Jimi Hendrix: Undisputable Classic or Overrated Dud?

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Honestly, I haven't even bothered looking to see if we've done this before. But am I the only ILM-er who's never really clicked with the guy? I mean, I appreciate all he "did for rock" and all (though, let's admit: his legacy is every bit as suspect as, say, Janis Joplin's). Yet I just have never really warmed to the guy, regardless -- if anything, I like some of his songwriting over his "fusion of mind, body, and spirit" guitar playing on which that legacy's been founded.

Am I alone?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 10 September 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

good stuff on this thread: Jimi Hendrix - just a tad overrated ?

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

undisputable classic as far as moi is concerned.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 10 September 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You're kidding right? Suspect legacy? I suppose you'll ask if Michaelangelo was overrated next. Or Mozart.

Davlo (Davlo), Friday, 10 September 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

much as i don't get rock people who dismiss any criticism of their idols, i also don't get people who can't accept the fact that everybody else likes Hendrix, and they don't. you're just a rugged individualist, okay? get over it.

Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 10 September 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

You're kidding right? Suspect legacy? I suppose you'll ask if Michaelangelo was overrated next. Or Mozart.

Or Himmler. Or Goebbels. And listen, this isn't a claim on rugged individualism — I'll leave that to the president's speechwriters. Nor am I saying I can't "accept" the fact that everyone likes Hendrix. He just doesn't take me "there" is all. And I'm wondering why — I'm a fan and appreciator of most of the canon.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously, that other thread has what you're looking for

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, I was just too busy to look before.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't get you. Now you're comparing some of the world's greatest artists to Nazis. No wonder you don't dig Jimi.

Davlo (Davlo), Friday, 10 September 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: 'Nazis' vs 'the Axis'

dave q, Saturday, 11 September 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Hitler have plans to create some sort of colony on the floor of the ocean? "At a later date our leaders give us orders/To conquer the moon and the floor of the ocean."--Brecht, "German Miserere".

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 11 September 2004 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm goin' down Bolivia way where a man can be free"

dave q, Saturday, 11 September 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"Your people I do not understand. So to you I wish to put an end. And you'll never hear surf music again." - Adolf Hitler, 1944

joseph pot (STINKOR™), Saturday, 11 September 2004 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Undisputed monster guitar player. A total original.

A singer? No. A songwriter? Negative, good buddy.

I'd be with ya on the overrated thing if I didn't think Axis: Bold as Love and Electric Ladyland were some of the most awesomely psychedelic records to ever slip their way into the mainstream.

Janis Joplin suspect?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 11 September 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Come on, man, he certainly had his moments as a songwriter. The first album is tremendous. Some moments of great songwriting on the 2nd and 3rd, too.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 11 September 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't imagine anyone really voting "dud" on Hendrix. By the same token, I'm not a rabid fan of his (all I really need is my copy of Are You Experienced? and I'm good). I tend to sneer at the deification of dead rock stars in general, but in Jimi's case, you gotta give it up for him -- in terms of playing the guitar, he was untouchable.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 September 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

He just doesn't take me "there" is all. And I'm wondering why

maybe YOURE A RACIST!!!!!!!

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 11 September 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Axis: Bold As Love - i think we all know that was his nod to The Fuhrer.

i love Jimi but some bits are dud. i prefer his songs about outer space to his songs about chicks (Foxy Lady anyone?)

john clarkson, Saturday, 11 September 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I enjoy listening to Hendrix when I jam my pet goat. My pet goat thinks Hendrix is satan yelling at him. He tries to get away from the sounds of hell, uh I mean Hendrix.

Wayne Babbit, Saturday, 11 September 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

his gr playing was the 'songwriting'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 11 September 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

gr playing? A contraction too far there, Julio!!

