S/D: Allmusic.com features

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S: The obvious things, genre overviews, formal connections, etc.

D: The overabundance of Richie Unterberger's writing
The outdated look and feel of the site
Its limited search engine capabilities
Lack of message boards for entries (as seen on imdb.com)
Dodgy ratings for shitty/great albums

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

And the useless freelance reviews from that one guy in Costa Mesa. Fucker.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

They're the worst.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Allmusic.com is really useful (i.e., I use it every day at work), though not especially reliable when it comes to facts (i.e., record labels, which seem totally sloppy on there) and not reliable at all when it comes to reviews not that I care about that much (though "Dodgy ratings for shitty/great albums" is completely subjective, obviously), plus the writing half-assed in most cases. Still, the "problems" mentioned above don't especially bug me. How exactly is its look "outdated"? And why would being "not outdated" necessarily make it any BETTER? The site *looks* fine to me. Also, what kind of searches can't you do on the site? I'm not arguing there; I've just never encountered searches like that. Usually, if I want to search for something, it seems pretty easy to find there. And what would you use "message boards" for? What would be their point?

chuck, Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not being argumentative (for a change, maybe); I just find complaints like the ones above kind of dumbfounding. To me, amg seems more or less fine for what it sets out to be. But maybe I don't use it the way other way people use it, which might explain matters.

chuck, Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, does ANYBODY read amg for listening advice? Dumb question, I know; people obviously do. I guess it just seems odd that anybody would take it at all seriously, as a buying guide or whatever...Their reviews don't even SEEM like reviews to me. They have no personality to them and never seem to have much conviction. They just seem like, um, cataloguing or something. Though I guess they try to be something more. Or do they? I forget. (I'm procrastinating from getting actual work done right now, if you haven't already figured that out.) I do know my kids go on there sometimes and click on artists that are supposedly similar to artists they like, which again I know is somewhat laughable since the artists are often not similar at all, but I've always thought that's a GOOD thing, since it can expand people's listening. Or whatever. Okay, um, I gotta get back to work.

chuck, Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think the site has been visually updated in years now and I guess because I'm a designer, I take notice of "ugly" elements like:

http://www.allmusic.com/i/jumpbar_alb.gif
http://www.allmusic.com/i/Comments.gif
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200_web/drp100/p199/p19985nn3ka.jpg

I just find it to be very first generation looking. Things could probably be organized a bit better and made to look more modern than they are right now. I mean.. it doesn't render it useless or mean that it's a big "problem" for me. It's more just a minor annoyance is all.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I really wish you could select albums by release date. I mean, it does this for birthdays (Taylor Hanson was born a full fifty years after Quincy Jones), so why not release dates? Also, it would be nice if the "Appears on" could be sorted chronologically instead of just alphabetically by artist.

E. (ebb), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Also a few more things

The site is too anglophone oriented. Most of the artists whose language is not English are lazily reviewed and categorized, eg. Is "latin" the most precise you can get to describe all music sung in spanish? Also, there is a general disdain for dance and pop (as opposed to rock).Finally, the "related albums" section is rubbish.

Ned's reviews are great though!

daavid, Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

And no, I don't take it that seriously for listening advice. I use it more as a tool for more factual information. If I'm downloading music then I might search for some of the songs they've deemed highlightable (w/ a checkmark) but that's usually as far as it goes these days. (x-post)

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever happened to the essays they used to have? I can't find them anywhere now.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, so now it's AMG's fault that Lou Reed is ugly? Believe me, I've seen MUCH uglier pictures of him than that one!

And how would you search by release dates? Like, "Hmmm, I wonder which Nazareth album came out on October 9, 1974?" Somehow I've never had the urge to do such a search, but hey, I'm not everybody...

As for the rock over pop (or Latin etc) thing, I think the problem might be that rock is what most hacks who write about music LIKE. Again, that sucks for sure, always has. But it's hardly AMG's fault. (Also, I bet there are certain KINDS of rock that AMG does less perfunctorialy than other kinds, just like with all critijism. But I've never really read the reviews much, again, so maybe I'm wrong.)

chuck, Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

F. I did a search for "AMG" and none of that crap came up.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Lousy piece of junk.

"Find threads from I Love Music, containing AMG.
None found"

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

search can't cope with 3 letters or less

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

>>I think the problem might be that rock is what most hacks who write about music LIKE. Again, that sucks for sure, always has. But it's hardly AMG's fault.<<

This is bullshit, of course; I'm totally letting them off the hook -- obviously, they should search out people who CAN write intelligently about pop, Latin, etc. But I guess I've never noticed that their rock stuff was in any way brilliant either, so, um, you know. I guess my point is that they're just doing what most music publications have ALWAYS done. And why would anybody *expect* them to be any better?

chuck, Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the dance music reviews are quite good!! unlike many other online forums it seems to have no biases for or against "functional" or "intelligent / listening" electronic music. same for "street" vs "undie" rap ... there's not a real strong editorial bent. it just seems like the people reviewing different genres (say, andy k and john bush and jason birchmeier etc etc for dance) are dedicated fans of the material, and i appreciate that...

