UK MCs TS : Tricky VS Roots Manuva VS Dizzee

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...yes i know those aren't the only UK MCs, maybe not even the best ones, but they are the best known stateside. what's your pick??

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

kano

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Dizzee! By miles and miles and miles and miles!

NOT. EVEN. A. QUESTION.

Cristal Waters (nordicskilla), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Roots Manuva from those. Also Ty is worth a look and for amazing skills, check out Life from Phi-Life Cypher. The track "Cordless Mics At 20 Paces" is outstanding and easily d1cks on anything the above named MCs could manage!

john boy walt0n, Friday, 23 September 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Roots Manuva. The only people who'd answer otherwise are people from that mystical land known as "the 90s", or Semtex.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

dizzee rascal fans from the 90s?!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Roots Manuva. The only people who'd answer otherwise are people from that mystical land known as "the 90s", or Semtex.

Or people who dislike boring MCs.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

HEY WHAT ABOUT THAT LINE HE SAYS ABOUT CHEESE ON TOAST, THAT'S CLEVER BECAUSE IT IS A VERY BRITISH REFERENCE

POM DASSANTION, Friday, 23 September 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Dizzee Rascal – “Stand Up Tall” Video Treatment
by Ruben Fleischer

Before I say anything else, I want to say that we should definitely shoot this video in
Atlanta. I just shot a KFC commercial down there and it is the place to be. It is
much cheaper than LA to shoot there, and there is no shortage of beautiful black
women to be found. It has a great feel to it (they shoot tons of Dirty South videos
down there), and I think it could really help us as far as accomplishing a lot on the
budget we have. As well, it will just be totally characteristic and different from all
other UK hip hop videos. It will be 100% authentic and tough. And last but not least,
it is the strip club capital of the United States.

As the video starts out, we find Dizzee driving in a dropped down classic Bentley. I
want to establish that he is 100% bling and tough, but I want all of the things to be
quintessentially British bling items – so all the cars should be Bentleys (classics),
Jaguars (E-Types), and Land Rovers (Old School) – al right hand drive. I would like
to outfit these classic British cars all with total bling style, so let’s put spinners on the
classic Bentley, drop the Land Rover down to be a Low Rover, and try and find a
Jag with hydraulics – so that it hops. I’d like to have a bunch of hot girls dancing
around in front of the cars with Dizzee, but they should all be wearing classic British
outfits, or at least have a real British flair to them. They should be the same hot
video bitches that we see in the Ludacris and Nelly videos, only maybe one will be
dressed as a sexy Bobbie, another is dressed like Lady Di or the Queen (what better
British female fashion icons are there?). Everyone will be super blinged out and look
hot and hype – I just want to make sure that there is a real link to the UK so that we
can distinguish Dizzee from the typical American hip hop dudes. Maybe instead of
holding a blinged out Pimp cup, Dizzee carries a blinged out Pimm’s cup... and so
on. I would like to shoot the first chorus against a wall (to tie in with the lyrics), and I
think he can be performing while the hot ladies behind him do a choreographed
dance interpreting the lyrics of the song.

For the middle of the song, I think it would be cool to see all of the cars caravanning
together. They are on the road and it is not clear where they are going, but we can
cover Dizzee driving (the steering wheel’s on the British side), and we could get
some performance of him in the car... The car will be full of girls, and he is just
rocking out to the camera. I think it would be really cool to see Dizzee driving, as it
is a totally different action for him to be doing, and hopefully we can get some cars
that hop and do other cool tricks. Maybe there are girls on British motorcycles
(Triumphs and whatnot) riding along side of him. We will have car mounts, and the
camera will be moving around the car, and it will look really nice. They are all just
rocking out in the car, dancing to the music as they cruise down the road, top down,
stereo blasting, and the wind in their hair.

The cars all pull up at a hot strip club. It’s real grimy. The entourage enters, and
Dizzee makes his way behind the booth where the strip club dj usually is to
announce the girls coming on stage. He performs from there. We feature a ton of
stripper footage – these are the hottest girls Atlanta has to offer and they know how
to shake shake shake it. I would like to have a combination of slow motion shots of
strippers shaking their things, and I would like to intercut this with choreographed
performance dancing of multiple strippers doing the same moves to the song.
Maybe their style is a bit more retro for the choreographed parts, and maybe Dizzee
is on stage performing while they dance. There are no men in the strip club... just
ladies, both on the stage and in the crowd. This is where the video closes out, and I
want to have some really cool lighting to accompany the hot strippers and Dizzee
rocking the place.

