overrated noise bands or peformers?

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1. Hair Police

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

2. no doctors

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

3. black dice

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

4. sinking body

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

5 Hella

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

6 - 94. Every noise band in Providence.

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

95. Sonic Youth

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ha ha ha

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

ddb -- is neil burke even rated? he's not the most prolific guy and I hardly ever see his name tossed about.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

96. Merzbow

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Hair Police are far and beyond the lousiest noise act getting a lot of hype. Not necessarily noise, but anything Jon Dwyer has been involved in post-Pink + Brown has been horrible (not to say P+B were teh awesome, but they had some relevatory moments, esp. live).

Merzbow I've never had any problems with.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

97. That Robot With The Knife Taped To It

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

98. Viki?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

JC I see MRP as being the flagship band of the RI noize scene (AND TOTALLY FUCKING GREAT ON ALL FRONTS).

Sinking Body is an offshoot of MRP...sadly they suck, well, sucked the last time I saw them.

so.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

99. NAUTICAL ALMANAC

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

MERZBOW IS A TREAT.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

JC I see MRP as being the flagship band of the RI noize scene

SHEER MENTALISM, especially since they didn't live in Providence for a good portion of their carreer.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

NAUTICAL ALMANAC SECONDED

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

def Nautical Alamanac xpost

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

MRP = 100% underrated, but Sinking Body ain't so amazing

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

BUT THEY LIVED THERE AT SOME POINT NO?, AND PUT RECORD(S) OUT ON LOAD?

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

One of Sam McPheeters zines talks about going on tour with MRP and playing a show in Providence with Landed, Forcefield and Dropdead and being totally blown away. I'd say any of those bands better represent the Prov. scene than MRP. (Even Dropdead.)

xposts: Yes, they did! Burke still lives there. Sinking Body is pretty boring. One record on Load.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i actually think dwyer is best when he takes his ritalin and does his solo OCS thing. otherwise, record or live, blech. best things he's been part of == Landed and Pink & Brown. things that piss me off -- he's part of the Hospitals now.

6FS and Dropdead are more flagships for Providence than MRP.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

OH YES...6FS!!!

I WOULDNT CALL DROPDEAD NOIZE. THEY ARE HC, THEY PLAY(ED) HC SHOWS WITH HC BANDS.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw Dropdead play with Lightning Bolt where Lightning Bolt launched off of the end of Dropdead's last song. QED NEW YORK NERDZ

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

OK MAYBE I WAS A LITTLE OFF IN SAYING MRP WERE A FLAGSHIP OF THE RI SCENE.

IVE ALWAYS ASSOCIATED THEM WITH RI.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

100. Boredoms

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

no, not noise but an influence and important me thinks. i mean 6fs isnt noise either . . .

dean? breaks another taboo, and SCORES!

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

IVE SEEN DROPDEAD AT ABC NO RIO WITH 10 OTHER RETARDO-HARD CORE BANDS.

DROP DEAD'S NOISE CRED ONLY CAME RECENTLY AS A DIRECT RESULT OF LIGHTNING BOLT/FORCEFIELD/BRINKMAN

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

xpostzgalorez

THEY PLAY(ED) SHOWS WITH MINDFLAYER AND ARAB ON RADAR AND WHITE MICE AND LIGHTNING BOLT AND BLACK DICE.

Best 6FS moment: When 6FS had the same lineup as Landed except for different singer and 6FS played some fetival and switched singers after the first tune and finished the set as Landed. Dave Fischer has the whole story.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

dean? breaks another taboo, and SCORES!

Actually, I kid. I think that if you consider Boredoms "noise" as a whole, then they're the only "noise" band that isn't overrated.

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

DROPDEAD PLAYED WITH NATION OF ULYSSES

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

all cred and past influences come from the choices of the contemporary -- so whats your point, ddb?

dean?, dont ruin the buzz. i wanted to see gygax! wriggle.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Boredoms is really only overrated here

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

In your house?