Grrr! GrRgrRRgGGRrr! Gr! Gr! GRRRrrRRR! GRGRRRRR gr gr gr ?GRRrrr!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 11 September 2004 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe a teeny-bit overrated, but "DUD"?! Ludicrous. I think Roger undervalues his singing and his songs. He didn't have a great voice, but he was an effective enough "rapper" in the Dylan/Reed tradition.
And he wrote some GREAT songs, but it's possible that there were more of 'em on his first LP than on all his others combined. I'd guess about 20 in total. I personally don't consider extended things like "1983" (epic sound-sculpture) or "Hear My Train A-Comin" (intense blues-rock jam) or "If Six Was Nine" (early jazz-fusion!) to be SONGS, per se. Too many of 'em are mere excuses for Jimi to go apeshit over. But as a soloist, he never needed any excuse.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Saturday, 11 September 2004 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

he's definitely in the slurred mumbling tradition of dylan and reed as a singer. as a songwriter, he might not have had the clearer cut approach of the kinks or who but he definitely wasnt as lame as some people make out. axis bold as love has 99% well written and constructed songs. i mean, if people dont think the first album has good songs, i dont know what to tell you. hendrix' problem with concise songwriting really began after chas chandler left him. but even that theory is flawed.

splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 11 September 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe a teeny-bit overrated, but "DUD"?! Ludicrous.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to combine the two choices we've been given and go with "overrated classic."

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Monday, 13 September 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

eight years pass...

most of the canonical dudes who i think suck I don't really feel bad about disliking, but never got into hendrix at all. i feel guilt and shame for it.

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 17:55 (thirteen years ago)

you should. he was great. just as a composer he was great. also, a snappy dresser.

scott seward, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 17:59 (thirteen years ago)

could you recommend 3 songs for me to check out? you know, besides purple haze and foxy lady

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 19:49 (thirteen years ago)

"Machine Gun" from Band of Gypys, "1983... (A Merman I Should Turn To Be)", "Burning of the Midnight Lamp", and "Have You Ever Been (To Electric Ladyland)" and shit most everything from Electric Ladyland. First to there are long epics, but very cool in different ways. Second two are great songs imo, and display parts of his personality I really dig. Axis: Bold As Love is pretty great all the way through, but skip any tracks not sung by Jimi.

grandavis, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 20:09 (thirteen years ago)

Should say "first two there are long epics" by the way

grandavis, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 20:09 (thirteen years ago)

can't everyone at least love "Little Wing"?

2am chopped top (brimstead), Wednesday, 2 January 2013 21:03 (thirteen years ago)

get One Rainy Wish

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 21:11 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah "One Rainy Wish" also great (and impossible not to at least like I would think)

grandavis, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 21:22 (thirteen years ago)

I'd recommend Axis : Bold as Love as a starting point. It's a balanced mix of jimi's contrast of mellowness and raw energy. Little Wing, One Rainy Wish, Castles Made of Sand, If 6 Was 9, Spanish Castle Magic, Bold as Love... I love every song in there.

Moka, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 22:09 (thirteen years ago)

Have found myself listening to the expanded version of Are You Experienced (with the singles and b-sides etc) over and over lately. I would say you can't go wrong with it as a starting point, though I can also see the case for Axis (which I love too obv). AYE isn't quite as diverse as Axis and from a songwriting pov perhaps isn't quite as polished either - but the sense of things starting up and possibilities opening is part of what makes it so exciting for me.

I Write The Songs That Make The Whole World Zing (Mr Andy M), Wednesday, 2 January 2013 22:22 (thirteen years ago)

I need to revisit Axis one of these days. It's always been my least favorite of Hendrix's released-in-his-lifetime albums.

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 22:36 (thirteen years ago)

Oh man Axis is so taut and neat and fine and colourful.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 3 January 2013 07:47 (thirteen years ago)

yeah Axis was my favorite! until i sort of permanently settled on Band of Gypsies

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 January 2013 07:59 (thirteen years ago)

Axis is definitely my favourite Hendrix album. Also try and get hold of 'Radio One', a compilation of sessions The Experience recorded for Radio 1 in 1967.

earth of (snoball), Thursday, 3 January 2013 09:45 (thirteen years ago)

any doubters need to check voodoo chile on electric ladyland. the 15 minute version.

also, shout outs to mitch mitchell. one of the funkiest englishmen there ever was.

