a fucked up thing to say) plus the assumption that le tigre fanbase (who, to take a guess based on LT shows I've been to, largely consist of women) won't GET/or will be AFRAID OF Wolf Eyes (whose fanbase, also based on WE shows i've been to, largely consists of men).

AdRock and KHanna have been together for nine years. Both of them have surely changed as people from their early, pop-cult defining days.
The members of Fugazi do not live in a punk house together eating brown rice.

bye

― rg task force, Friday, 25 June 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Wolf Eyes were really boring live.

― David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 25 June 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

you're much more boring alive

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 25 June 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, RG Task Force said it better than I ever will...

― Sara Sherr, Friday, 25 June 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

HEY VIDEO GAMES?
IT BOYS V GIRLS NIITE!

― wrecksyDaisy, Friday, 25 June 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I posted pictures of guys portrayed as Le Tigre fans you backpedaling nit.

Also, THEY'RETOOMACHO

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Friday, 25 June 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not the nit who started this thread. The pics were mostly girls, RG's gotta a point.

Who's too macho? Speak English. Or go get laid or something.

― Sara Sherr, Friday, 25 June 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

uhhh, the "too macho" thing is a running joke about wolf eyes. sao what's your point? am i sexist because i pointed out that many le tigre fans are female?

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Friday, 25 June 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

also, why are you looking for a fight so badly? its not like I'm the kkk or even a republican

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Friday, 25 June 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Re-read RG's post...

― Sara Sherr, Friday, 25 June 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

jon is the kkk's only representative in Rhode Island.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 25 June 2004 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

rgwc = riot grrrrl when convenient.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 25 June 2004 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Getting involved with ILM threads is kind of like Daria sitting between Beavis and Butthead.

Yeah, it is sometimes. Also, I don't think Wolf Eyes are real. Where is the evidence?

― daria g (daria g), Friday, 25 June 2004 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I rearead her post and it basically said blah blah blah Le Tigre blah blah

Hey I know Le Tigre is all female and I know what I posted.

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Friday, 25 June 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Wolf Eyes were really boring live.

I noticed a tape labeled "TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE."
Ever since I've been able to reproduce any Wolf Eyes recording by myself.

― Thor, Friday, 25 June 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Wolf Eyes were really bad the first time I saw them live, but really good all of the other times. SO THERE NYAH NYAH blah blah blah..

hey, daria, what do you do in Providence? here sucks.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

You know that Chappelle bit about "what if the internet were a real place?" Well if it were, a lot of you would have broken noses.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 26 June 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Getting involved with ILM threads is kind of like Daria sitting between Beavis and Butthead. Eventually, you have to tell them to oscillate their weiners and get up off the couch.

OTfuckingM

Also, ANY attempt at a real conversation about gender issues is doomed before it starts for the same reason.

― Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 26 June 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I knew what I was doing in Providence. Unfortunately, that's kind of undecided at the moment. I don't like Providence very much. It's a long story. Are Wolf Eyes playing in town soon?

― daria g (daria g), Saturday, 26 June 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think what I was trying to say last night that I liked the Barbie art, but why assume Le Tigre fans would hate Wolf Eyes? That's all. No biggie.

Because it was funny. Because it's amusing to transgress, especially when what we're transgressing especially offends those for whom insight lags behind dogma. for instance:

followed by other guy's post about wanting to "fuck her & steal her shirt"--whether meant ironically or not, it's still a fucked up thing to say
Its possible for that to be interpreted as a very sweet statement. I know men and women who've fucked others and stolen their shirts under very touching circumstances. I mean... it can be easy to reduce things by the art of semiotics to easily read, polarised polemics, but it can also be really bloody pointless.
(especially considering how funny the picture of the kid with the pink scarf is.)

― matthew james (matthew james), Saturday, 26 June 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

saw the Replacements once. It was around the time that their first major label album came out. They were OK. One of my favorite ever rock and roll on TV moments was when the Replacements were on Saturday Night Live. At the end of one of their songs, the original guitarist (Bob Stinson, right?), who was wearing a dress, threw his guitar and then made this totally great, ridiculous GESTURE. This was almost as good as when X played on SNL once. At the end of their song, John Doe turned his bass around and held it up. He had taped a big sign on the back of it that said "ADIOS."

If Wolf Eyes ever played on SNL, would they do something so awesome???

-- Tim Ellison (timejeanne...), June 24th, 2004.

uhhh they wouldn't suck shit and felch husker du?

-- People love Gravity and Ebullition! (Jonathan(dot)William...), June 24th, 2004.

Friend, it has occured to me that you did not, in fact, answer my question in this exchange.

― Tim Ellison, Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Wolf Eyes would definitely do something awesome. It might involve flaming contact mics and their giant gong???

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

they have two gongs which is TWO more than the replacements

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Sunday, 27 June 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/universalmotown/universal/le_tigre/video/00_newkicks.asx

Le Tigre is so cheesy

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. Cheesey. Well-meaning, but just kinda too much. It just sounds like a remix of Pacifica radio!

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

kathleen hannah always sucked. it's about her attitude and politics -- not her music, which is pretty freaking mediocre.

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I disagree, Jack. I think that her politics are pretty typical Pacifica/university lefty stuff, but she's done some songs which are way above average ("Deceptacon," "Hot Topic," "Get Off The Internet," "Feels Blind," "Valley Girl Intelligentsia," "Tres Bien," "Well Well Well," "Keep On Livin," "LT Tour Theme").

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

watch the video

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree that her politics are also mediocre gender whatever. for me the whole package was and always has been a big snore without anything special about it whatsoever.

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Bikini Kill, but fuck Ms. Hannah.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i love le tigre and kathleen, but new kicks is lame.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry for the question, but were Bikini Kill the band who wrote a song titled _White Boy_ (or something like that)? Generally I don't judge songs by their political content, but I felt a bit embarrassed when I listened to it.

― Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, the link doesn't work for me!!

― mei (mei), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

that video reminds me of a 'public service announcement' you'd see in between saturday morning cartoons.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img49.photobucket.com/albums/v151/bettymariebarnes/summertimefun/4.jpg

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

c'mon, they're shootin' hoops!

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

i thought of this thread on friday night with both le tigre and wolf eyes played in philadelphia.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.cmj.com/articles/display_article.php?id=3547222

WOLF EYES: Negative Feedback
"A.F.I. girls really hate us," says John Olson, electronics mutilator for Ann Arbor throbbing pukeskronkers Wolf Eyes, who faced a heckling murder of the Hot Topic-clad crowchicks during a recent tour with supporters Sonic Youth. "The worst was in Seattle and there was a whole pocket of 'em, just flipping out before we even played a non-note. They don't realize that makes us play better."

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Monday, 1 November 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

electronics mutilator for Ann Arbor throbbing pukeskronkers Wolf Eyes

haha

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 1 November 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

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