Look & Feel

This video needs to feel really glossy and slick. I think we can make it look amazing
by shooting it on Super 35, which is that really narrow cinematic looking format. I
think that this could be a really cool effect for blinging out all of the shiny items we
have in the video – whether it be a pimp cup, rims, or shiny gold front teeth.
Also important to me is the presence of lots of hot girls in this video, as the past
Dizzee videos never really included this element, and as this is more of a dance
song, I say we see hot girls dancing! I want to get some real freak a deeks who can
make the booty clap and all that. I don’t think there should be any dudes in the
video other than Dizzee – just Dizzee and lots of hot chicks and hot cars. That’s all
you need...

Britishisms

-black cab wicked if we can get it on some daytons
-fish and chips
-pot of tea
-strippers in wive beater and suspenders, ala Oliver twist with the hat too.
-football, someone who can do some good tricks
-a british bulldog instead of a pit bull
-a big black dude in a beefeater costume on the door of the strip bar
-dapper striped suit and a cane maybe a briefcase
-english flag
-red telephone boxes
-gold fronts but they are all really gnarly messed up teeth
-hot girls in Buckingham palace guard uniforms who don’t react when Dizzee dances
in front of them, or maybe someone else messes with them and they keep a straight
face.
-drinking crystal out of teacups

Other Ideas

A mural of Dizzee spray painted on the wall behind him.
Accentuating some of the bling bits with post effects
Slo mo of Dizzee dancing with some girl sexy style to cutaway to
Need to figure out something really great for sunset shot first day
Put him on an old southern house porch
Dizzee being followed by two black Beefeater guards following him the whole time
Palace guards getting grinded by strippers and having to keep a straight face
British named streets with them driving by it.
2 setups for safety coverage

Cristal Waters (nordicskilla), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

They all suck.

All "urban" muzik from the u.k sucks.

Ellis, Friday, 23 September 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Dizzee, but not by miles. Tricky is miles better than Roots Manuva though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 23 September 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

no way! Tricky is RUBBISH

Cristal Waters (nordicskilla), Friday, 23 September 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Can we count Slick Rick?

Cristal Waters (nordicskilla), Friday, 23 September 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

The best British rap single is still "West End Girls", and the best British rapper is Betty Boo. The best British rap single of the year so far is "Don't Play Nice" by Verbalicious.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 September 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

I'll take Slick Rick over any of these folks.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 23 September 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)


BUT WHAT DUZ PRANCEHALL THINK ABOOT THIS?

mookié wilson (mookie wilson), Friday, 23 September 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

I'd easily take Roots Manuva....

(and c'cmon, Slick Rick had one classic, and is now a pardoy of himself).
Tricky and Dizzee? meh.

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 23 September 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but I am truly stunned that so few people are able to recognize just how vastly superior an MC Dizzee Rascal is to anyone else mentioned on this thread!

Cristal Waters (nordicskilla), Friday, 23 September 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Roots.

elgolfo (elgolfo), Friday, 23 September 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Well that settles it...

WE'RE SHOOTING THE VIDEO IN ALT!!!

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 23 September 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Dizzee may be (actually, almost definitely is) a "better" MC than Roots Manuva, but in the same way that Joe Satriana is a "better" guitarist than George Harrison.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Satriani, whatever. It's late.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Surely it's not fair to look at Tricky as a straight up MC though? He's something else altogether. Of hip-hop, but far removed. Tricky got boring when he tried to be more of a hip-hop MC. His flow may not be all that, but lyrically, he's one of the most interesting artists of the 90s.

Stew (stew s), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

this is normally one of those threads i pass over but seeing as only adam is repping for dizzee i have to add my voice.

dizzee!