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

And why would anybody *expect* them to be any better?

Omnipresence and market force or something (the hookups with Microsoft, Barnes and Noble, etc.). I'm flattered that some people do like my reviews and I've tried to do what I can with them but at the same time I don't hold any airs about them -- if people like them and do investigate albums because of them, great. But I don't know, if the choice was between this review and this review, which would you think works better? (You may feel free to say 'neither,' of course. ;-))

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 January 2004 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"The outdated look and feel of the site"

No way, I hate superfluous makeovers. The "classic" look is so classic.

billstevejim, Friday, 16 January 2004 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate that iframe scrolly window bullshit they put in. I'm not fond of the color scheme. The recommendations/similar artist dhtml browser is always wrong. Otherwise, I love it!

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 16 January 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

also, the feedback feature doesn't seem to work at all because I've used it about ten times to ask for a cross reference to be added and it's not happened yet.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 16 January 2004 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I second what Chuck said about the Similar/Related artists thing....It kind of drives me crazy but on the other hand it's sort of charming at the same time.

Like I just randomly did Morrissey and his similar related artists were The Posies, Charlatans UK, Nikki Sudden, some apparently So-cal hardcore punk band called Ill Repute, and ex-Screaming Trees dude Mark Lanegan....wierd.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 16 January 2004 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I've always used AMG to find new artists, to get a general idea on the history of an artist, and their reviews for the exact reason theyre writen -- to get an idea of what people generally think about the album, how it was received or any impact it had.

In that sense, perfect.


I'm glad that hte site is designed how it is, as well. All very basic HTML, simple and easy on the eyes.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 16 January 2004 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, it always amuses me how designers always think that Internet sites should always be "updated" so the rest of us will be incapable of figuring out how to use them. If it's working, why fuck with it?

chuck, Friday, 16 January 2004 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Very handy site, but things like the review of the first Young Lions album (the review says it's crap - which it pretty much is - but it's assigned 4 1/2 stars) are awfully irritating.

And it'd be nice if they didn't misspell the title of the latest Bardo Pond album...things like that.

dlp9001, Friday, 16 January 2004 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the design and layout is fine (i'm a designer, btw). I didn't care for when they made lengthier bios require a click to expand, but that's a minor quibble. I guess my major complaint would be that some of the writing is just bad. Most of it is ok though.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

My big beef with AMG is it doesn't work with older browsers. Its like Netscape or IE sprung into existance only with versions 5 and beyond.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

critijism haha

mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Another designer here who thinks the site looks fine, you go there for info not pretty graphics (ditto IMDB).

LondonLee (LondonLee), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i find it very useful.

i like the fact that it tells me if something is still in print,as well as giving a quick overview of a selected artist discography. at times i may disagree with the number of stars that one release gets as opposed to the amount for another,but that is true of any reviewer or review site.

not to slurp to loudly,but i appreciate the site and the work that is put into it by the various contributors.

especially like the fact that it is *free*.

i suggest you ask yourselves if you would miss it if it was no longer around.....as a measure of it's value.

william (william), Friday, 16 January 2004 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hmmm, I wonder which Nazareth album came out on October 9, 1974?"

Not so much that as, "Hmm... What else came out in October, 1974?" I guess it's only frustrating because they have the capability, but only use it for birthdays.

It's really my only complaint. I like the content and I don't think they need to tart it up.

E. (ebb), Friday, 16 January 2004 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

geez, I started like 4 of those threads in Andy's list. At least they were all a little different, but I must really like AMG or something.

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 16 January 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean there's always more I'd *WANT* from AMG (by release date I guess meaning albums in genres from quarters of difft years, i guess, as an example) not least full listings and indexing of producers, more comprehensiveness in difft. obscure categories, listings by label, etc.etc. But that's just coz its already so frikin useful and i'd just love to have all the work of putting information together TOTALLY done for me, y'know? also coz i'm a bit of a dataslicing geek.

Also it fucks with my outdated computer, but that's my problem i guess.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 16 January 2004 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Not so much that as, "Hmm... What else came out in October, 1974?" I guess it's only frustrating because they have the capability, but only use it for birthdays.

