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1. harry pussy

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

2. Rufus Wainwright

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

3. Witicyst

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

4. Immaculate:Grotesque

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

5) JKAE

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

6. Tan as Fuck
7. White Mice

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

8. MAN IS THE BASTARD/BASTARD NOIZE/AMPS FOR CHRIST

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

MITB = OVERRATED

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

HOLY FUCK! YOU ARE SO DUMB!

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Amps For Christ is the shit.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

9) ALLEN RILEY

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

10. overrated noise bands or peformers?

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

11. von lmo "rediscovery" tour 1993

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

12. Anything Sonic Youth fans dislike.

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

13. MADAME CHAO

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

14. Dolphins Of The Forest

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

14. Flesh Parade

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

14. MADAME CHAO

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

15. The Molecules

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

16. First two Quintron albums before New Orleans ruined him.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

17. Mono Pause

18. Five Starcle Men

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

18. Hawkwind
19. Caroliner (who pretty much invented the visual aspect of the Providence scene).

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

20. Jimi Hendrix Experience -- the fucking intro to "Hey Joe" the trio did to piss off the host of a tv show they were on is freaking great.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

21. FREAKZONE

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

what's the deal with freakzone, jon? tell me.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

FREAKZONE:
Forcefield are the world's punkest fucking band right now
Bolt

I need to dig up my post about the last Forcefield video screening / Freakzone show...

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ahhhhhh!

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, when I saw them first, it was like 2 people making insane noise in huge paper mache costumes, spraypainting the walls, setting off fireworks in a tiny space, beer cans hurled everywhere, total fire hazard

second time = monkeys in castles, monkeys on motorcycle going off ramps, huge stuffed toy snakes, video projected everywhere, cardboard butterfly wings and rainbows, insane drum and bass

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmm -- i wonder if armageddon shop has anything.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

22. Ramleh/Skullflower/Total/Sunroof

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Doubtful

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

brinkman did put out a Freakzone CDR he'd probably be willing to trade. email him.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

23. earth

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

24. YES

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

25. Thrones

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

26. REPLIKANTS

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

27. OLNEYVILLE FUCKING SOUND SYSTEM

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll second dat.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

28. FLY ASHTRAY
soooo 1993 :-\

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

29. Angst Hase Pfeffer Nase/Barn Owl
30. Knifestorm

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

SKULLFLOWER. = D. SELZER O.T.M.!

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Skullflower is teh greatness. DDB WHY DOES YOUR TASTE SUCK ONE MINUTE AND RULE THE NEXT

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I WAS ABOUT TO ASK YOU TEH SAME THING IAN.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i blame teh ganja for my lapses in judgement.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

obv. RE:YES

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

obv! you scared the crap out of my yesterday, btw. it was the last thing i was expecting.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i was siked. like, shit i was just arguing about Yes with him 10 minutes ago and there he is!!

31. TEH EX
32. TEH VSS
33. GRAVITAR
34. SCISSOR GIRLS/LAKE OF DRACULA
35. MELT-BANANA
36. WORST CASE SCENARIO
37. DEAD C
38. SILVER APPLES
39. SHADOW RING
40. COCK ESP
41. BUNNY BRAINS
42. BEACH BOYS
43. BLOWHOLE
44. WCKR SPGT
45. TEMPLE OF BON MATIN

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

melt banana UNDERRRATED...??!??!

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't call Dead C/CockESP/Silver Apples/Melt Banana underrated at all! All are pretty well known and well loved! I, personally however, am bored by Melt Banana.

xpost

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

ddb, Dead C and Scissor Girls at the least aren't underrated, that's practically noise rock classics if you were buying music in the mid 90s.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

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THE SHADOW RING are underrated.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

TRUMANS WATER mk. I

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

shadow ring don't have any recs available do they?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

skullflower is underrated def.

HOW MANY PEOPLE AT A LIGHTNING BOLT SHOW EVEN KNOW WHO DEY ARE

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Julio I dunno but I've got everything sans one 7" so I could burn (but then again I never sent you that Borbeto stuff because I'm a lazy bastard).

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Trumans Water are not a noize band!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Neither is FLY ASHTRAY.

BUT THEY ARE AWESOME!

