Heraclitussayz.com - Classic or Dud?

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Inspired by this thread: stereogum.com yay or nay?

Heraclitus Sayz is an interesting concept which at times works really well, such as the Devendra Banhart interview. At other times though, it's a complete mess. See: Arcade Fire interview. The band was clearly not into the whole theme of the site, and every response they had contained a line like "Well, I'm not sure exactly what you're saying, but..."

Also, the site design is so god awful. I mean, here we are ragging on PFM's new layout, but Christ. Heraclitussayz is like a Geocities page circa the mid to late 90's. I can't tell if it's supposed to make them more "indie" or something. And lastly, the whole s = z thing. Please.

My vote is for dud.

Mickey, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i've never seen this site, but i'll go checkee check it now

owen reading, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey man...You should take a break...Do you fucking know anything about the primordial dialectic? Go suck on billy fucking corgan's poetry-producing nutsack

Bobo Ashanti, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

This guy posted something on his site claiming Pitchfork accepted straight payola, and asserted he had "insider sources" backing it up. He was threatened with a lawsuit, freaked out, and deleted the entire thing. It doesn't get any more DUD than that.

I shudder to think I have probably met the kid, given his overt proximity to Colin Clary, who should distance himself from this whole situation ASAP.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, i thought the arcade fire interview was pretty interesting, unfortunately the arcade fire guy wasn't very prepared to answer the questions, though. so i see what you mean. the best interviews are with a.collective and joy electric, IMHO. I also studied philosophy and comparative literature in college so maybe that has something to do with it

My vote: classic

ricardo leon, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

One part of the site I really loved was his Devendra Banhart interview. Choice quote:

DB: well, this country isn’t even ours. I don’t think we should give a shit about
how other countries see us. I think we need to focus on how American Indians think of us, the civil rights movement completely forgot about them, they own the spirit of this motherland and we are scared of it (you might laugh at how ridiculous that sounds but I’m talking spiritually here and it’s a known), I don’t know what else to say other than the earth will engulf the buildings.

That is classic! It reminds me of this friend I have who comes out and says bizarre new agey type stuff, and then to show how how serious he is about it adds, "and that's a fact." Not to insult or belittle his beliefs or anything. I'd just like to see the proof that the spirit of this motherland is owned by Native Americans.

Mickey (modestmickey), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Uhh....dont you write 4 pitchfork, mr. ott. Or used to? It doesn't get more DUD than that if you ask me! Not to mention: your dead wrong about them "starting" the rumor. It's been over blogs for some time now, including stereogum, and other news blogs. So whoever this clary guy is, maybe he should distance himself from indie rock as a whole! if u pitchforkers distance yourselves from the zine, everything will be alright.

thomas gunn, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah! That was hilarious, Mickey. I love Devendra cuz he believes in "real demons"!

ricardo leon, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a weird feeling this site is one of the Other Music newsletter dudes having a laff.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The zine's ok, but I liked it when it was just a blog. then it was soo funny. Somehow it's not as funny anymore, but then again, there's much more content.

Oh yeah, chris, thanks for your BS now go back to your neverland ranch.

jessica V., Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a weird feeling they keep trying to get me to link them and I'm not going to.

Eppy, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a weird feeling many of you miss the point of the site entirely. Again, I studied ancient Greek in college (admitting my bias) and the site is extremely, extremely intelligent. My guess is the editor(s) must be a PhD philosophy student(s) somewhere because I think it's too subtlely dense to have been put together quickly. If you've read Nietzsche, Heidegger, Kant, Baudrillard, plus the Greeks like I have, the interviews take on a cleverly different meaning.

ricardo leon, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

You don't think the idea of filtering the indie rock scene through ancient Greek thought is a little weird and/or funny?

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Ricardo wins most hilarious post ever.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember that post about the "payola" thing. Retract!

The site as a whole, dud.

buck van smack (Buck Van Smack), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont see what's funny about my post at all. I just dont understand. English is not my first language, so maybe...i dont know why you say things like this. americans are often confusing to me. It doesnt matter, though, i thought your post was the most inane ever. is that what i should say? Intelligent discussion is hard to find on the internet.

Ricardo Leon, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a fucking joke. We have a pitchfork fag coming on here telling us that HIS site isnt corrupt!? what a joke. Go here:

http://www.hipinion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=62486

Look, Im not even in college yet, but it doesnt take a brain surgeon to see that lawsuit threat meant that Bitchfork has something to hide. Maybe they wanted to hide the above thread, lol. Case closed as far as I'm concerned. But it doesnt matter. Hsayz is the bomb! The fact that Pitchforkmedia has gone out of its way (chris ott) to bash the site, must mean that HSayz is righteous!--or they wouldnt say anything. The site as a whole, CLASSIC BABY!

p.s. i heard ryan schreiber is fat! is that true OTT!? LMAO!

Graham X, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Heraclitus? Is that you?

Mickey (modestmickey), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Graham. I'm Totes on Hipinion. Just FYI, so you don't look such a complete fool in the future...

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Uhhhh....HAha!!!! Can i vote twice!? this is parminidis (sp?), bitches! btw, never visited the site, but it sounds kewl.

Graham X, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, been reading the thread, finally thought i should chime in. im freinds with nick cohen, staff writer for Hsayz, i also read hipinion from time to time. Totes wrote on hipinion about interpo's antics:

"Giving this record more than a 7.0 is pure lip service to the multi-thousand dollar ad Matador secured for it. Pitchfork has absolutley no credibility, this is the fourth or fifth time Ryan's consciously or subconsciously channeled a review of a bullshit record from a high-paying client to a person that's likely to praise it. Fucking disgusting....And as far as a conspiracy goes, I'm just saying Ryan could not trash this record - Matador would stop buying ads, they're very touch-and-go with Pitchfork and like a lot of people aren't real psyched on the magic new ad rates Onionboy the Greed Cow came up with. If PFM shat on a budget-making/breaking record of theirs, there would be problems, and Matador's too big to upset when you're not a real magazine. It doesn't matter though, all he cares about is getting money, there won't be any labels that can afford ads in six-eight months, it'll just be borderline porn sites advertising for free passwords they gave Ryan and Diesel Jeans. Outstanding."

i dunno, knowing nick and all, if you were to speak to the guys at Hsayz, u might like them. nick's really cool. it seems u have a lot in common, + not just the exceprt i posted. maybe there shouldn't be any animosity.

Curt Wertheimer, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

what did I do? also, hi Chris!

I must say that other than you, I don't know anyone at any of these zines personally. I found out about H because I heard they had written about me. Do you think I should be worried?

I enjoy reading the site and am psyched they seems to like some of my records.

Hope you're well and keeping warm!

best,
colin

colin clary, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

re: http://www.hipinion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=62486
jesus

did you know they only pay their writers about 50 bucks a review or something ridiculous like that. and look at all that ad revenue

owen reading, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Heraclitus Sayz. I read it every day and have been doing so for a long time. My vote: Classic.

Brit Carlson, Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)


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