KitevsPill, Thursday, 3 January 2013 15:01 (thirteen years ago)

Oh man Axis is so taut and neat and fine and colourful.

― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, January 3, 2013 2:47 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is OTM. I think Hendrix was at his happiest on this record, probably the only one he made completely (or at least relatively) free of distractions.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 3 January 2013 15:24 (thirteen years ago)

Agree wit all the Axis love, just wish that Noel song was cut from it. Even with Jimi's great playing on it I find myself sad that it's on there. They could have fit another Jimi tune, you know.

grandavis, Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:39 (thirteen years ago)

also, shout outs to mitch mitchell. one of the funkiest englishmen there ever was.
Was looking at Mitchell's wiki entry recently and it struck me as very sad that he achieved so little post-Hendrix.

I Write The Songs That Make The Whole World Zing (Mr Andy M), Thursday, 3 January 2013 18:52 (thirteen years ago)

Hendrix is one of the of not THE best voice in rock history.

nostormo, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:38 (thirteen years ago)

"Was looking at Mitchell's wiki entry recently and it struck me as very sad that he achieved so little post-Hendrix."

i don't really know what was going on with him in the 70's. never read anything about that. i really like that first ramatam album and i don't get why he didn't make more rocking stuff in that decade. might have been things going on there... i love what noel did. the road album is one of my favorite records of the 70's and the two noel redding band albums from the 70's are excellent as well. and i also dig both fat mattress albums a bunch. Road one of the best hard rock albums that not everyone knows about. fat matress records definitely worth owning if they have them as a cd twofer or something. even on vinyl they don't cost a ton. great production.

scott seward, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:49 (thirteen years ago)

(to be fair though kinda love ramatam so much cuz april lawton is my lord and savior.)

scott seward, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:52 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah Axis is the best. The most pop album, the most psych. By the time Axis comes in at the end, it's effing paradise.

"If 6 Was 9" probably the best song to play someone who thinks he's just an overrated guitar noodler.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:54 (thirteen years ago)

I like that Noel song alot btw! Nice change of pace to white boy English psych pop with the mighty Hendrix Experience backing.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:54 (thirteen years ago)

I like 'She's So fine' as well. The lyrics do veer into hippy cliché in places, and the guitar solo feels tacked on, but it's got a charm to it. Noel's singing voice works on the track as well, a bit like and English Doug Yule.

earth of (snoball), Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:58 (thirteen years ago)

From April Lawton's wiki:

Indeed she was such a virtuoso that she was rumored to be transsexual — rumors confirmed by her friend, Fanny guitarist June Millington, in a 2010 interview for GuitarGearHeads

I've never read this anywhere else. Really?

Rocking Disco Santa (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:06 (thirteen years ago)

I really think the melodic floaty stuff like "Little Wing" or "Have You Ever Been" is the best bet for Hendrix-doubters. At least they'll concede the dude could write a tune!

And who can deny "All Along The Watchtower"? I've heard that song zillions of times and it still freaks me out.

2am chopped top (brimstead), Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:28 (thirteen years ago)

yeah jane is the only person who ever publically said that about april. but i guess it was kinda known in the 70's? i dunno, don't think june would lie about that that. i'll always love her whatever she was. and she was a she as far as the world is concerned. and as far as her ownself was concerned.

scott seward, Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:43 (thirteen years ago)

jane lives around here but has never come in my store. i'd have her sign some fanny records. she gives guitar lessons.

scott seward, Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:44 (thirteen years ago)

(i think sue ghezzi from isis was a better guitarist than june but april better than both)

scott seward, Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:48 (thirteen years ago)


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