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

101. Kobe Beef
102. Sparks

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

103. Taco Bell
104. Friends Forever

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

105 Art School ps - dean: http://www.orangegroove.net/robohitler/robomoon.jpg

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

106. Smegma once Mike Lastra moved to portland

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

107. Chinese Stars (again)

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

108. (late-era) ARAB ON RADAR

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

109. The Locust ... hahah

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

110. neil hamburger (drag city era)

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

GYGAX ARAB ON RADAR ONLY GOT BETTER. WHILE THE LOCUST ONLY GOT WORSE.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Arab On Radar SUCKED the last time I saw them... I hope the heckles at the SF show caused them to break up. Heckling Teh Locust only makes them something stronger! FIERCE!

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

chinese stars are a disappointment. too much aor and not enough peltier.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

WHILE THE LOCUST ONLY GOT WORSE.

This incorrectly implies they were decent to begin with.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear the chinese stars are all about RISD freshman gash

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I LIKE THE EARLY LOCUST STUFF...AND SEEING THEM SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE YEARS ONLY CONFIRMS THEIR DOWNWARD SPIRAL.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

less chaos, more blah.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

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you mean NNCK?

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 21 August 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

NKOTB

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 21 August 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

NYUBDZTEW

― jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 21 August 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't believe you peeps (namely ROGER ADULTERY and DDB) don't like Beaches and Canyons.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 21 August 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

BBQFDM

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Neptune (kidding!!!)

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 21 August 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Haven't heard 'em.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 21 August 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I do like Beaches and Canyons - I fawned over it in some magazine (Skyscraper? Your Flesh? I forget). I just think, on the whole, they are WAY overrated for what they do. The press acts as if the undergrond noise / tape label culture never happened (perhaps because they are ignorant of it). But I can tell you that there are people on this board alone who have released stuff that eats with a spoon everything Black Dice has ever done.

Plus, they appear to be getting worse. Those first few 7"s RULED.

I stopped actually buying their stuff after the Troubleman 10." DFA? No thanks.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 21 August 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Black Dice's good records: Beaches & Canyons, &" on gravity, Semen On The Sun, 7" on Vermiform

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Saturday, 21 August 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

whatare the good noizzzzze bands or perfromers

btw black dice s0 0v3rrated

― thorHmono (Thor), Sunday, 22 August 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Black Dice are the Backstreet Boys of noise

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Certainly I believe any performer who achieves even a modicum of celebrity has essentially surrendered crafting sound for sound's sake, pandering to the peanut gallery of insensitive brutes. What's next for Black Dice? Guest appearances by famous rappers grabbing the mic and keeping it real?

― Osmond G. Ristle (ogr), Sunday, 22 August 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

underrated noise bands & performers?

― brock (brock), Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
underrated noise bands & performers?

black dice in jane next month.

― brock (brock), Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Timbaland loves black dice

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

that's true. But then, he's probably never heard anything on Chocolate Monk or American Tapes.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

34. No Doubt

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

is black dice better than coldplay?

― Osmond G. Ristle (ogr), Sunday, 22 August 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

yes

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 22 August 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

only if you take the hair out of coldplay's attributes. charisma drops 5 points at leaST.

― brock (brock), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

AND GAWD chocolate monk is such a rad label. wish i had some warez to trade him instead of payin 10 bucks for a tape =(. i want that puke eaters cdr.

― brock (brock), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Black Dice are the Backstreet Boys of noise

So what is there to complain about?

― daria g (daria g), Monday, 23 August 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

beaches and canyons is just terrible.

― ddb (ddb), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

DO NOT QUESTION NU-NOISE CANON

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Monday, 23 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

b&c was okay i guess. i didn't keep it after i heard it. i like "creature comforts" better. it's like they just kept on moving further away from shit. "treetops" especially has more song structure than i'd ever imagine in a black dice song, yet it still sorta dangles like birds playing tom ze covers.

i still found a lot more thrill in a few mp3s i had when they were first putting their shit on the grill. that damaged post-hardcore shit that just devolved into unmanageable feedback noise was kinda thrilling on first contact.
m.

― msp (msp), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

ok, so what so bad about john dwyer/ocs?

i dont know OCS at all, but might be going to an OCS show tonite, in hoxton square. it is...bad noise?

― terry lennox. (gareth), Monday, 17 October 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

even tho pink and brown and coachwhips have their definite moments, i think ocs is the one dwyer project i actually like.

it seems the one most devoid of gimmick/schtick or something.

someone once described him as the tom cruise of the underground punk/noise/weirdo scene... it didn't sound like a compliment.