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

stencil- did you burn the borbeto stuff? I eventually got hold of most of it, 2nd hand or slsk.

part of underrated-ness is that some of this is just not available anymore. I have most skullflower but I know its mostly out of print. ditto mid-90s dead C and prob 'what was music?'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

half of the stuff on here is not noise per se. early trumans water is pretty fucking noisy all things considered.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I burned it, yeah. I think I made some Shadow Ring CDr for jack cole so if I can find it, I'll try burning another copy. I really need to get my shit together.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't consider any of the stuff I mentioned to be 'noise' or 'noise per se'. Then again genre def baffle me.

x-post: oh ok cool, if you can then do send anything. thanks.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I totally think the Skullflower camp is underrated. Especially Ramleh, who were doing power electronics in like 82, grew out of a sort of Whitehouse scene, and at some point when I was collecting all that stuff, they actually bypassed Skullflower in my book. I can't remember the name of the record but they have this one CD that is so weird and beautiful, I'll have to check. And Skullflower made this transition from Melvins sludge to pure guitar noise to really cool out there improv stuff, when they were playing with Simon Wickham-Smitha and Richard Youngs, who are geniuses but not really underrated. Like when Tim Hodgkinson would appear on a Skullflower record. But people don't really talk about Skullflower, and those were amazing records. There was that transitional period of Black Dice, post hardcore, pre whatever they do now, where I'd see them and swear to god they sounded like Skulfflower, circa Carved Into Roses. Just intense beautiful LOUD sheets of sound.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW, Sunroof!, Skullflower - POX please

The best Black Dice:

1) Beaches and Canyons
2) Semen of the Sun
3) Number #3

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I never did hear Ramleh, I don't think.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

47. PRINCE.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah 'carved into roses' wz my first skullflower and what an intro that was. They were improv-ish around 1990 actually when stefan jaworzyn wz playing with them and they always had elements of that (the keyboard playing on 'carved...' makes me think of sun ra).

Easily one of my fave bands from the 90s and one of the few I prob ranted quite a bit abt on ilm.

The thing is that most of their discog isn't available dan, so ppl can't check it out and rate it.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they went improv only after Stefan Jaworzyn left the band. Which I always found funny as he then went and did Ascension and Descension and some solo named stuff, which I always found totally unbearable. The interview with him in Crank Automotive however, is one of the most entertaining interviews I've ever read.

Carved Into Roses is right in the middle and was always my favorite. Bill from VHF told me he'd only put out the best stuff he was offered. I have 10 or so Skullflower CDs but it's been a long time. I'd recommend Carved Into Roses and probably This is Skullflower. I'll have to do a listening session.

From Total, I'd recommend most of them, Matthew Bower is really the master of solo guitar "noise". I really love Tanzmusiz der Renaissance, it's quite psychedelic/minimalist in it's own way. Beyond the Rim, Here Time Is Space are more guitar noise, Sky Blue Void is more drone.

http://www.monotremata.com/skull/

I'll look this over later and try to make sense out of it. There's also tons of side projects like Ax(not that great) and Blind Alley(pretty good.)

Basically, anything that came out on Freek Records was golden in my book, during college.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Hototogisu was kinda blah but liked the other set I saw Bower recently play with Marc Orleans.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

See ascension/descension are one of my fave bands but that's actually full-on 'european improv' (if you haven't heard it you would prob like it stencil). I kind of think of the second side of 'xaman' as some sort of sludge-improv. But its always something that's there - punkoids that liked jazz. I think they became more rock-like and argon was something I thought of as a tribute to the stooges...anyway, after he left I felt it got more structured.

I saw ascension live earlier this year (playing with noxagt) and it was fucking phenomenal, met stefan after and he's really great, great sense of humour. His scum list has some great writing abt this 'scum' noize stuff too.

That page is really great (hey, just checked it again and I'm on the credits!). For a POX I'd need to sit down with this stuff too.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I have an Ascension record. It reminded me of Blowhole.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(i read that interview in crank but I can't find it- have you got a link dan?)

x-post: never heard of 'em.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.steveswebpage.com/media/mov/scarysteven.mov

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

check 'em out esp. A Love Extreme.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Argon like the stooges? I remember argon being all reedy/droney. I remember all the Jaworzyn stuff as being post-melvins UK noise sludge. Most of the post-Jaworzyn stuff I remember as being more improvy, totally losing the earlier riffs and grind.

But Ascension to me was just boring improv guitar wankery. I got really mad when he put out a 10" that credited him as playing all these exotic instruments and I got excited thinking it'd be like that period Skullflower or Sun City Girls and thinking "if I buy this and find out that's a joke and it's just another record filled with guitar wankery, I'm never buying another record again without listening to it!"

I returned it the next day for 60% credit and bought a Higsons record or something.

But yeah, Jaworzyn is a GREAT writer. I don't have the Crank thing online but I know Marc who put it out through the internet, maybe I'll see if he has it typed up somewhere.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I listened to the new Comets On Fire on the way to work today. I poured out a little cereal in tribute to Ian.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Argon as a 'stooges tribute' yeah, i think so.

haha I think I have a record where he wrote the sleevenotes for, he made it sound like avant-garde 'refined' type stuff or whatever, but since I kind of knew the scum list by then I saw through it. As i recall it was an electronic type record with a bunch of sampled movies dialogues (I recognized some of it)! But the sleevenotes made me like it more as a record.