But you usually can see what else came out then. If they're is an exact release date listed, click on it and all (well, not *all*) other albums released on that date are shown.

oops (Oops), Friday, 16 January 2004 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I certainly haven't encountered much of the "general disdain for dance and pop" mentioned above.

dylan (dylan), Friday, 16 January 2004 06:42 (twenty-two years ago)

D :
the album oriented discographies
their odd conception of catalogue numbers

-Bruno, Friday, 16 January 2004 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, I far prefer your writeups for the 136 albums thing than the AMG reviews, which tend to be drier and less fun.

Leee Majors (Leee), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

That's what I figured! But I don't see that particular approach really working in the AMG, it seems sorta weird there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 January 2004 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

S: my contributions

D: other people's contributions

Joseph McCombs, Saturday, 17 January 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

What's with amg's photo of Teddy Riley?

dylan (dylan), Saturday, 17 January 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

my one beef is that you can't tab-browse, otherwise it's extremely useful and I use it a lot

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 17 January 2004 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

It's free

That's pretty amazing when you think about it. The site provides a huge amount of information, and it costs nothing. Thank you AMG.

Debito (Debito), Saturday, 17 January 2004 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

could someone please give me the name of someone there I can contact to correct/add some information to an entry?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 17 January 2004 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear Young Mr. Anthony --

The man what provided all those links to the other AMG threads has answered this question many a time. Andy K is love. His real address can be found on some of them threads.

Your friend
Me

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 January 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, in response to the reviews on the site being dry or not much or whatever, Andy did actually answer this definitively three years back:

I can understand Tom's criticism in the concept being dry, but we're more intended as a guide (hence the name) than being in-depth analytical or personal like this particular site.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 January 2004 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

to me amg is like a reference book from the library. (it has records in marc format:) as pointed out above, it's good for checking if stuff is in print. (and it's no big loss if it's not completely up to date on rereleases.) i wish the music maps displayed on a single page, but that feature probably isn't used much.

youn, Saturday, 17 January 2004 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i actually agree with a lot of the revies on allmusic.com
i disagree as well, but tons are accurate.

Except that Thom Jurek fellow, he's been all over the place lately giving nearly everything 4 and 1/2 stars to 5 stars (!!!)

Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Saturday, 17 January 2004 08:19 (twenty-two years ago)

same for "street" vs "undie" rap ... there's not a real strong editorial bent.

Dude, I own the print version of "The All Music Guide To Hip-Hop", and believe me, there is a BIG pro-undie, anti-mainstream bias.

I mean, does ANYBODY read amg for listening advice? Dumb question, I know; people obviously do.

Well, there's listening advice and listening advice. I don't particuarly care what AMG thinks about the latest Strokes album, but it's a great help with artists from older genres, especially those that were mainly singles acts and where the only real question is which compilation to buy.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 17 January 2004 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

So out of nowhere I got this bizarre error message when trying to access a handful of AMG entries tonight:

Through traffic monitoring of our websites we have identified your IP address accessing allmusic.com at a rate and speed inconsistent with the noncommercial and personal use permitted by our site's Terms of Service. As a result, further access to allmusic.com has been denied. Because IP addresses can be shared by numerous users, your access may be being denied based on the aggregate use of your IP address rather than your own individual use. To ensure that this is not the case, simply create your own individual user account by becoming a Registered Member of allmusic. [Click on the “Register” button in the upper right hand corner of the home page.] Once you’ve become a Registered Member and are logged in, you will once again have full access to allmusic, and will continue to have access, as long as your usage remains consistent with our Terms of Service. If you are already a Registered Member of allmusic, simply ensure that you are logged in when you use the site. Thank you. - 166.90.203.158

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 28 February 2008 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

A HOOS be using AMG at a rate and speed inconsistent with the noncommercial and personal use permitted by their terms of service.

The Reverend, Thursday, 28 February 2008 09:34 (eighteen years ago)

I was just coming here to post that exact thing. You can just refresh the page and it goes away, but whatever. Did they need one more way to make the site MORE obnoxious? I mean, what does that warning even mean? I think they're trying to frighten people into registering to use the site, which is some major bullshit, but more than that I think they're trying to blame the user for the asstastic speeds that this Piece Of Shit front end necessitates. How many times can I say say, Fuck you, allmusic.com?

(Except, who else has this kind of database? Where else would I go? They got us by the short hairs.)

kenan, Thursday, 28 February 2008 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

My guess is that they're trying to stop commercial websites from using their content without paying/licensing. How they're able to do that w/o ticking off personal users with high speed connections is beyond me...

MC, Thursday, 28 February 2008 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

I hadn't seen that message lately, but I used to get it about every two months for a couple years. Part of why I mostly abandoned the site for quite some time.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 28 February 2008 14:01 (eighteen years ago)


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