― msp (mspa), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

pink & brown had moments.. coachwhips had moments the first time i saw them when i was drunk/wasted one halloween back in the day. i have neither seen nor heard OCS.

i think dwyer is kind of a weirdo. calling him tom cruise is pretty close to the mark.

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

do you think i would like an OCS show?

― terry lennox. (gareth), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

I SAW OCS A WHILE BACK....IT WAS FUCKING STUPID.

― ddb (ddb), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

i saw an OCS show about a month ago and i really dug it. the melodies and structures were VERY 60s psych (and not in the Elephant Six twee way) but burried under a bunch of noise and weird effects.

i talked to Dwy3r a few days ago at a Dungen instore, and he's a complete dweeb. he was talking about being stoned like he was a highschool rebel.

― Mad SETI (jaxon), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

my main beef comes from when msp and i went to see wolf eyes at the hemlock (2002 or 2003?) and dwyer was standing behind me (kinda near the front) screaming into the ear of this girl next to him about how wolf eyes was his favorite band ever and then went on to scream about all of his great new sideprojects for about 20 minutes... all the while wolf eyes was playing.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

yeah... gygax otm. i was hoping you'd chime in.
m.

― msp (mspa), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

ok, ocs were pretty great. i really liked them, in a shimmy disc circa 88 kind of way

― terry lennox. (gareth), Monday, 17 October 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

HAHA. XPOST gareth, i heard you liked the show?

― Mad SETI (jaxon), Monday, 17 October 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

over soft kramer production, the sound of too many joints smoked?

― Luigi Russolo (Grodd), Monday, 17 October 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

kramer, yes!

blimey, that was quick, j! yes, very much so! and the dwyer guy seemed nice enough also.

― terry lennox. (gareth), Monday, 17 October 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

tell him the neighborhood is better w/o him!

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 17 October 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

Dwyer comes across as right jazzy twat in the LB vid.

― Mestema (davidcorp), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

But I can tell you that there are people on this board alone who have released stuff that eats with a spoon everything Black Dice has ever done.

Anyone know who Roger is talking about here? I want to hear it!

― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

― howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

AaronHz?

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Dr3w?

― Occam's Reznor (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

HIMSELF

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Thee Oh Sees (formerly OCS) is a duo consisting of John Dwyer (Coachwhips) and Patrick Mullins, both friends residing in SF, CA. It's is an unbelievable rare gift to see Dwyer stripped to an acoustic guitar and a collage of noise. Dwyer creates a more personal record that allows the listener to gain insight on the genius and inner workings of a modern leader in the underground music world. The melodies are beautiful, the songs as interesting if not more so than any of his other bands. A fan of any of his other projects will know that Dwyer's gonna mindfuck our heads good and proper. Just because Dwyer chose to put down his electric guitar and strum an acoustic, this can not be an "ordinary" singer songwriter, folk acoustic thing. In fact, OCS is as intense and soul grabbing as any band Dwyer's played in. The sonic layering, texture of sound and perfectly captured moods creates a completely original record.

― eman, Monday, 2 February 2009 02:06 (seventeen years ago)

i saw that dude last night after not seeing him out in a while. kept repeating to myself "i hate SF, i hate SF". his friend kyle rans0n had an art show at my friend's gallery (super rad stuff) and some of their friends performed. they told the owner it was going to be "gospel". the first track was really beautiful, spiritual, gospel inspired free jazz, and the other 2 songs were crazy firey freeblowing. pretty funny.

― (jaxon) ( .) ( .) (jaxon), Monday, 2 February 2009 07:19 (seventeen years ago)

reading this thread...you're all nuts.

― Creeztophair, Monday, 2 February 2009 15:34 (seventeen years ago)

I like the oh sees a lot but I mean that description

― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 2 February 2009 17:11 (seventeen years ago)

probably wouldn't even call them a noise band

― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 2 February 2009 17:12 (seventeen years ago)

I've been jamming some Hair Police lately; "Obedience Cuts" and "Rattler's Echo" are choice.

― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Monday, 2 February 2009 17:21 (seventeen years ago)

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