There's a diff between guitar wankery like you get in classic rock and what you might get in free improv. When I saw ascension stefan does play with amps/pedals as well as doing riffage -- that's a big thing with dead C etc., not so much riffing but almost bypassing the strings and playing with the amp -- just when it might have lost its way he would throw out this bonecrushing wave of sound, or some riff I've never heard before and keep you on yr toes. But above all he does allow tony irving to drive his playing too. They hadn't played live for five years but you wouldn't know it.

yeah let me know if you get that crank interview dan.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

listened to the new Comets On Fire on the way to work today. I poured out a little cereal in tribute to Ian.

Holla!

48. Pelt
49. THE SKATERS

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to go listen to argon. I just remember Tim Hodgkinson droning away.

I never saw the Ascension as being classic rock guitar wankery. I'd probably prefer that. No, I'm talking about exactly the kind of guitar wankery you get in free improv, and the way he does it on those records, I mostly don't find at all interesting. It's a rhythms thing. I prefer drones and tonality, or dissonance sustained to the point of tonality, if that makes sense.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

no one knows who the skaters are yet IAN WE Are BLESEDD....
btw best skullflower = Xaman by far dudes.

50. Unicorn Hard-On! her set blew me away a few nights ago

― brock (brock), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Xaman era Skullflower and later Skullflower are like 2 totally different bands. Apples and Oranges.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

51. Blowhole! parts of A Love Extreme were recorded at a skate park!

― Daniel DiMAGGIO (Daniel DiMAGGIO), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

ok dan I like both really.

As I recall there is lots of drones etc on argon, guitar/sax interplay, and its similar on funhouse, maybe the latter being more jazz and less droney -- I don't have a copy of funhouse but I'll check argon later.

(I quite like zappa's guitar playing but I'm not sure that's classic rock)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The last two Shadow Ring albums were released on Swill Radio from New England and are still available, btw.

Rudolph Grey is underrated.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yup, I did a blue humans thread on ilm abt a couple of years ago.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"here are some vinyl to computer conversions i did of six finger satellite's machine cuisine (i recommend hans pocketwatch if you had to choose one) and all of the early shellac 7"s (wingwalker i guess for this). enjoy while it lasts"

http://www.medeaconnection.com/miscmusic

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Thursday, 19 August 2004 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

SUPREME DICKS.

― ddb (ddb), Thursday, 19 August 2004 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

TEH COWS
THINKING FELLERS

― ddb (ddb), Thursday, 19 August 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

IKUE MORI

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

re: supreme dicks...like I said, everything on the Freek label is underrated. I LIVED for Freek in college.

I don't think Thinking Fellers are underrated, maybe underrated as a "noise" band but they're indie rock royalty in some parts.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Hands To
MO*TE

― Russ (Russ), Thursday, 19 August 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

what's MO*TE, russ?

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 19 August 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Hale Zukas
Crass

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Thursday, 19 August 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

gate
rafael toral

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 19 August 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

mmm, the Gate LP The Dew Line on Table was the best. Other releases didn't do it for me, esp the CD on Twisted Village, sold that one to Other. There was a good single on Twisted Village though.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

speaking of 1995-

Labradford

critical darlings then, totally forgotten now?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

dude Dan did you ever hear Metric or Amerika?

I remember Labradford. Carter gave me 2 Cluster records for free.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I heard Metric, don't remember. Def. not Amerika. I liked the poppiness of the Dew Line(and I'm using that term VERY LOOSELY) I remember thinking it was like Lee Ranaldo to the 100th degree.

I have fond memories for that period because that was probably when I was most aware of and into new stuff that was coming out. The Wire magazine, the Virgin Ambient Isolationsim comp. Labradford, Main, etc.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I have Amerika, it's rad. Metric might be my favorite one though.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

WINGTIP SLOAT

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

MO*TE (Fumiyuki Nagura):

http://www.noisemp3.com/artists/mote

MO*TE put out a number of great harsh / psychedelic noise tapes and CDRs, ran a cool label in Japan, took too many drugs, went to a hospital, and then completely dropped out of the "scene."
towards the end of his run, he was moving away from the harsh stuff, and exploring strange electronic textures.

http://stimbox.harshnoise.com/spasm/jpegs/tanon2.jpg

I put out a tape at one point (a split with "Kakera")...I think it was his final release.
thinking about reissuing it as a 1-sided LP...

― Russ (Russ), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

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