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Dizzee Rascal? WTF! Pure shite. Roots, nah. Tricky is the top of this 3. Easy.

maria b (maria b), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

I went for Roots cause i like some of his lyrics, i agree that Tricky doesn't belong to the MC category, he went boring but could have been great. First two albums are classics IMO. Last summer got to see Roots and his dj went nuts and started to play another song and his beatboxer started to improvise something and Roots went on top of those beats improvising as well, he got the crowd into his pocket with great freestylin' in the Coachella Valley which isn't that easy either. I was suprised by his skills. It was a great moment, pure hip hop. Haven't seen Dizzy ever so I only have his two albums as a reference and they are not exactly an event or a ceremony in which you could appreciate those freestyle skills which are an important subject to judge in this thread.

elgolfo (elgolfo), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

dizzee as an mc, tricky as a producer

Sym Sym (sym), Saturday, 24 September 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

Dizzee may be (actually, almost definitely is) a "better" MC than Roots Manuva, but in the same way that Joe Satriana is a "better" guitarist than George Harrison.

I see what you're trying to do, Dom.

Cristal Waters (nordicskilla), Saturday, 24 September 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

Slick Rick had one classic, and is now a pardoy of himself

You've GOT to be kidding.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Saturday, 24 September 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

this is one of those "oh shit im reading ilm at 4:37 in the morning" moments. brought to you by aim high recordings - the realest on road. time for bed.

rio natsume, Saturday, 24 September 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)

i seriously hope dizzee doesnt try to be a proper hip hop MC and rap over all slow and boring hip hop style beats on his 3rd album

"HEY WHAT ABOUT THAT LINE HE SAYS ABOUT CHEESE ON TOAST, THAT'S CLEVER BECAUSE IT IS A VERY BRITISH REFERENCE"

hes so british!

okokok, Saturday, 24 September 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

I choose the guy from the Stereo MCs.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 24 September 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

For sheer rapping skills I choose Blaktwang, though beatwise he isn't as "original" or British as those mentioned in the thread title. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 24 September 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

I suppose Manuva, I think he's probably got the most songs of those 3 that I enjoy listening to.
Best producer of those 3 is a much tougher call, I don't think I could pick - it's hard to compare tricky with the other 2 cause his prime was so much before them.

Bn1 (Bn1), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

Has anybody even listened to the newest Roots Manuva LP? It's soo dull

sffd, Sunday, 25 September 2005 07:25 (twenty years ago)

A side question: why do you think is it that almost all successful UK rappers are self-produced, whereas most big-name US rappers aren't? Is it because the UK scene is more homegrown and DIY, and less commercial? Have most rappers come through techno/jungle/d'n'b/garage/whatever, which would explain their beatmaking skills?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 25 September 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

yes.... and there wasnt much of a mc'ing scene until grime. jungle/ garage mc's were toasters who spoke gibberish and fake patois.

as an mc - DIZZEE

i like roots manuva and awfully deep is only dull if you find his other albums dull

nerve, Sunday, 25 September 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

Awfully Deep is great! Possibly Roots' best album.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 25 September 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

"Awfully Deep" may be the best "rap for people who don't like rap" album ever, to be honest. Moreso than "Paul's Boutique".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 25 September 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

i still like riko!

terry lennox. (gareth), Sunday, 25 September 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

I like Riko but I tend to find he's best when he bursts in for 8 bars and high speed rather than over the course of a whole track, let alone an album.

Awfully Deep is great but I'm still going with Dizzee. But my proper answer is Doogz.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 25 September 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

The thread that's totally and completely on Trim's dick

Cristal Waters (nordicskilla), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

also
http://img74.exs.cx/img74/2391/ddoublee5fd.jpg

Cristal Waters (nordicskilla), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

D Double is rub. If he didn't sound like he was permanently mid-asthma attack people would think he was in the Beastie Boys.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

I should have given you a smack, when I had the chance.

Cristal Waters (nordicskilla), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

You don't wanna FLY!
'Cos D Double make you DIE!
And I think your mum's BI!
But it still makes me SIGH!
Even if I'm a GUY!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

Or alternatively:

Think you're a big boy 'cause you've got a BEARD!
Bullets'll make your face look WEIRD!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

that line's awesome because you expect the followup to be as weak, and then it counfounds your expectations like a bullet confounding your face. your WHOLE face!

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 26 September 2005 07:13 (twenty years ago)

i pray dizzee doesnt try to be a proper hip hop MC on his next album. please dont let this happen god.

okok, Monday, 26 September 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

Dizzee. I find Kano quite boring myself.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 26 September 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

Although Chuck D did pronounce Kano's performance at the MOBOs the most exciting live show he's seen in the last five years...

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 26 September 2005 09:06 (twenty years ago)


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